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Namco release dates (Ridge Racer 6 = Fall 2005)
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WULFER said:
Gah, why are you spelling it "M$"... that's so annoying
I think the point is not to have an expectation either way, because you're bound to be disappointed. Just enjoy the games. Does Microsoft have a shot in hell to surpass Sony's PS brand? Of course. The best chance anyone has had for the past two generations, that's for damn sure. I'm just cautioning against jumping to wildly irrational conclusions based on what you wish happened rather than what has actually been announced. Plenty of Sony fans thought Sony would never lose Ridge Racer even though people hinted at it for months. Nothing is legitimately "safe" for either camp.
That is why I say - enjoy the games. Pass judgment when we actually know what's up.
Wulfer
Member
I give Sony and MS about a 50/50 shot right now (as much as we know)
Sony has the Playstation and the POWERFUL force that it is.
Probably more powerful hardware.
Sony inhouse (GT4 etc.)
market know how.
Blu-ray in the box.
MS has a postive base with Xbox. (could be better)
XBOX LIVE and the #1 online service.
MS inhouse holds it's own against Sony's.
Blockbuster Movie/game in Halo.
gained more 3rd party support than Xbox this time (success there)
Each company has something better or holds it's own atleast right now.
Sony has the Playstation and the POWERFUL force that it is.
Probably more powerful hardware.
Sony inhouse (GT4 etc.)
market know how.
Blu-ray in the box.
MS has a postive base with Xbox. (could be better)
XBOX LIVE and the #1 online service.
MS inhouse holds it's own against Sony's.
Blockbuster Movie/game in Halo.
gained more 3rd party support than Xbox this time (success there)
Each company has something better or holds it's own atleast right now.
The_Sorrow
Banned
The game won't do much in Japan as the Xbox brand is dead there IMO. I think it should have decent sales in America though.
PS3 will be number one worldwide next gen. This is a given.
MS needs to focus on doing better in Europe and Japan. North America too, but I think that is a given they will do much better in NA by launching first. If MS can double their userbase in NA and Europe and get 5 million in Japan that would be a big plus.
This would leave them around 25-27 million sold in North America
12 million sold Europe
5 million sold in Japan
They can reach 45-50 million sold with Xbox 360 I'd say that would be a great thing for MS. All these 60-70 million predictions for Xbox 360 are pie in the sky types.
MS needs to focus on doing better in Europe and Japan. North America too, but I think that is a given they will do much better in NA by launching first. If MS can double their userbase in NA and Europe and get 5 million in Japan that would be a big plus.
This would leave them around 25-27 million sold in North America
12 million sold Europe
5 million sold in Japan
They can reach 45-50 million sold with Xbox 360 I'd say that would be a great thing for MS. All these 60-70 million predictions for Xbox 360 are pie in the sky types.
WULFER said:
Objectively, based on only what we know, I wouldn't call it 50/50. I'd call it like 60/40. Of course this is entering subjective territory, so I hate to participate in this excersize... but what the hell.
I don't know why you mean by "MS has a positive base with Xbox. (could be better)" If it means what I think it means, this is one area where I'm really going to have to strongly disagree. The one area that Sony indisputably has a victory is in base. Nothing compares, it's not even in the same arena, league, sport. We're talkin' a 70 million console difference. Sony has mindshare, marketshare, pretty much everyshare. So in this lies Sony's biggest advantange, and the primary reason I think it's 60/40.
So let's break it down based on your criteria
PlayStation brand/base vs. Xbox brand/base - Winner Sony (1)
PlayStation 3 Power vs. Xbox 360 Power - Winner Sony (but will it be a big enough gap, will consumers be able to tell? I think not until the VERY end of next gen, which will be too late to make a difference). (1)
PlayStation 3 Online vs. Xbox 360 online - Winner Microsoft (no doubt. There's cavernous distances between Microsoft's plan and Sony's.) (1)
Sony First Party vs. Microsoft First Party - Winner Sony (this was a difficult one. For big franchises, it's Halo vs. Gran Turismo. I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that Halo edges out GT. I think where Sony wins is in its large array of other first/second party titles, which Microsoft really can't compete with yet.) (1)
Sony Marketing vs. Microsoft Marketing - Winner Tie (this was trouble for me. For one, Microsoft has more money. For another, Microsoft proved with Halo 2 they can turn something into a phenomenon with the right touch. Sony has had success, obviously, but I think often they rest on the power of their brand as opposed to the sort of in your face marketing that Microsoft has. Still, it worked so far...) (1-1)
Sony Launch vs. Microsoft Launch - Winner Microsoft (MS has first mover advantage. People seem to like to discredit this by saying it's a Dreamcast type event, but they ignore so many aspects of the reality of the situation. Launching first, I believe, will do wonders for the Xbox brand) (1)
Sony Price vs. Microsoft Price - Winner Undecided (We don't know the price of 360, we don't know the price of PS3. My GUT says PS3 is going to be way more expensive, though. Still, don't want to jump to conclusions) (0-0)
Sony Third Party vs. Microsoft Third Party - Winner Undecided (We simply don't know who has the edge until all the cards are on the table. Sony easily won this gen and last, but will the trend continue? Microsoft has money, will they spend even more to cement its position? Will Sony make sure it continues to forge critical partnerships to lead the brand into the future? Time will tell...)
