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NPD Sales Results for May 2015

Yup, despite the insistence of the usual suspects I dont see Sony dropping the price by 100 this year. Happy to be wrong!

Mostly they don't drop instead they heavily bundle with games at 399 by adding 1TB as standard and we might see $50 discount promotions from retailers for the 500GB PS4 to clear the stock left instead of official drop.
 

Shin

Banned
Is there any reason that NPD to stopped giving actual sales number?
It's been a while like that for now, I enjoy reading about the numbers more than Z and X are #1, 2 and 3.
 

ghst

thanks for the laugh
"Splatoon sold 136,000 units in North America."

The 136K figure is for the USA only. Not North America.



"this leaker stated that the Wii U sold 42,000 in May."

42K is a calculated estimate, not a precise number.



"Obviously, this does not include digital sales in the country."

This is from NPD's physical retail report of new games. So it doesn't include used game sales either.



"Splatoon failed to make any sort of large sales traction on the hardware side."

Yeah, because it was only out for two days.


Jesus Christ. What a horrible article.

i can believe he'd stitch up nintendo like that by making splatoon seem like it had tepid sales which only gain any merit given the atrocious state the wii u is in.

i mean, he didn't even count used sales, people that played it on a demo unit or had a look at it on the shelf at a mate's house.
 
Sony will probably announce the 1TB PS4 at $400 and drop the 500GB SKU to $350 at E3. This will likely be the extent of their MSRP drops until Christmas 2016 (not counting any kick ass promotions at Christmas 2015).
 
For someone being extremely aggressive in telling people they're wrong to talk about overall contraction, I find these quotes strange;

MEh the consoles are way ahead of the previous gen it was going to hit saturation faster,....cannot say this at all. PS4 and x1 had a few low months last year to. Need to look at the big picture..if last gen sold this fast early on they would have slowed quicker and hit saturation at their price point faster.

Like... if the PS4 and Xbone have hit saturation point 1.5 years into their lifespans, there is literally zero chance of either of them selling anything close to their respective predecessors.
It's literally all downhill from here for them.

Consoles sell years after a new gen starts......like ps1, ps2 and ps3 still is. Ps2 sold millions after ps3 launched.

One of the problems people are talking about when others compare solely like for like PS3 -> Ps4 and X360-> Xbone is that the 360 and the PS3 aren't still selling decentish numbers, where last gen they were.

man who expects the wii u to actually have its fortune change? it's probably having its last full year in 2016 and that's when it's getting replaced.

Not specifically aimed at you, but general WiiU observation about what the NX might mean and what E3 might tell us about Nintendos future plans.

- NX is almost certainly a handheld platform of some sort. Whether longterm that means its first iteration is handheld and they are moving to a single account / hybrid system remains to be seen.
My best guess is a "third pillar" device, 7" tablet form factor, digital only (no disk or cartridge slots).

- NX is likely to debut at spaceworld in a Nintendo direct next year (possibly an E3 direct) for release next holiday WW.

- Given a platform launch is a major logistical undertaking, that puts the timeline for a home console WiiU succesor at 2017 at the earliest.

Here's where things get interesting.

- if E3 has nothing new for the WiiU, just gameplay and release dates for already known titles we know they've fully wound down on the WiiU. Would they have a console on the market for a year with no software support while waiting for the next one?
Sure.
They've done it before.

- If E3 shows the WiiU is still being actively developed for and new titles are announced - new non-eshop titles it means the WiiU is considered still a viable and profitable platform internally.
My supposition would then be that NX is actually already here, and WiiU is its first (relatively unsuccessful) iteration. Because the NX will run all WiiU titles and use all current WiiU account data, and it is worth continuing to support the WiiU, because every title developed now equates to a potential NX launch title.
At some point over the next 12 months the WiiU will get a firmware update that migrates NNIDs over to the new DeNA account system.
 
I think Sony will drop the price to 299 in October in order to derail Halo 5. They cutoff the head.

That would be the ultimate dick move, but not the final nail in the coffin.

Instead, better to drop to $349 for Halo and finally $299 for Gears. Halo is already a known quantity but Gears can still be something special.

I will pick up an additional PS4 for each official price drop if perfectly timed according to Halo's and Gears' launches.

Sony would be rewarded handsomely for proving to me unequivocally that they've come to win wars, not battles.
 
