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[Zathalus]

Because Sony doesn't do that. PC is an afterthought, so it doesn't matter if sales are low.
They make a profit, tiny as it may be. Which is enough.

The argument is was that it wouldn't work for Single Player games.

It obviously would, same day single player releases would have far larger numbers on PC, the question is what would be the impact on the console revenue. I'm sure Sony's goal is to maximize both revenue streams as much as possible.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Doesn’t work for single player games

HFW bombed on PC

Only makes sense for GaaS titles

Launch game 2 years after the honeymoon period when public opinion has already soured on it, anemic sales but probably still decent ROI.

Launch game day and date, it sells significantly more on Steam and is popular in regions where nobody plays on console.

What lesson do you think they’ll take from this? Sony is beholden to shareholders not fanboy feelings.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Helldivers is officially the biggest PlayStation IP.

Spiderman, God of War, The Last of Us...step aside.

It's official.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What lesson do you think they’ll take from this?

That GaaS games that depend on day 1 viral communities is the right call

Has nothing to do with a SP focused strategy that is a staggered release allowing high quality console launches and better PC ports at a later date

 

[GigaBowser]

mort is true every games that come out now CONCURANT PLAYERS

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Helldivers is officially the biggest PlayStation IP.

Spiderman, God of War, The Last of Us...step aside.

It's official.

let me guess, you dis?:

 

[TintoConCasera]

Good news for the PC crowd, guess we'll be seeing more and more releases on our favorite platform.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Helldivers is officially the biggest PlayStation IP.

Spiderman, God of War, The Last of Us...step aside.

It's official.

7th….you mean?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

7th….you mean?

Nope. 1st.

3 months on the market, no price cuts, blazing past 10+ year old titles left and right. It's trajectory is peerless.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nope. 1st.

3 months on the market, no price cuts, blazing past 10+ year old titles left and right. It's trajectory is peerless.

It’s gonna slow down

 

[Killjoy-NL]

The argument is was that it wouldn't work for Single Player games.

It obviously would, same day single player releases would have far larger numbers on PC, the question is what would be the impact on the console revenue. I'm sure Sony's goal is to maximize both revenue streams as much as possible.

Sony won't do it though.
For the mere fact that it's killing Xbox.

They've repeatedly stated it and people using low sales for singleplayer later PC releases (and potentially more sales day 1) as an argument are completely ignoring the fact that PC is an afterthought that's being used to squeeze a tiny bit more revenue out of the PC demographic when revenue on consoles has pretty much dried up.

Edit:

GaaS is a different matter.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The argument is was that it wouldn't work for Single Player games.

It obviously would, same day single player releases would have far larger numbers on PC, the question is what would be the impact on the console revenue. I'm sure Sony's goal is to maximize both revenue streams as much as possible.

We don't want to compare the single player port sales to the PlayStation versions.

It won't work and will kill the brand(and quality of the games)in a similar fashion to xbox.

Gaas is a different story hence HD2 and Destiny 2's success.

 

[Three]

No shit It sold more on PC?? Maybe It's because they are more PCs in the world than PS5's??

That's actually not a given since this is US figures only where console does well. Once again though Matt's trying hard to push the PC angle with this release and not giving figures/splits. Even if we assume sales were 50/50 halving a game's sales can take it from 7th to 20th> in a chart easily. This stat doesn't even mean it sold more on PC.

 

[bitbydeath]

The real takeaway should be to price all their games at $40. They will then get more sales and with that, more money.

 

[gothmog]

The real takeaway should be to price all their games at $40. They will then get more sales and with that, more money.

I probably bought every game when it was like $40-$50. I wouldn't jump right back to it but I would probably buy a lot more day 1.

 

[willothedog]

Doesn’t work for single player games

HFW bombed on PC

Only makes sense for GaaS titles

There is near zero marketing for the PC ports. When PS Horizon was released remember seeing ads on the sides of buses/shelters and TV spots, the PC version? Even if the gap is a few months later it could still ride off the marketing campaign.

 

[clarky]

I mean HFW bombed because it's an older game, an iterative sequel, and it released next to Dragon's Dogma 2 that was more anticipated. They just sucked at picking release dates with that title, because the console version released next to Elden Ring.

