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Peyton Manning is a pretty big piece of shit: A Shaun King expose for NY Daily News

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Sane_Man

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If this is true, he's an absolutely horrible and shitty person. This is why I generally advise people not to look up sports personalities. They're almost always pampered, self-serving, 'roided up, cheating assholes. Which is why the bickering about whether this makes Manning better or worse than Newton or Brady or anyone else is hilarious. They're all shitheads. Matters of degree don't mean anything when your entire head is made of shit.

However, I am somewhat surprised at OP. He has a stated bias against Manning, which is fine. But I've come to expect more level-headed posts from him than this. Since when is a tabloid (which the NYDN is) report, written by someone who took the accuser's lawyer's statements and turned them into "news," considered fact?

Does being innocent until proven guilty mean nothing in the court of public opinion? Or is the feeling of a torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other just too inviting to ignore? I'm curious about how many people in this thread jumping on Manning can also be spotted in the Making a Murderer thread, dutifully defending a man (Steven Avery) who was convicted by a jury of his peers of murder because they think the police and the witnesses who helped get that conviction were lying. Because people lie all the time to serve their own needs. Do they not see the irony here?

All this isn't to say that Manning is innocent. I don't know that. None of us do. But unless he was caught red-handed or fesses up or some strong evidence is put forth, I'm not going to shit on him. I'll give him the same treatment I would any person in this position.

I get that there are sports rivalries to consider and people want to feed into that. Hell, if people want to say he's a shitball for how he stormed off the field after losing the Super Bowl against the Saints, I'll absolutely agree. I shat on Newton for acting how he acted and I shat on Manning for what he did too. It was childish. And stupid.

But until I know that what the NYDN is reporting is fact, I can't hate the man for it. It's not fair.

We go over this time and time again. It's actually painful how often this has to be said... We can make our own judgements based on the facts presented to us. Someone is 'guilty' when it's decided in a court of law, and to find this verdict a strong weight of evidence has to (hopefully) be presented against the defendant. The justice system is weighted this way to prevent miscarriages of justice.

None of this stops us individuals from looking at the facts and making our own minds up. Just like OJ killed his ex-wife, Cosby raped a bunch of women, and so on. Or that Steven Avery's trial was a sham.

Manning put his ass and balls on the poor woman's face. He didn't even deny it himself and his reasons for doing so are laughably ridiculous. I'm not going to pretend that I don't think he did it just because he's never been found guilty of it. It's such a stupid notion to self-censor yourself like that. And this argument only seems to be used by people trying to defend someone they like.

The Manning defenders in this thread (and I don't really include you because at least you show some balance) are pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Trying to undermine the article because it's written by a black man and labelling it some kind of 'race bait' piece is really really shitty. Especially when these allegations have been around for years and the actual extent of what happened isn't even debatable.
 

rjc571

Banned
Looks like there's more to this story coming... unless Peyton calls in a favor to Don Archie to have Shaun King silenced.
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In his freshman year, Peyton Manning committed a MAJOR violation at the University. His attorneys forced it to be redacted in our documents.

Shaun King Verified account
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Dr. Jamie Naughright was the one who caught Peyton Manning in this violation his freshman year. That's the ROOT of every problem they have.


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I believe we will be able to release the redacted portion of the court documents as well. I've discovered what that was about. Deep & ugly.

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
It's incredible how media doesnt give a shit about this, yet Cam Newton standing up and leaving is So offensive and treated as an apocalyptic event.
Cam committed over of the worst crimes against humanity: he stopped talking. It's clockwork how easily they condemn refusing to talk. Drop your balls on a women and they don't care.
 

thefro

Member
http://www.wthr.com/story/31219107/...ons-on-the-daily-news-story-on-peyton-manning

Bob Kravitz (Indianapolis Sports columnist), responds

Bob Kravitz said:
There are several issues here.

For one, the document that the writer, Shaun King, cites is a 74-page “Facts of Case’’ document that was written by Naughright’s lawyer in order to make the case against Manning. It is, by definition, a one-sided document; that’s why she’s paying a lawyer to make her case and make it stick. Maybe it’s true that Manning did more than simply moon a teammate in the locker room that day; maybe he did, in fact, stick his naughty bits in Naughright’s face, which would be a reprehensible act that goes far beyond playfulness. But you have to remember, this is her lawyer’s document.

We never saw the other side of the story, Manning’s side, which would be in a document written by his lawyer.

That was never revealed in this story, nor was there any noted attempt made to reach out to Manning or Manning’s representatives for comment.

It may be that Manning did something truly awful when he was in college, but what we were offered in that Daily News piece was a decidedly one-sided view of the issue.

