gregor7777
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Jackson said:
I saw them on another forum but I think they got pulled for some reason.
Halo 2 was still selling like 50k. Crazy.
EDIT:
Can I post the link?
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NPD Sales Results for September 2007
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I saw them on another forum but I think they got pulled for some reason.
Halo 2 was still selling like 50k. Crazy.
EDIT:
Can I post the link?
That statement was in the context of "if PS3 had the same tie-ratio and sold as much hardware as the Wii, it would have pretty good software sales." I was making the point that it's not the tie-ratio in itself that makes the PS3 software sales bad, it's the very low hardware sales.Leondexter said:
Uh, Wii and PS3 have virtually identical tie-ratios in the US. (Completely excluding Wii Sports.) Wii also has a better tie-ratio worldwide. That is, Wii has a solid tie-ratio that combined with the massive hardware sales equal great software sales.Leondexter said:
GarthVaderUK
Banned
GhaleonEB said:
Ah, thanks for the explanation
Randy Lanzarote
Member
Jackson said:
It was discussed a few pages back, or at least the links were posted.
From the figures that sonycowboy supplied in the software prediction thread, it would seem that Ve3d's charts were a hoax. No Stranglehold listed for 360, no Warhawk for PS3 and the numbers for MySims were wrong as well. I wouldn't trust them, they look fake.
So yesterday I decided to build a time line of the various SKU/Price changes that Microsoft and Sony have made so far this generation, in North America, out of curiosity It seemed like they've been coming hard and fast. Did a little quick googling and was rather bewildered. This was for my own amusement, but I briefly considered starting a thread to discuss where things could go from here. However, I generally don't like doing starting threads. So here's the time line. Not strictly related to NPD per se, but I thought it might be interesting to some; I'm going to add the release notes to my spreadsheet. (Probably some errors/omissions but I tried to be complete.)
08-17-2005 - 360 Launch SKU's Announcement
11-22-2005 - XBox 360 Released in the US
05-08-2006 - PS3 Launch SKU's Anouncement
09-21-2006 - 20 GB PS3 Confirmed to have HDMI Included
11-17-2006 - PS3 Released in US
03-27-2007 - Elite 360 Announcement
04-11-2007 - 20 GB PS3 Officially Discontinued
04-29-2007 - Elite 360 Released
07-08-2007 - 80 GB PS3 Announcement, 60 GB Price Drop
07-11-2007 - Halo 3 Edition Xbox 360 Announced
08-06-2007 - 360 Price Drop Announcement
08-07-2007 - 80 GB PS3 Released
08-07-2007 - HDMI in Premium 360's Found, Subsequently Announced
09-16-2007 - Halo 3 Edition of Xbox 360 Released
10-08-2007 - 360 Holiday Bundles Announced
10-18-2007 - 40 GB PS3 Announcement, 80 GB Price Drop Announcement
10-18-2007 - Arcade 360 SKU Announcement
08-17-2005 - 360 Launch SKU's Announcement
11-22-2005 - XBox 360 Released in the US
05-08-2006 - PS3 Launch SKU's Anouncement
09-21-2006 - 20 GB PS3 Confirmed to have HDMI Included
11-17-2006 - PS3 Released in US
03-27-2007 - Elite 360 Announcement
04-11-2007 - 20 GB PS3 Officially Discontinued
04-29-2007 - Elite 360 Released
07-08-2007 - 80 GB PS3 Announcement, 60 GB Price Drop
07-11-2007 - Halo 3 Edition Xbox 360 Announced
08-06-2007 - 360 Price Drop Announcement
08-07-2007 - 80 GB PS3 Released
08-07-2007 - HDMI in Premium 360's Found, Subsequently Announced
09-16-2007 - Halo 3 Edition of Xbox 360 Released
10-08-2007 - 360 Holiday Bundles Announced
10-18-2007 - 40 GB PS3 Announcement, 80 GB Price Drop Announcement
10-18-2007 - Arcade 360 SKU Announcement
Version 3.0
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Jokeropia said:
I know. I'm saying that if the PS3 had good hardware sales, it wouldn't necessarily have the same tie ratio. It could be higher or lower. Or it could be the same as the Wii, which means people would bicker about whether that's amazingly good or atrociously bad. You'll see both argued in this very thread.
speculawyer
Member
gregor7777 said:
Speaking of the unspeakable charts . . . WTF happened to Stranglehold?!?! It released on the 360 in Septmber right . . . not in the Top 50? So it sold less than 20K or so? How did it tank that bad? Not a single Midway title in the Top 50. Holy crap they are in trouble.
speculawyer
Member
pswii60 said:
And the Wii is clearly the runaway success story . . . but if you look closely, it just doesn't move nearly as much software as it does hardware (Wii consoles & Wii Play/controller bundles).
