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Naughty Dog release list of their 12 favorite games of the year
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E-Cat
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lmaaao
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For you maybe but I bought this day one
And this area is the last thing I remember
Because I never returned back to it, I probably got a little further but it's all so vague and uninteresting compared to the original were I wanted to know what happens next, but I just ended up doing other stuff like looking on my phone, the game just wasn't pulling me in like the first did.
I can see the improvements in gameplay so I ain't disagreeing on that.
but it takes more to drive you from start to finish than good mechanics.
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I’ll admit that’s the shittiest part of the game. But it shouldn’t take longer than an hour. Just drop the difficulty and skip any puzzles and you’ll be out of there in no time. The rest of the game is all linear with great gameplay and story. You should absolutely continue.For you maybe but I bought this day one
And this area is the last thing I remember
Because I never returned back to it, I probably got a little further but it's all so vague and uninteresting compared to the original were I wanted to know what happens next, but I just ended up doing other stuff like looking on my phone, the game just wasn't pulling me in like the first did.
I can see the improvements in gameplay so I ain't disagreeing on that.
but it takes more to drive you from start to finish than good mechanics.
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The Fuzz damn you!
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You complain about the list being safe, curated and by-committee, then lament the exclusion of a Harry Potter game?
Hero_Select
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Lmfao. With that story TLOU2 doesn't clear diddly squat XD
Soodanim
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Look friend, you're free to believe whatever you want.
Or ignore there's ND influence in every Capcom RE remakes (and before that, starting with Revelations 2 which could have been almost sued for plagiarism indeed, T Three ) and it's not even subtle or limited, to the point one could wonder how is even possible to pretend there isn't.
Saying RE2R (one of my favorite survival ever, a wet dream kinda game when it comes to game loop for me) was just RE7 in third person is, well, just not something I can agree with.
And there's nothing outlandish about it, Naughty Dog was heavily inspired by what Capcom did, and Capcom certainly couldn't ignore one of the most successful and better reviewed games ever (in a time they were struggling with the series and their games perception in general), inspired by what they did first while presenting many successfully delevoped elements.
And that's not my personal feeling only or something..
Resident Evil 4 wants to be The Last of Us and it’s getting creepy
Resident Evil 4 reimagines Capcom's classic survival-horror hit for PS5 and PS4 — although much of that reimagination looks like The Last of Us.www.truetrophies.com
It came straight from Capcom, if you remember the leaks which did the rounds because of "woke elements":
I just wish Capcom inspiration was limited to certain gameplay elements, atmosphere and production values however.. and not an inch more. Some think differently:
How Resident Evil 9's Story Could Mirror The Last Of Us
Resident Evil 9 could be like The Last of Us.screenrant.com
I'm sorry merely acknowledging this pisses off to no ends a huge percentage of this place, but I'm deluded into thinking present gaming history as it happens uncaring of what some people feel about "exclusive games" should be the proper course of action for a supposed "enthusiast" gaming Forum.
You're also free to believe whatever you want, but if you assert an opinion as a fact then people will respond. I was inclined to agree with T Three , because your base opinion didn't appear to be much more than "I prefer TLOU2 to RE4R". Then you doubled down.
1. Influence covers a lot of ground, and I think you're giving too much credit to single sources and as a result it all comes up short.
It does a disservice to both franchises to give that much credit to the other for what either is doing. Any dev is going to pay attention to what other games do right, that goes without saying. Shoulders of giants and all that. But that's not what you said. When you single out 4R as being a bootleg TLOU2 then post 10 clips that only showcase how the gameplay is vastly different and more appropriately compared to any number of other games, don't be surprised when someone disagrees with your opinions.
2. At no point did I say 2R was just 7 in third person.
Seriously, I didn't say even anything close to that. You focused only on a middle sentence and ignored everything around it. Context matters.
3. That TrueTrophies link is either a spoof article or the biggest load of shit I've ever read.
Either way, it doesn't deserve to be quoted as some sort of trusted source to make a point. Did you read any of it? I don't even know where to start with it, so I'll just say that if it's serious it looks at two games in a very small bubble and ignores anything outside of that - with ridiculous results like "4R copied the circular health bar HUD from TLOU2". Onion-lite is my hopeful guess without having read other pieces by that site/author.
4. The inspiration referenced in that Reddit link, as far as I can find at this point, is that Capcom used TLOU2 and Tomb Raider as examples of positive representations of female characters.