NPD threads are remarkable with the memories of sales from seven years ago. I would love to be in on those monthly meetings when those miniscule Wii U numbers are disclosed. Reggie was so full of it last gen. He's on that humble pie diet munching month in, month out. Same for Greenberg - I remember seeing him in pics on a bed with 2 blonde chick's and champagne - where is he now? Quiet as a mouse. That humble pie goes full circle - Sony ate it for years last gen. The pie has a lasting effect - read the PR. Everyone "humbled".

This is from way earlier in the thread but it gave me some hearty guffaws.

Anyway, that 43k for Wii U is truly abysmal. That system is flat lining, I'm not shocked Splatoon moved sweet fuck all for them.

Also PS4 numbers are weak but not terrible considering its a slow month and there was one major AAA game. I think Batman AK should help push to 250-300k worth of hardware. Price drop this year is necessary too.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
I mean, to me, 136k is not "a bomb" or whatever, but is it really much more than that? I understand all your confounding factors-- new IP, essentially comatose platform-- but you also have some important counterweights. First of all, the audience buying games on the WiiU is incredibly hardcore, as evidenced by Nintendo's core software sales across the platform this year and last year. Second, there was a very significant advertising push. The 136k sounded familiar to me and I couldn't place where. Then I remembered-- that's 3Kish worse than Heavenly Sword did in September 2007 when the PS3 was essentially a zombie. I don't think that got nearly the same caveats when people were talking about its US performance. You've also got digital, so there's that, but there are also more Wii Us than there were PS3s in year 1 so I'll just consider that even.

I think it's not a catastrophic number. It's not a Wonderful 101 number. But I don't really think it's a good number or an impressive number (I'm surprised CosmicQueso said that). Given Nintendo's strength on the platform, it's basically what you'd require of the title for it to not be considered destined for B-tier Nintendo IP land.

I get that it's "TWO DAYS" of sales but we have this discussion for games all the time. Excepting all but the genre titans, you've still got a really significant chunk of LTD sales in your first couple of days due to the way game releases work.
 
For someone being extremely aggressive in telling people they're wrong to talk about overall contraction, I find these quotes strange;



Like... if the PS4 and Xbone have hit saturation point 1.5 years into their lifespans, there is literally zero chance of either of them selling anything close to their respective predecessors.
It's literally all downhill from here for them.



One of the problems people are talking about when others compare solely like for like PS3 -> Ps4 and X360-> Xbone is that the 360 and the PS3 aren't still selling decentish numbers, where last gen they were.



Not specifically aimed at you, but general WiiU observation about what the NX might mean and what E3 might tell us about Nintendos future plans.

- NX is almost certainly a handheld platform of some sort. Whether longterm that means its first iteration is handheld and they are moving to a single account / hybrid system remains to be seen.
My best guess is a "third pillar" device, 7" tablet form factor, digital only (no disk or cartridge slots).

- NX is likely to debut at spaceworld in a Nintendo direct next year (possibly an E3 direct) for release next holiday WW.

- Given a platform launch is a major logistical undertaking, that puts the timeline for a home console WiiU succesor at 2017 at the earliest.

Here's where things get interesting.

- if E3 has nothing new for the WiiU, just gameplay and release dates for already known titles we know they've fully wound down on the WiiU. Would they have a console on the market for a year with no software support while waiting for the next one?
Sure.
They've done it before.

- If E3 shows the WiiU is still being actively developed for and new titles are announced - new non-eshop titles it means the WiiU is considered still a viable and profitable platform internally.
My supposition would then be that NX is actually already here, and WiiU is its first (relatively unsuccessful) iteration. Because the NX will run all WiiU titles and use all current WiiU account data, and it is worth continuing to support the WiiU, because every title developed now equates to a potential NX launch title.
At some point over the next 12 months the WiiU will get a firmware update that migrates NNIDs over to the new DeNA account system.
saturation at their current price....it's how it works. Then price drops and sales increase again.

The ps4 is 10 mill ahead of ps3.....of course sales some months for ps4 are lower. You cannot ignore that. 360 sold 10k may 2007....pointing this out only during low months is disingenuous at best. What will you say when ps4 has more months like March?


Your post makes no sense....you say ps4 is not selling decent numbers like last gen yet it is 10 mill ahead of last gens pace
....it is more then a front loaded launch as it has kept this PAce most months. People say this every slow month then oddly disappear during strong months...
 

Sandfox

Member
I mean, to me, 136k is not "a bomb" or whatever, but is it really much more than that? I understand all your confounding factors-- new IP, essentially comatose platform-- but you also have some important counterweights. First of all, the audience buying games on the WiiU is incredibly hardcore, as evidenced by Nintendo's core software sales across the platform this year and last year. Second, there was a very significant advertising push. The 136k sounded familiar to me and I couldn't place where. Then I remembered-- that's 3Kish worse than Heavenly Sword did in September 2007 when the PS3 was essentially a zombie. I don't think that got nearly the same caveats when people were talking about its US performance.