Very interesting generation.
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sangreal said:
Wow isn't the word to use......
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
hahahaha now THAT is some awesome PR shittalk
You could look at it the other way, as well. MS didn't initiate their first move, the Elite aside, until a few weeks after Sony cut. Right now there's not a lot of pressure on MS from Sony - but I think that will change. If the PS3 really gains traction this holiday at $400 I see a lot more back and forth positioning in 2008 as well. Sony is clearly cutting more given their sales, but I think next year will be a pretty fierce fight.pswii60 said:
HOLY...that's stone cold PR, right there.sangreal said:
gregor7777
Banned
sangreal said:
David Denis noted he had to take a smelly shit...and decided to do it at Sony's house.
AdventureRacing
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GhaleonEB said:
Hopefully this is the case, it will force them both to work hard to compete with each other. This can only be good for consumers.
Psychotext
Member
Woah... MS taking some pointers on how to talk in the console wars! :lol
speculawyer said:
One of the guys at work compared the Wii and Wii Sports to the Telstar system. You buy it. It comes with pong and a gun game that you select with a switch. And that's it. Most people I know have one game for the Wii. Wii Sports. A few have Zelda and Metroid Prime 3.
This will all change with SMG however.
speculawyer
Member
David Dennis said:
Someone also noted that both the Wii and the 360 sold more in September than the PS3 did in entire quarter consisting of July, August, and September combined. (And that includes the increased sales bump when the PS3 had its first price cut.)
speculawyer
Member
That doesn't help the 3rd party software makers much though.watership said:
But as many have said, they really need to make better software if they want better sales.
WTF happened to platformers? I think I'll have to start another thread with that rant.
gregor7777 said:
Ugh, why does anybody sort these lists by $ instead of units? Kinda makes it useless since you can have "Title A" sell more than "Title B", but Title B be ranked higher because it costs more. It also makes it more difficult to tell the real top 10 since it's possible for a game to not make the top 10 because a higher priced game that sold less copies bumped it off (for example, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition would have to sell two copies for every one copy that a full priced game sold).
speculawyer
Member
TJ Spyke said:
Well. . . they have a spreadsheet and with a single click they can re-sort based on units.
But as said above, it is the money that really matters. Title A v. Title B is fan-boy talk.
And be grateful for what ever improperly leaked data you get!
frankthurk
Member
speculawyer said:
Odd, Resistance isn't in the top 10 PS3?
Personally, I think how they adjust for Wii software works pretty well right now. While Wii sports packin hurts Wii's ratio, Wii Plays helps it. So in they end they even out.
So people that complain Wii Sports should count should be happy Wii Play does count and people that complain Wii Play shouldn't count should be happy Wii Sports doesn't count.
Speaking of crazy tie ratios does those Burger King games count for the 360?
So people that complain Wii Sports should count should be happy Wii Play does count and people that complain Wii Play shouldn't count should be happy Wii Sports doesn't count.
Speaking of crazy tie ratios does those Burger King games count for the 360?
gollumsluvslave
Member
This is a great thread!
First a couple of observations:-
Wii is still selling because it is an extremely popular novelty for some people, especially ones that need to keep up the joneses.
There is a seriouly large amount of Satuday night Wii Sports parties going on - but other than that Saturday night the console sits unused.
The Wii IS a paradigm shift, and it most definitely has a different audience. The amount it is selling is proof of the paradigm shift, and the poor amount of software it sells is proof that it is a party-piece to be pulled out at the weekend.
Where the PS3 is just now is just shit, I really hope the price drop helps.
First a couple of observations:-
Wii is still selling because it is an extremely popular novelty for some people, especially ones that need to keep up the joneses.
There is a seriouly large amount of Satuday night Wii Sports parties going on - but other than that Saturday night the console sits unused.
The Wii IS a paradigm shift, and it most definitely has a different audience. The amount it is selling is proof of the paradigm shift, and the poor amount of software it sells is proof that it is a party-piece to be pulled out at the weekend.
Where the PS3 is just now is just shit, I really hope the price drop helps.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
speculawyer said:
I always compare the Wii to a board game. It gets whipped out for some cool multiplayer action every now and then by alot of users. The Nintendo hardcore are the ones that use it often.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Jackson said:Drawn to Life made DS top 10
If that number is right, that's huge. A 46,000 unit first month pretty much guarantees a minimum of 75-100k lifetime, ESPECIALLY considering that Drawn to Life has broader appeal than a lot of games and handheld titles tend to rack up more catalog sales.
Congrats!
Ok, this topic is awsome.
Over half of this month's NPD-thread is derailed by dellusional Sony-fanboys.
So Wii didnt sell software?