Sony Territories vs. Microsoft Territories - Winner Sony (This is the big one, the hard one Microsoft has to overcome. Europe and Japan are overwhelmingly Sony territory with no indication that is changing. North America is the one Microsoft has to win. If they cannot win NA, it'll be impossible to even consider them winning Japan and Europe. And I think in NA, especially with first mover advantage, they have a great chance. Will it be enough to outsell Sony worldwide? I don't know, I doubt it. But does it REALLY matter who sells the most? Games, people!) (1)
I think what really gives Microsoft the 60/40 chance is the persistence. They are no mere SEGA, they have tons of money and they proved last gen they are willing to lose a fuckton just to stay competitive. This Thanksgiving will be an insane marketing rush, and it's important they maintain it into the PS3 hype rush. It's going to be an interesting race.
Wulfer
Member
Atleast your fair Amirox and I agree with you on your points so maybe it is 60/40 now until we learn the prices. I was giving Sony the edge on brand name and saying Ms needs to do better. I do think MS will spend more money in other areas since it didn't try to go insane on the hardware.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
We all know in Japan, its a given Sony will win there, but what I didn't know is that in Europe, the PlayStation brand is just as strong as in Japan...
I mean, in EU its 30M PSOnes and 25M PS2s sold vs. 5.5M Xboxen???
Sony owns Japan and Europe....
Of course, US is the one place MS could challange Sony but even here, Sony outsells MS too..
I think there is a 100% chance Sony will outsell MS in Japan and EU and a 75% chance Sony will outsell MS in the US next gen too...
I mean, in EU its 30M PSOnes and 25M PS2s sold vs. 5.5M Xboxen???
Sony owns Japan and Europe....
Of course, US is the one place MS could challange Sony but even here, Sony outsells MS too..
I think there is a 100% chance Sony will outsell MS in Japan and EU and a 75% chance Sony will outsell MS in the US next gen too...
jaundicejuice
Member
Kleegamefan said:
Yeah, it shows. RRV is such weaksauce compared to RRIV.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"Hi horny PS3'ers!
I'm going to eat this sumptuous X360 Ridge metaphor cake right now...
your cake of unknown quality _might_ be delivered at some as of yet undetermined future date. You may end up with NO CAKE.
at which time, I'll be eating an even BETTER cake.
love,
Honey Hotpants Xgirl"
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
DCharlie said:
"Hi horny PS3'ers!
I'm going to eat this sumptuous X360 Ridge metaphor cake right now...
your cake of unknown quality _might_ be delivered at some as of yet undetermined future date. You may end up with NO CAKE.
at which time, I'll be eating an even BETTER cake.
love,
Honey Hotpants Xgirl"
ROOFLES
Cormacaroni
Member
theREBELins
Banned
I didn't think Frame City Killer was coming out that soon - here's hoping it actually shows up for launch!
Udde
Member
DCharlie said:
"Hi horny PS3'ers!
I'm going to eat this sumptuous X360 Ridge metaphor cake right now...
your cake of unknown quality _might_ be delivered at some as of yet undetermined future date. You may end up with NO CAKE.
at which time, I'll be eating an even BETTER cake.
love,
Honey Hotpants Xgirl"
Funny, but if when the RR360 is released (X360's launch it seams) there's still no word of a Ridge for the PS3, any waiting PS3'er that loves Ridge will run and buy X360+RR IMO even if that means no real food in 2 weeks ^_^ That is if the RRcake is delicious, ofcourse.
Btw, Amir0x, I'm sure almost someone has seen the
thanks to your fantastic posts
In all honesty the biggest game Microsoft has going for them is Halo 3. People keep forgetting that next to GTA it sold more copies than any other game this generation. People get so excited about games like Ridge Racer and who knows what else, but this is Microsoft's biggest gun in the US and Europe. Ridge Racer 6 is just a franchise "filler". And it doesn't necessarily mean MS dished out truck loads of cash because it wasn't even announced for sure as an exclusive. I mean Capcom is bringing one of their biggest franchises to the 360 in RE5(which imo is bigger than RR) so Namco had to have put something on the 360. The PS3 is getting Tekken, Ace Combat is a given, so they had to put something nice on the 360. All this means is that OVERALL the 360 is getting more developer support, especially from Japan. But in my opinion, if Halo 3 comes out before GTA comes out for the PS3, it's going to help it out in Europe and US more than any other PS2 franchise released for it. Including FF.
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
I didn't know RR6 was coming to X360.
Well, congrats, Microsoft, you sold me on the new Xbox.
Give yourself a pat on the back.
Edit: I'm also looking forward to the Namco Battle Museum for PSP coming out this month. Can't wait.
Well, congrats, Microsoft, you sold me on the new Xbox.
Give yourself a pat on the back.
Edit: I'm also looking forward to the Namco Battle Museum for PSP coming out this month. Can't wait.
Red Blaster
Member
Exactly, RR appeals to a dedicated fanbase and not TEH MASSES. So I don't get why MS is FUCKING WITH TRADITION here. ARGH. *shakes fist*
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
I don't know, let's double check!Barnimal said:did someone say...chang3???
EDIT: OH right, I should type something relevant, let's see...
Where the hell is my Namco Classic Compilation? The one with Klonoa and the other Playstation games!
Sure, but RR64 released the same year as RR5. :/jett said:
Those games have been multiplatform since the very first installments. Hell, DOA didn't even debut on PlayStations for any of their releases.Solid said:didnt work with resident evil or dead or alive so i doubt people will jump ship over this.