It bombed because its not very good.

 

[feynoob]

Pc opening a market for Sony.

Gaffers: let go a head and act like children

Never change gaff, never change.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

What lesson do you think they’ll take from this? Sony is beholden to shareholders not fanboy feelings.

thats the point. I hear Xbox going day one with on PC accounted for the lost of 1/3 of consoles sales

Now. you could argue that PS is in a better position to succeed because they are not neglecting the console market. Im just saying.

 

[Topher]

thats the point. I hear Xbox going day one with on PC accounted for the lost of 1/3 of consoles sales

I think that's nonsense. Xbox lost 1/3 of their console sales because Xbox One was overpriced shit with one of the worst marketing pitches ever conceived for a console. Microsoft ported their games to PC after Xbox sales tanked.

 

[nial]

They didn't establish their GAAS day 1 on PC strategy years ago without expecting any of those blowing up on the platform.
This is hardly a big revelation for Sony.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I think that's nonsense. Xbox lost 1/3 of their console sales because Xbox One was overpriced shit with one of the worst marketing pitches ever conceived for a console. Microsoft ported their games to PC after Xbox sales tanked.

thats what I heard. But again, with Xbox, there is a lot of factors going on. I think it was not ONLY putting their games on PC day one. But also the lack of a game altogether.

 

[BennyBlanco]

thats the point. I hear Xbox going day one with on PC accounted for the lost of 1/3 of consoles sales

Now. you could argue that PS is in a better position to succeed because they are not neglecting the console market. Im just saying.

I would argue that what killed Xbox was years and years of boring software output, seemingly no marketing, and their whole console business revolving around a sub service that trained people to not buy games. If PC ports killed Xbox then where are their huge hits on PC that people left Xbox for? Their most popular games on PC are sea of thieves and AoE (a pc franchise).

 

[demigod]

The argument is was that it wouldn't work for Single Player games.

It obviously would, same day single player releases would have far larger numbers on PC, the question is what would be the impact on the console revenue. I'm sure Sony's goal is to maximize both revenue streams as much as possible.

Day and date on SP will never happen this or next gen. Piracy is still a thing.

Launch game 2 years after the honeymoon period when public opinion has already soured on it, anemic sales but probably still decent ROI.

Launch game day and date, it sells significantly more on Steam and is popular in regions where nobody plays on console.

What lesson do you think they’ll take from this? Sony is beholden to shareholders not fanboy feelings.

Good thing you’re not a shareholder or you’d kill the brand like ms did with xbox.

 

[R3TRODYCE]

Good, now put everything on pc day one.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

let me guess, you dis?:

Few know the pride one feels seeing the prophesy unfold before their very eyes. Helldivers marks the dawn of the new age!

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The agenda of this guy is so easy to read. Low-key Day One port-begging.

Not happening.

 

[feynoob]

Day and date on SP will never happen this or next gen. Piracy is still a thing.

I think it's better for you if you stop having faith in those guys.

Day1 is close and eminent. They are just waiting the right time to do it.

The age of console exclusive is dead. It's business people now and those guys want their stock up.

GHG isn't that right?

 

[Gaiff]

Sony won't do it though.
For the mere fact that it's killing Xbox.

People need to stop with this. What killed Xbox is a stream of mediocre games for over a decade. What, you think people would have flocked to buy Xboxes to play trash like Crackdown 3 if it wasn't on PC lol?

 

[Zathalus]

Day and date on SP will never happen this or next gen. Piracy is still a thing.

Piracy? If that is a concern just use Denuvo. Or just don't care and sell almost 20 million copies on PC like BG3.

 

[nosoynadie22]

I think Sony will wait 2 or 3 more years to start releasing their day 1 games on PC, they just have to make sure that Microsoft's next console is another failure

 

[Topher]

thats what I heard. But again, with Xbox, there is a lot of factors going on. I think it was not ONLY putting their games on PC day one. But also the lack of a game altogether.

Sure.....first party output was shit for Xbox as well. That's a nother big reason. Day one on PC? Nah....the PC ports of Xbox games did not start until three years after the console launched. Here's the article announcing Recore as the first game, dated September 2016.

