Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Mat Piscatella (NPD) - In the US in 2023, physical spending on software for Nintendo platforms accounted > 50%, xbox < 10% and PS ~ 40%
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HeWhoWalks
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DenchDeckard
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So physical is dead on xbox. Gamepass killed it.
What's the digital split to see how bad the overall view is.
What's the digital split to see how bad the overall view is.
splattered
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I haven't bought a physical Xbox game is many years. Well before game pass was introduced. I don't think GP killed it... People just finally getting used to the idea of digital media on a larger scale thanks to movie and music streaming apps. I have a big wall of physical Blu-ray movies and never touch them anymore, to be honest I wish I never bought any of them I can just stream them all now. Same with games really. After a while you realize it is all just taking up a lot of unnecessary space.
HeWhoWalks
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On Xbox, certainly. On Nintendo and PlayStation? I could see it go beyond the next Switch (particularly as the new Switch happens before the PS6).
SlimySnake
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the series s killed it. ms undershipped the series x for the first two years.
tkscz
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I'd say that and a mix of the Series S being digital only and much cheaper.
Punished Miku
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Series S, GP, Quick Resume, Cloud.
They won people over with incentives, and then followed the market this time after consumers reacted.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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Not when they still sell so much units of physical games.
PS Direct (their store) is always pushing for special editions and physical games in there. Sony is still interested in this and so is Nintendo because their consoles sell in a lot of countries with poor internet and people buy a lot of physical games in there. MS only really cares about the USA and UK...so they can get away with this.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I only buy new games on disc. If PlayStation ever dropped discs I'd just stop buying new games.
angrod14
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I agree. While I don't have a entire wall of BDs, I ended up filling a cabinet with them. It's a weight I don't want over me anymore. The saddest part is that they're worth next to nothing now.
I know some die hard collectionists that confessed even though their house looks like a Blockbuster, they still end up renting the movie they want to watch on streaming because they don't want to be dealing with discs.
Physical games are cool and everything, but once you start acumulating more than 50 or so it really starts to stop being fun and feel like a waste of space.
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angrod14
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I've said it and will say it again. UHD-BD is the last physical format, and it has already peaked. Once 200 gb+ games are the standard, people won't be bothering with 2+ discs. Cyberpunk already ships in 3 discs on Xbox.
It's the exact same scenario that happened on PC with the DVD. Sony will have no need to artificially cut physical releases, it will all come organicaly from the consumer habits.
It's the exact same scenario that happened on PC with the DVD. Sony will have no need to artificially cut physical releases, it will all come organicaly from the consumer habits.
Horseganador
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That Xbox has destroyed the physical format and soft sales on its platforms (you just have to look at the ratios in the multis...) does not mean that the physical format is dead as it tries to sell in an attempt at damage control, in Nintendo and PS it still has a lot of presence.
While I agree with you that's not necessarily apparent from this data. We don't have the physical total amount. What we can say though is that Sony physical sales aren't that behind Nintendo physical sales so the people trying really hard to say "Sonytoo but Nintendo won't" are dead wrong. Both Nintendo and Sony have similar physical sales whatever that may be.
Fake
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Can't understand why people here are pushing this ideia. Xbox is pretty much dead at this point in this regards, but just him.
Well, we do. At least in the recent leaks from Insominiac.
Gambit2483
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Exactly. I don't understand why some try to equate MS' (seemingly) deliberate annexation of physical on their platform to be "proof" that physical in general is dying out. Physical has a very strong presence in many overseas markets as well
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
I could see next gen sony still pushing the physical media mantra as they did with the ps4 how "sony supports used games, sonny supports no daily check ins, sony supports you owning your copy"
They could legit do the SAME speech to glorious applause again because they will be the alternative to what MS is doing and though people are purchasing more digital media, the option for physical is there
Punished Miku
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It's a pretty easy thing to understand though. I'm afraid to explain it though since it triggers people so hard. It's really just looking at the broader trends across every entertainment medium, and the incentives for the platform holders and their income, and then making a guess. You could also throw in some historical precedent of platform holders following one after the other (paid online, gaming subs, price increase to $70).
Topher
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Or you know you could just say the percentages mat? Probably would have required less effort and less text sheesh
He's a bit of an ass
DenchDeckard
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Or you know you could just say the percentages mat? Probably would have required less effort and less text sheesh
So what Is he trying to say?
What a stupid load of words
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Topher
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He's trying to say if you subtract 10 from 50 then you'll come to the approximate range of physical sales by percentage for PlayStation. But he's just got to be a dick about it.
He is saying his repeated use of the word physical looks weird but he's still scared somebody might think MS are doing this badly in game sales too.
It would have been more interesting to know the balance between digital vs physical of all platforms. Furthermore, these percentages only include games in physical format for sale when there are increasingly more games that are sold only in digital format.