Well, it certainly sold 500.000 units of WiiSports. A real game, like anyone knows who played it for more than 30 minutes.
Also, i love these contradicting fanboy-arguments. So on the one hand Wii is the crappy non-gamer system, that only casual-gamers buy (those, who only buy the console as a WiiSports machine), on the other hand trolls in here bitch about the sales of Metroid Prime 3, a hardcore game, as hard core a game can get. All that while MP3 is on course to surpass even the first MP-entry, even though one could have thought that after MP2 people would completely ignore the franchise.
After all is said and done, instead of bad-mouthing the Wii because of the MP3-"bomb", people should hope that the game sells more with time coming, just like they did with, you know, Bioshock. But Bioshock had the advantadge of not being released on a Nintendo-system, yeah, i know.
And then we have these XBox-fanboys, that call Reggie and idiot for saying, Halo 3 isnt a system-seller. Well, lets take a look at the sales numbers. XBox360 soll 200k units more than usual, thats certainly impressive, no doubt. But Halo 3 sold 3.3 million units. Three Point Three Million! With that amount of sold software you´d like to think that it´d have had moved a lot more hardware. Halo 3 was a system seller for a few people, but it certainly wasn THE system seller that one would have expected it to be, and Reggie was one of them.
At the end of the day, we have great numbers for Xbox360, Wii, Halo 3 and Metroid Prime 3. Some may spin the facts, but this is what they are. The only competitor you can bitch about is Sony. Bad software sales, really bad hardware sales. I dont tell you to do this, but its utterly annoying to see people spin the facts to bitch about something that just isnt bad, when some other things ARE indeed bad. NPD, or what i´d like to call it this month, "SpinAge"
Over half of this month's NPD-thread is derailed by dellusional Sony-fanboys.
So Wii didnt sell software?
Well, it certainly sold 500.000 units of WiiSports. A real game, like anyone knows who played it for more than 30 minutes.
Also, i love these contradicting fanboy-arguments. So on the one hand Wii is the crappy non-gamer system, that only casual-gamers buy (those, who only buy the console as a WiiSports machine), on the other hand trolls in here bitch about the sales of Metroid Prime 3, a hardcore game, as hard core a game can get. All that while MP3 is on course to surpass even the first MP-entry, even though one could have thought that after MP2 people would completely ignore the franchise.
After all is said and done, instead of bad-mouthing the Wii because of the MP3-"bomb", people should hope that the game sells more with time coming, just like they did with, you know, Bioshock. But Bioshock had the advantadge of not being released on a Nintendo-system, yeah, i know.
And then we have these XBox-fanboys, that call Reggie and idiot for saying, Halo 3 isnt a system-seller. Well, lets take a look at the sales numbers. XBox360 soll 200k units more than usual, thats certainly impressive, no doubt. But Halo 3 sold 3.3 million units. Three Point Three Million! With that amount of sold software you´d like to think that it´d have had moved a lot more hardware. Halo 3 was a system seller for a few people, but it certainly wasn THE system seller that one would have expected it to be, and Reggie was one of them.
At the end of the day, we have great numbers for Xbox360, Wii, Halo 3 and Metroid Prime 3. Some may spin the facts, but this is what they are. The only competitor you can bitch about is Sony. Bad software sales, really bad hardware sales. I dont tell you to do this, but its utterly annoying to see people spin the facts to bitch about something that just isnt bad, when some other things ARE indeed bad. NPD, or what i´d like to call it this month, "SpinAge"
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
The PS3 numbers are even worse once you factor in the 5 week month. They would have been sub 100k numbers if it were only for 4 weeks. I don't even think the Gamecube sold that poorly.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
donny2112 said:
For some odd reason, I imagined a PS3 and a gamecube staring menacingly at each other while playing "Dualing Banjos".
GarthVaderUK
Banned
The 360 usually sells over 300K per month? Halo 3 stops selling now confirmed?
gollumsluvslave
Member
So all the people that were saying that Halo 3 wasn't a system mover and 360 would sell <400k this month are now saying that it wasn't a system mover because it actually went over 500k, which was , at least last month heresy around these parts?
No big bump for 360 cos all the Halo fans have already got one!
Any one that thinks that Halo 3 is not a system seller is deluded.
No big bump for 360 cos all the Halo fans have already got one!
Any one that thinks that Halo 3 is not a system seller is deluded.
Maxwell House
Member
Yep, as it turns out, the GTA IV hurt the PS3 way more than it did the 360.Brak said:
PS3 is really needing a marquee title for this Christmas. I don't think R&C is it, even though it is a nice game and will be fun to play. It just doesn't have the sort of hype a game needs to drive system sales, and it is a platformer (a dying breed).
Uncharted has a chance to be PS3's big hit this fall, if it reviews really well. It will be interesting to see how that title turns out.