I think it's not a catastrophic number. It's not a Wonderful 101 number. But I don't really think it's a good number or an impressive number (I'm surprised CosmicQueso said that). Given Nintendo's strength on the platform, it's basically what you'd require of the title for it to not be considered destined for B-tier Nintendo IP land.

I'm guessing a lot of it comes from people saying that the game would bomb since it was announced,the W101 comparisons, and the whole thing about certain new Nintendo ips not counting for various reasons triggering people. The ip as a whole seems to be working pretty well for Nintendo so its going to be interesting to see both the legs of this game and what do with it next.
 
I get that it's "TWO DAYS" of sales but we have this discussion for games all the time. Excepting all but the genre titans, you've still got a really significant chunk of LTD sales in your first couple of days due to the way game releases work.

All good points - the Heavenly Sword number is particularly surprising - but I think it's worth looking to the first couple of weeks performance in Japan (particularly sell-through, and in comparison to other high-selling titles on the platform there) and considering that this *may* be one of those titles that doesn't blow its load in the first few days.

I think there's reason for cautious optimism about a significantly higher eventual LTD in Splatoon's case where there wasn't for something like, say, Bayonetta 2, where the pattern is clear - most of the sales early, slowing quickly to a trickle.

Worth watching though to next month at least, even while noting the debut was hardly explosive.
 
Skimmed last few pages, sorry if this has been discussed already and I missed it:

"May 2015 was a positive month for video game accessory sales, with dollar sales up 20 per cent. The top 5 accessory types: Interactive Gaming Toys; point cards; gamepads; headsets/headphones; and power supplies, all experienced year-over-year growth."

"Interactive gaming toy sales experienced stellar growth of 73 per cent in May 2015 as Nintendo's amiibo accessories led dollar sales for the first time since launch."

From gameindustry.biz

Does this mean that amiibo outsold Skylanders and D:I figures? And is that significant?
 

noshten

Member
I mean, to me, 136k is not "a bomb" or whatever, but is it really much more than that? I understand all your confounding factors-- new IP, essentially comatose platform-- but you also have some important counterweights. First of all, the audience buying games on the WiiU is incredibly hardcore, as evidenced by Nintendo's core software sales across the platform this year and last year. Second, there was a very significant advertising push. The 136k sounded familiar to me and I couldn't place where. Then I remembered-- that's 3Kish worse than Heavenly Sword did in September 2007 when the PS3 was essentially a zombie. I don't think that got nearly the same caveats when people were talking about its US performance. You've also got digital, so there's that, but there are also more Wii Us than there were PS3s in year 1 so I'll just consider that even.

I think it's not a catastrophic number. It's not a Wonderful 101 number. But I don't really think it's a good number or an impressive number (I'm surprised CosmicQueso said that). Given Nintendo's strength on the platform, it's basically what you'd require of the title for it to not be considered destined for B-tier Nintendo IP land.

I get that it's "TWO DAYS" of sales but we have this discussion for games all the time. Excepting all but the genre titans, you've still got a really significant chunk of LTD sales in your first couple of days due to the way game releases work.

I don't know for two days it's very good for Splatoon.

I think that by the end of the June it might be over 350k in the US alone. So I expect Splatoon to chart next month and be around 4th place in the NPD. The game has legs and loads of people like me bought it digital because of the DLC Plans/intally low disk space requirement. So I think we should get a statement from Nintendo by the end of June about Splatoon doing 1mil digital+physical WW.

This is not MK8 which sold a million in two days - but the 4th biggest launch on the Wii U across the world is a great performance for a new IP.
 

NotLiquid

Member
I mean, to me, 136k is not "a bomb" or whatever, but is it really much more than that? I understand all your confounding factors-- new IP, essentially comatose platform-- but you also have some important counterweights. First of all, the audience buying games on the WiiU is incredibly hardcore, as evidenced by Nintendo's core software sales across the platform this year and last year. Second, there was a very significant advertising push. The 136k sounded familiar to me and I couldn't place where. Then I remembered-- that's 3Kish worse than Heavenly Sword did in September 2007 when the PS3 was essentially a zombie. I don't think that got nearly the same caveats when people were talking about its US performance. You've also got digital, so there's that, but there are also more Wii Us than there were PS3s in year 1 so I'll just consider that even.