Everything You Need to Know About Xbox Play Anywhere - Xbox Wire

This week’s launch of ReCore also marked the launch of Xbox Play Anywhere—a big day for Xbox gamers, everywhere. As an Xbox Play Anywhere title, ReCore (along with upcoming titles including Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3) is launching simultaneously on both Xbox One and Windows 10 PC, and...

news.xbox.com

So I get what you "heard" but it just doesn't make any sense.

I think it's better for you if you stop having faith in those guys.

Day1 is close and eminent. They are just waiting the right time to do it.

The age of console exclusive is dead. It's business people now and those guys want their stock up.

GHG isn't that right?

Hey man! Good to see you posting again!

 

[Gaiff]

Day and date on SP will never happen this or next gen. Piracy is still a thing.

Didn't stop Cyberpunk and a myriad of games from making a killing. That piracy argument belongs in the 90s.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sure.....first party output was shit for Xbox as well. That's a nother big reason. Day one on PC? Nah....the PC ports of Xbox games did not start until three years after the console launched. Here's the article announcing Recore as the first game, dated September 2016.

Everything You Need to Know About Xbox Play Anywhere - Xbox Wire

This week’s launch of ReCore also marked the launch of Xbox Play Anywhere—a big day for Xbox gamers, everywhere. As an Xbox Play Anywhere title, ReCore (along with upcoming titles including Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3) is launching simultaneously on both Xbox One and Windows 10 PC, and...

news.xbox.com

So I get what you "heard" but it just doesn't make any sense.

as i said in another thread. It's just a compounded effect of bad decisions, mistakes, and incompetence. Everything adds up at the end.

 

[Fabieter]

I think it's better for you if you stop having faith in those guys.

Day1 is close and eminent. They are just waiting the right time to do it.

The age of console exclusive is dead. It's business people now and those guys want their stock up.

GHG isn't that right?

They lost like 30b in value since they ported more and more of their games to pc. Those business people are on a run. And sony almost doesn't pay any dividends.

 

[Fabieter]

as i said in another thread. It's just a compounded effect of bad decisions, mistakes, and incompetence. Everything adds up at the end.

Sony is having alot of bad decisions aa well will probably end like Xbox tho.

 

[Gaiff]

They lost like 30b in value since they ported more and more of their games to pc. Those business people are on a run. And sony almost doesn't pay any dividends.

Gonna need a source for that, but funnily enough, Xbox hasn't had a steady supply of good games since around 2011. That might have a lot more to do with the financial woes than PC ports, don't you think?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sony won't do it though.
For the mere fact that it's killing Xbox.

They've repeatedly stated it and people using low sales for singleplayer later PC releases (and potentially more sales day 1) as an argument are completely ignoring the fact that PC is an afterthought that's being used to squeeze a tiny bit more revenue out of the PC demographic when revenue on consoles has pretty much dried up.

Edit:

GaaS is a different matter.

You mean you hope they won't, but in reality everyone knows where this is going in the future.

 

[feynoob]

They lost like 30b in value since they ported more and more of their games to pc. Those business people are on a run. And sony almost doesn't pay any dividends.

That was not the reason. Dont lie man

 

[Three]

Sure.....first party output was shit for Xbox as well. That's a nother big reason. Day one on PC? Nah....the PC ports of Xbox games did not start until three years after the console launched. Here's the article announcing Recore as the first game, dated September 2016.

Everything You Need to Know About Xbox Play Anywhere - Xbox Wire

This week’s launch of ReCore also marked the launch of Xbox Play Anywhere—a big day for Xbox gamers, everywhere. As an Xbox Play Anywhere title, ReCore (along with upcoming titles including Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3) is launching simultaneously on both Xbox One and Windows 10 PC, and...

news.xbox.com

So I get what you "heard" but it just doesn't make any sense.



Hey man! Good to see you posting again!

It was Quantum break in April 2016. I remember that's when I got rid of XB1

Quantum Break is coming to PC, too

Quantum Break is no longer an Xbox One exclusive - it's coming to PC, too.Remedy's video game / movie hybrid launches o…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

People need to stop with this. What killed Xbox is a stream of mediocre games for over a decade. What, you think people would have flocked to buy Xboxes to play trash like Crackdown 3 if it wasn't on PC lol?