It is clear that the income from digital games is higher than that of physical games. It means that that 10% on XBOX can be 5% of the total gaming revenue for MS.
And that the ~40% on PS can be 20-30% or even less of the total games revenue for Sony.
Switch is different in that the vast majority is physical game sales.
It is clear that the income from digital games is higher than that of physical games. It means that that 10% on XBOX can be 5% of the total gaming revenue for MS.
And that the ~40% on PS can be 20-30% or even less of the total games revenue for Sony.
Switch is different in that the vast majority is physical game sales.
DenchDeckard
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So ms aren't doing bad in game sales? And he's just not outright saying it?
What a strange man
Topher
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It isn't about overall sales. Just physical sales percentage by platform.
Or you know you could just say the percentages mat? Probably would have required less effort and less text sheesh
But it's as simple as changing the 50% that PS & XB made up & turning it to 100% which our brains automatically tell us to multiply by 2 so 40% becomes 80% & 10% becomes 20%
That's ignoring the " Less than 10%" part though
So you're telling me physical sales splits are for physical software
I am clear that you know perfectly well what I was referring to, but it is clear that you did not want to leave the opportunity to be picky and very joking when you stop quoting the rest...
Well, for the rest of you..... I meant that would be interesting to know how much income each company obtains from the sale of digital games (including digital-only games) vs. how much they earn from physical games.
It may not seem interesting to some, but for MS, Sony and Nintendo (in less quantity of course) what the digital games market as a whole generates in income vs what the physical format generates. It is an interesting index to know. Especially if you have to make strategy decisions based on that index.
All the best
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Dr.brain64
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Physical in north america may go away.
Outside of na? No way (nint/ps).
Outside of na? No way (nint/ps).
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Opinion - Game Pass is hurting day one software sales on Xbox could this push publishers & devs away from Xbox Scarlett or will they wait it out?
Right now Game Pass is hurting software sales on Xbox but if Microsoft is successful in creating the Netflix of gaming it could benefit games in the post physical media era when people are not willing to pay $60 for a download.
Ar¢tos
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It's not hard for Sony to move to 5 layers discs, since they make the drives and discs.
We are at 3 layers now (3 x 33gb), 4 layers won't make much difference (4 x 33gb), but 5 layers will double the current amount (5 x 40gb = 200gb), there are even 6 layer discs (6 x 50gb = 300gb).
angrod14
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Triple layer (100 GB) is the max the format is being produced, to my understanding. I haven't read anywhere the discs are able to hold more than three layers.
Ar¢tos
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4 layers exist, even at consumer level.
(https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Printable-Blu-ray-Recordable-archival/dp/B0CDKJDLFF)
5 and 6 layers never really took off, because of the Archival Disc being more suitable (300gb, 500gb, 1tb), but the Archival Disc is way too expensive for gaming.
I honestly don't see games going over 200gb, so 2 discs is the cheaper way of doing it.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Weird, Mat has deleted both tweets. I only managed to screenshot the first tweet. so I'll put that in the OP.
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devilNprada
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Ok someone please check my math for me.
Using this 10,40,50 %.. I quickly googled % of physical to digital for each respective platform. Just using what I found.
Xbox 72% Digital 28% Physical
PS 67% Digital 33% Physical
Nintendo no data but digital recently (2020 which was a covid year) passed physical so I used:
Nintendo 55% Digital 45% Physical assumption
Digital Sales % Total Sales%
Xbox 72/(1-10%) = +80 / 301.67 = 26.5% +10% = +36.52% /200 = 18.3%
PS 67/(1-40%) = +111.67 / 301.67 = 37.0% +40%= +77.02% /200 = 38.5%
Nintendo 55(1-45%)= +110 / 301.67 = 36.5% +50% = +86.46% = 43.2%
=301.67 =200
Feel free to point out any flaws in my reasoning....
Edit: when I save numbers don't align properly sorry
Using this 10,40,50 %.. I quickly googled % of physical to digital for each respective platform. Just using what I found.
Xbox 72% Digital 28% Physical
PS 67% Digital 33% Physical
Nintendo no data but digital recently (2020 which was a covid year) passed physical so I used:
Nintendo 55% Digital 45% Physical assumption
Digital Sales % Total Sales%
Xbox 72/(1-10%) = +80 / 301.67 = 26.5% +10% = +36.52% /200 = 18.3%
PS 67/(1-40%) = +111.67 / 301.67 = 37.0% +40%= +77.02% /200 = 38.5%
Nintendo 55(1-45%)= +110 / 301.67 = 36.5% +50% = +86.46% = 43.2%
=301.67 =200
Feel free to point out any flaws in my reasoning....
Edit: when I save numbers don't align properly sorry
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MasterCornholio
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It's alive its alive.
On Playstation and Nintendo at least.
On Playstation and Nintendo at least.
ZoukGalaxy
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Fake
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As usual. Don't go the way he want. Same shit every day with a Twitter user.
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