I think it's not a catastrophic number. It's not a Wonderful 101 number. But I don't really think it's a good number or an impressive number (I'm surprised CosmicQueso said that). Given Nintendo's strength on the platform, it's basically what you'd require of the title for it to not be considered destined for B-tier Nintendo IP land.

I get that it's "TWO DAYS" of sales but we have this discussion for games all the time. Excepting all but the genre titans, you've still got a really significant chunk of LTD sales in your first couple of days due to the way game releases work.

I don't think the Heavenly Sword comparison works here like, at all. That had roughly two and a half weeks of tracking as opposed to Splatoon which only had two days of tracking. If the head of Nintendo Canada is to be believed, they said they consider the current results to be "extraordinary" which is about the most direct statement we can have on how they're factoring the current performance. There's not really two ways around this one.

Nintendo games aren't particularly frontloaded, especially when you consider the (anecdotal admittedly) statements that many people would buy the game after more content rolls in. The legs should show pretty decently this month..
 
The ps4 is 10 mill ahead of ps3.....of course sales some months for ps4 are lower. You cannot ignore that. 360 sold 10k may 2007....pointing this out only during low months is disingenuous at best.

Disingenous at best is comparing the market loser last gen with the market leader this gen.
Compare PS2+PS3 last gen to PS4 + PS3 this gen if you only want to discuss the market in terms of brand loyalty.

You're also an order of magnitude off on your 360 sales figure.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Skimmed last few pages, sorry if this has been discussed already and I missed it:



From gameindustry.biz

Does this mean that amiibo outsold Skylanders and D:I figures? And is that significant?

It's talking about dollar sales, not unit sales, so it's uncertain if amiibos outsold the other NFC toys units-wise, but it seems they were the biggest accessories in terms of money generated the past month. So, yeah, that's positive for Nintendo indeed.
 

Jigorath

Banned
Horrible hardware numbers. PS4 needs a price drop and the WiiU needs to get taken behind the shed. XB1 needs to go buy a lot more 3rd party exclusives.
 
Disingenous at best is comparing the market loser last gen with the market leader this gen.
Compare PS2+PS3 last gen to PS4 + PS3 this gen if you only want to discuss the market in terms of brand loyalty.

You're also an order of magnitude off on your 360 sales figure.
Yeah because comparing it to Wii makes sense......it is ahead of 360 by a lot . Wii was a phenomenal come on. Nothing will ever do Wii numbers.

Second fastest selling console equals bad then I'll take bad.
 

Sandfox

Member
It's talking about dollar sales, not unit sales, so it's uncertain if amiibos outsold the other NFC toys units-wise, but it seems they were the biggest accessories in terms of money generated the past month. So, yeah, that's positive for Nintendo indeed.

The power of Lucina!
 

Jigorath

Banned
I hope Sony doesn't wait until the holidays to have a price drop. It needs to happen like right the fuck now judging by these numbers.
 
Disingenous at best is comparing the market loser last gen with the market leader this gen.
Compare PS2+PS3 last gen to PS4 + PS3 this gen if you only want to discuss the market in terms of brand loyalty.

You're also an order of magnitude off on your 360 sales figure.

The market leader this gen is handily outperforming the market loser last gen. Disregarding the Wii phenomenon, it's also outperforming the 360. There is simply no denying that.

Just a few months ago people were praising the PS4's performance Jan-March. Now consoles are dead. I'll never understand.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I get that it's "TWO DAYS" of sales but we have this discussion for games all the time. Excepting all but the genre titans, you've still got a really significant chunk of LTD sales in your first couple of days due to the way game releases work.

The info that we got until now (Japan second week in the 1st place with over 90% sell-through and Wii U HW actually increasing, UK holding the 3rd position and 50% drop in the second week compared to usual 70-75% drop, Germany holding 2nd position in the second week) hint for at least a good performance in the second week, if not "Nintendo legs" for Splatoon. That means the game should at least sell well past beyond the first two days up until the second week.
 
The market leader this gen is handily outperforming the market loser last gen. Disregarding the Wii phenomenon, it's also outperforming the 360. There is simply no denying that.

What, so our benchmark for success next gen is beating the WiiU this gen?

zIYYXQX.gif


This is what you are arguing.
That the Blue line is "doing better" than the Red line is.
 
150k NPD for the market leader is terrible. It needs a price drop. It needs a big price drop.

In one of the slowest months with only one major release the month before a limited edition console bundle and a regular console bundle with one of the most anticipated games of the year?