Having exclusive products reinforces brand's value. Brand recognition is far more important than short-term sales. Besides, there's another problem: you can't sell games on console at 70-80 usd/eur and 50-60 on PC, besides PC free online versus console paid online. Too many disadvantages for console owners.

PC ports should only be approved on individual basis.

 

[feynoob]

For the mere fact that it's killing Xbox.

PC didnt kill xbox. Xbox killed itself. Stop deluding yourself man.

Only reason xbox is up is because of PC sales helping their brand.

Xbox lost badly because of the shitshow MS and Their upper management.

There shouldnt any reason for aaron to work there.

 

[feynoob]

Having exclusive products reinforces brand's value. Brand recognition is far more important than short-term sales. Besides, there's another problem: you can't sell games on console at 70-80 usd/eur and 50-60 on PC, besides PC free online versus console paid online. Too many disadvantages for console owners.

PC ports should only be approved on individual basis.

There is a market for both/ Consoles is for kids and 18+ years old.
PC on other hand requires significant investment.

Consoles would always have the upper hand.

 

[Topher]

It was Quantum break in April 2016. I remember that's when I got rid of XB1

Quantum Break is coming to PC, too

Quantum Break is no longer an Xbox One exclusive - it's coming to PC, too.Remedy's video game / movie hybrid launches o…

www.eurogamer.net

Fair enough. And it was in 2015 that sales of Xbox One were so bad that Phil Spencer announced that they would no longer be reporting sales numbers of the console.

Microsoft No Longer Cares To Tell Us How Many Xbox Ones It's Sold

Microsoft just announced the results for the first quarter of the fiscal year, and one particular statistic was plainly missing, how many Xbox Ones were shipped or sold during the time period. It’s been standard practice for Microsoft to give out those numbers every quarter, but this time...

www.forbes.com

 

[Fabieter]

That was not the reason. Dont lie man

Never said it was just that shareholders didn't have any benefits from it. Actually the last drop was because they couldn't hit their forecast of 25m and that forecast would be alot more likely with all games being full exclusive instead of timed exclusives so it's partly responsible for loss value.

 

[Gaiff]

Having exclusive products reinforces brand's value.

Maybe when they're good, but Xbox's exclusives haven't been good in over a decade. Mediocre and bad games will kill any brand, Doesn't matter if you port them to PC or not.

The PC ports were a response to an already failing brand. You guys are talking as if Xbox was doing great then suddenly started to falter when they started Day 1 PC games...no. The objective of the Day 1 PC port was to sell as many units as possible because Xbox alone wasn't cutting it.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sony is having alot of bad decisions aa well will probably end like Xbox tho.

Sony has the perfect disaster case in front of them. Are they smart enough to avoid that catastrophe or their mistakes, enabling them to have their cake and eat it too? i dunno

The only thing that I know is that in the last quarter, Sony published 4 successful games which were used to market their console (as you are supposed to do). and they have been clear with their messaging: GaaS day one.

 

[Fabieter]

Gonna need a source for that, but funnily enough, Xbox hasn't had a steady supply of good games since around 2011. That might have a lot more to do with the financial woes than PC ports, don't you think?

Well they couldn't hit their last forecast which was definitely more likely with all games being full exclusive to Playstation which resulted in a drop in value ( not all of the mentioned 30b tho).

 

[feynoob]

Never said it was just that shareholders didn't have any benefits from it. Actually the last drop was because they couldn't hit their forecast of 25m and that forecast would be alot more likely with all games being full exclusive instead of timed exclusives so it's partly responsible for loss value.

Except that is not the case.

There is a big shift right now, unlike in the past.

You have PC, Mobile and Console ecosystem at the same time. You need to have other invesment, because console business wont be sustainable if this continues for too long.

Sony is also facing huge cost production and long term cycle for their games. PC would be a bigger market for them to recover those sales during draught time.

 

[feynoob]

And once again, GZ SONY FOR THIS SUCCESS.

Hopefully they do more games like these and provide entertainment for us. I bought the game already on steam.

To the democracy.