That Reddit post is a cherry pick of a cherry pick of a wider presentation about how Capcom wanted to change how it approached many different things, not how TLOU2 is their idol for gameplay. All it shows is that TLOU2 is one of two examples given regarding one unrelated aspect of game design. It confirms nothing except that Capcom are aware TLOU2 exists.
5. Not reading that Game Rant link, I'm not done with 8 yet.
I'm trying to avoid anything to do with late game events, but even from the tiny amount I read it's almost certainly your run of the mill content farm piece more interested in the search engine hits from referencing multiple franchises with some light fan-theory-crafting from a site whose YouTube channel is an endless mess of list videos. "Here's what could maybe possibly happen one day!"
6. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that odd last point was a general scattershot and not aimed directly at me simply for disagreeing with your opinion.
I'm not entirely sure what the sentence was supposed to say in the second half. But based on the first half, I can't imagine people view TLOU as a Resident Evil fan's shame. They just disagree, and perhaps take more issue with the delivery of the opinion. But that's just a guess - you'll have to ask one of the "huge percentage" that's pissed off to no end.
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Downloading now
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Best story in gaming only matched by RDR 2 and Bioshock, both of which dont have as good production values however
... Am I supposed to believe RE4 has a better story?
with a bland as hell ashley, a generic ass leon, and an even more generic villain? that plot screams VIDEO GAME story
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IlGialloMondadori
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Add me to the list of last of us 2 is boring and badly writtenFor you maybe but I bought this day one
And this area is the last thing I remember
Because I never returned back to it, I probably got a little further but it's all so vague and uninteresting compared to the original were I wanted to know what happens next, but I just ended up doing other stuff like looking on my phone, the game just wasn't pulling me in like the first did.
I can see the improvements in gameplay so I ain't disagreeing on that.
but it takes more to drive you from start to finish than good mechanics.
IlGialloMondadori
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As dumb as re4’s story is, last of us 2 is worse because the writers thought it was smart and well written.Best story in gaming only matched by RDR 2 and Bioshock, both of which dont have as good production values however
... Am I supposed to believe RE4 has a better story?
with a bland as hell ashley, a generic ass leon, and an even more generic villain? that plot screams VIDEO GAME story
Sushi_Combo
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Where tf is Starfield?
fersnake
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always wonder about it kinda get annoyed by it but at the same time im the first to laught at some silly post xD
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When it comes to story, TLOU 2 is 28 Days Later and RE4 is a C tier straight to DVD Zombie flick with a 20k budget.
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Vick
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Apparently it does not, at all:
Here explained to you by someone else:
And the reason why it didn't matter in the whole Thread, starting with
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reply and likely most agreeing with him, lies in this:But we can all pretend this isn't a thing. Makes no difference.
Couldn't manage to read the rest of your post as anything but a verbose equivalent of this:
As again, we can all pretend the two games don't share the base for the almost totality of gameplay mechanics, we can pretend Capcom didn't bordeline plagiarized TLOU with Revelations 2, we can pretend they only "are aware TLOU2 exists" when citing the game as an inspiration, or that said inspiration lies in the "examples of positive representations of female characters" only, or pretend discussions around certain games and Naughty Dog ones in particular are bias free..
Hero_Select
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No no no you were doing so well there for a while. What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
Revelations 2 "plagiarized" TLOU as much as TLOU "plagiarized" The Walking Dead and The Road.
TLOU1/2 have the same exact zombie/survivor tropes as the majority of games/movie/tv etc etc.
Anyway. Here's a cool gif of a game that's more fun and actually has an enjoyable story when compared to TLOU2:
Balducci30
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Re4 reminded me of the Last of Us 2, I’m surprised they didn’t put it. I think I might have even liked Re4 better
Vick
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Debating the obvious in here with you lot.. as pleasurable as stubbing your toe.
No no no you were doing so well there for a while. What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
Whatever guys you won, Capcom rules and Naughty Dog sucks. There never was a time when a game called Revelations 2 was released where two studios where simultaneously known by the entire Internet as CrapCom and Naughty Gods.
RE4R has better combat, animations, AI, stealth, companion etc. etc., there, bye now.
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Debating the obvious in here with you lot.. as pleasurable as stubbing your toe.
Whatever guys you won, Capcom rules and Naughty Dog sucks. There never was a time when a game called Revelations 2 was released where two studios where simultaneously known by the entire Internet as CrapCom and Naughty Gods.