That's not terrible; it's to be expected.
 

wachie

Member
The market leader this gen is handily outperforming the market loser last gen. Disregarding the Wii phenomenon, it's also outperforming the 360. There is simply no denying that.

Just a few months ago people were praising the PS4's performance Jan-March. Now consoles are dead. I'll never understand.
It's always black and white.
 

Jigorath

Banned
In one of the slowest months with only one major release the month before a limited edition console bundle and a regular console bundle with one of the most anticipated games of the year?

That's not terrible; it's to be expected.

It is terrible. 150k for the market leader is terrible. It needs a price drop and I'm not sure why anyone disagrees with that. Sure it'll get an uptick in June with the Batman bundle but then it'll promptly collapse in July.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
360 had numerous months at 150 and it dominated the US. People are overreacting. Where were these posts in Feb and march?

I can't explain again what happened in the second part of 360's life that made it sell better than the first half, and that is an highly unusual phenomenon, that can be repeated that easily, alongisde its looong lifespan. Someone else, do it for me. ZhugeEX, I summon you to do it! Vena, you instead post that damn Wii U Only All-Time eShop Chart, for splatting reasons. That's my command.
 
What, so our benchmark for success next gen is beating the WiiU this gen?

zIYYXQX.gif


This is what you are arguing.
That the Blue line is "doing better" than the Red line is.

I'm not arguing anything because there's nothing to argue. I'm simply stating that both consoles are outperformimg their predecessors. Sales figures are what they are. All the charts in the world don't change that. Now, who knows what the future will bring? But right now? There's no cause for alarm. Like, at all.
 

panda-zebra

Member
It is terrible. 150k for the market leader is terrible. It needs a price drop and I'm not sure why anyone disagrees with that. Sure it'll get an uptick in June with the Batman bundle but then it'll promptly collapse in July.

Well then you get to come back in another 2 months time and ignore people's opinions once more. Looking forward to it.
 
What, so our benchmark for success next gen is beating the WiiU this gen?

zIYYXQX.gif


This is what you are arguing.
That the Blue line is "doing better" than the Red line is.
Wtf...it is beating everything except a record breaking phenomenon. ..which collapsed faster then any market leader after....Wii was something entirely different...if you have to use the Wii to say something is selling bad then lol.
 

Jigorath

Banned
Well then you get to come back in another 2 months time and ignore people's opinions once more. Looking forward to it.

Sorry that I think the market leader should be doing better than the third placer last gen. Clearly my expectations are far too high. 150k is great is what I meant to say. Sony should not do anything at all.
 
I can't explain again what happened in the second part of 360's life that made it sell better than the first half, and that is an highly unusual phenomenon, that can be repeated that easily, alongisde its looong lifespan. Someone else, do it for me. ZhugeEX, I summon you to do it! Vena, you instead post that damn Wii U Only All-Time eShop Chart, for splatting reasons. That's my command.
And why can't ps4 sell better once it gets cheaper? Heck we ate only now getting current gen only games...unless you have a crystal ball? Ps4 sales are not going to keep dropping. .....rhey will rise with more gamed s and price drops like you know every gen ever.
 
It is terrible. 150k for the market leader is terrible. It needs a price drop and I'm not sure why anyone disagrees with that. Sure it'll get an uptick in June with the Batman bundle but then it'll promptly collapse in July.

I agree; I think it's time for a price drop. The time is right. But you need to look at sales as a whole. As I said, just two months ago everyone was shouting about how nothing stops this train. Now there's a slow month.......ONE slow month......and welp, it's dead Jim. This simply isn't the case. And of COURSE sales will drop in July. It's a month with no major software releases following a MAJOR release, a limited edition console, and a new bundle. No one could POSSIBLY expect sales to increase in July.
 
I'm not arguing anything because there's nothing to argue. I'm simply stating that both consoles are outperformimg their predecessors. Sales figures are what they are. All the charts in the world don't change that. Now, who knows what the future will bring? But right now? There's no cause for alarm. Like, at all.

The problem is people phrasing this in terms of:
PS4 + XB1 versus PS3 + 360 last gen, which is ridiculous.

Even if you accept the ludicrous claim that all Wii sales last gen should be excluded because reasons, what you should be comparing is:

[GC+PS2+XB+PS3+X360] versus [PS3+X360+WiiU+PS4+XBone]
because that represents the market.

Wtf...it is beating everything except a record breaking phenomenon. ..which collapsed faster then any market leader after....Wii was something entirely different...if you have to use the Wii to say something is selling bad then lol.

jesus christ that graph doesnt represent the wii, it represents sustained sales versus burst.
 
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