RE4R has better combat, animations, AI, stealth, companion etc. etc., there, bye now.
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I attempted an exchange of ideas and you either can't or won't read. Don't blame anyone else for you not backing your point.Debating the obvious in here with you lot.. as pleasurable as stubbing your toe.
Whatever guys you won, Capcom rules and Naughty Dog sucks. There never was a time when a game called Revelations 2 was released where two studios where simultaneously known by the entire Internet as CrapCom and Naughty Gods.
RE4R has better combat, animations, AI, stealth, companion etc. etc., there, bye now.
You like TLOU2 gameplay more then 4R's? Great, no contest for that opinion, TLOU2 is worthy of praise.
4R likely took inspiration from TLOU2 stealth? Completely plausible and entirely likely, I never once contested that. I can't think of anything else that may have directly inspired it.
4R gameplay is largely a bootleg of TLOU2? That's a bold claim, and one you didn't back up.
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Yoboman
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Bro the game was ass except for the graphics
You use curated, by-commitee as a negative seconds before complaining the most curated, by-commitee designed game of the year isn't featured
EDMIX
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No RE4, no star wars.
FF16 and Starfield i can understand were flawed but what the fuck is wrong with Star wars or RE4? THAT is the kind of metroidvania they should be making as a first person studio. Cant believe they picked some indie games over those masterpieces in game design. GTFO with this bullshit indie worship.
I don't think anything is wrong with those games and shit even I forgot to list some of those games this year and its not like I hate them or something.
This might just be a situation where its a packed year and not everyone has all the time to go thru all the games (let alone a developer literally working on 3 games)
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he reduced his argument in the end as essentially people saying Capcom is better than Naughty Dog somehow.
Then says RE:R2 plagiarized TLOU with no backup and calls RE4:R a bootleg of TLOU2.
Fucking lol.
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No no no you were doing so well there for a while. What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
Revelations 2 "plagiarized" TLOU as much as TLOU "plagiarized" The Walking Dead and The Road.
TLOU1/2 have the same exact zombie/survivor tropes as the majority of games/movie/tv etc etc.
Anyway. Here's a cool gif of a game that's more fun and actually has an enjoyable story when compared to TLOU2:
The combat in Resident Evil 4 Remake is dated.
Stunning an enemy with either a head or leg shot and then pressing X to kick them is not nearly as satisfying as all the melee options available in TLOU2.
DrFigs
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it was smart and well written.
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A flashy anime ass action game and another fucking remake. the horror
Feel Like I'm On 42
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According to many Souls hardcore fans, Lies of P is truly incredible. I've played the first two areas and can def see how it is easily the most polished Souls like. Visually and mechanically for sure. Good variety of enemies.
Just saying it IS probably that game..
Feel Like I'm On 42
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One area Remake blows LoU2 away in is VARIETY. Glaring weakness of LoU2 is how there is TOO much of a good thing that it can become an issue. In thus case its the combat encounters. While the gameplay, ai and level design remain excellent you're still doing the same type of encounter in the first hour that you're doing 25 hours later. You know this is true man.
Re4 mixes it up. You're still primarily having gunfights but you're having to do them within a time limit, while riding on a mining track, while being bombarded by canons, while having to protect the girl, etc etc. They also mix in some non shooting stuff like when u play as Ashley. There are puzzles too unlike LoU2.
I love LoU2 but I hope they mix things up more next time.
GymWolf
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Not sure what is worse, tlou2 having best story ever or rdr2 not having as good production values when the game is the single player game with the biggest budget of all times before gta6 and a number of microdetails that trump tlou2 100 to 1 in a gigantic open world map...Best story in gaming only matched by RDR 2 and Bioshock, both of which dont have as good production values however
... Am I supposed to believe RE4 has a better story?
with a bland as hell ashley, a generic ass leon, and an even more generic villain? that plot screams VIDEO GAME story
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Synless
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I’ll give you FFXVI.
However there is a small fucking irony that ND, a company that has remade two of their games, one that released only last last gen, didn’t pick a game that has been critically acclaimed for decades and whose remake released to critical acclaim as well.
Toots
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I had "Only thing they'll release this year" but you were too quick
Toots
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I'll add that RE4 writers knew how camp their story and characters were and played with that, when lou2 writers seemed genuinely persuaded they were creating a masterpiece...
genesisblock
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"Lies of P" really?