The fact also remains, Naughright never filed charges against Manning for the alleged act – only she can fully explain why -- and only went the legal route when Manning’s book alleged she had a “vulgar mouth’’ and painted her in an unflattering light. She sued for defamation, and it was settled out of court.

I’m not going to sit here and say that it surely didn’t happen. I’m also not going to sit here and say that it definitely happened. Again, we were offered just one side of the story in the Daily News piece, which was written to illustrate the double standard we sometimes apply to black athletes (in this case, Cam Newton) versus white athletes (in this case, Manning).

There’s this notion that Manning has held himself up as some kind of holier-than-thou demi-god and has used that reputation to make mega millions as a corporate pitchman.

I would take issue with that.

Manning has never, at least to my knowledge, attempted to make any kind of case that he is morally and ethically superior to anybody. He has not spent his life attempting to tell people how to live their lives, has not worn his religion on his sleeve. If fans want to believe that he’s some holier-than-thou athlete who’s above reproach, that’s their choice. But in all the years I’ve known Manning, he’s made it clear, at least to me, that he’s made missteps in his life, just as we all do.

If Manning was selling me on a lifestyle, if he was Tim Tebow or someone like that, I would find these latest “revelations’’ quite concerning and hypocritical. But he’s not selling me on a lifestyle. He’s selling me credit cards. He’s selling me pizza. He’s selling me just about everything there is to sell in today’s market.

The people of Indianapolis know the truth: He’s no saint. I’ve had scores of tweets and emails suggesting that he wasn’t faithful to his wife during his early years here. How do we know what goes on inside that marriage? How do we know that they didn’t have something of an open marriage? More to the point, how do we know for sure that any of those rampant rumors were true?

My feeling is, I don’t care one way or the other.

Not a bit.

Nor should you.

The people who know Manning best know that he’s not much better than the rest of us. Remember that hilarious United Way skit he did for Saturday Night Live? You know who came up with that idea? Manning’s brother-in-law. It’s a source of some humor within the Manning camp that he’s been propped up as a cross between Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.

But I will say this, too: He’s done so many good things for people, so many things you’ve never heard about, it would make your head spin. He may have screwed up badly in the Naughright case, but he has spent most of his public and private life doing good works. Some of them have been widely reported. Most have not. On balance, yes, I would say that Peyton Manning is a very good person. And if that makes me part of the whole Indianapolis butt-kisser’s club, so be it.

If he had a bad moment – and it’s possible this occurred the way Naughright’s lawyer suggested it did – he has, on balance, had exponentially more good moments. I’ve never felt you judge someone based on one of the worst, if not THE worst, moment of their lives.

Unless, you know, they murdered someone or did something else that could be deemed unforgivable.

Again, this happened 20 years ago, when he was still a teenager. It was settled 13 years ago. And everything you may have read in the Daily News piece came from a source who was specifically paid to make the case against Manning. Until I get a chance to read Manning’s side, or hear from Manning or his representatives, I will suspend final judgment – to the degree that’s really necessary after all these years.
 

RS4-

Member
Wow. "I don't care... Nor should you." Okay, Bob.

Yeah seriously. Fucking ridiculous.

And that story a few years back about those football idols, God's, whatever the fuck people call them, that raped the two girls. That whole cluster fuck continues to be one of the worst things I've read the past few years.

Unbelievable.

And the defenders when that thread popped up, oh man.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Looks like there's more to this story coming... unless Peyton calls in a favor to Don Archie to have Shaun King silenced.


https://twitter.com/ShaunKing?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
I was kinda wondering what the redacted incident would be, if they allowed in the testicles and rectum on the face bit.
 

rjc571

Banned
I was kinda wondering what the redacted incident would be, if they allowed in the testicles and rectum on the face bit.

Lets try our luck at handicapping! What violation was Peyton accused of in his freshman year but later redacted?

Accepting money/endorsement offer - 4:1
Hate crime against women - 4:1
Hate crime against gays/other minorities - 5:1
Illegal steroid use - 6:1
Eligibility violation - 8:1
Rape - 12:1
Murder - 20:1
Lewd acts involving a Papa John's pizza - 25:1
Letting 0.2 PSI of air out of a football - 30:1
Place your bets ladies and gentlemen!
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
Florio (PFT) basically goes in on Shaun King (Florio is a lawyer by trade) about the whole thing

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-down-in-his-crusade-against-peyton-manning/

On Monday, after being fairly and extensively criticized for essentially taking a piece of advocacy and assuming that everything in it was completely true, King has published a highly defensive follow-up to his original item in which he claims that the characterization of his work as “one-sided” is an “egregious misrepresentation of what we released,” and that “it causes me to sincerely question the motives of anyone who says such a thing.”

Frankly, King’s second column causes me to sincerely question the intelligence or motives of King, and of his editors.

The best evidence of King’s failure to understand the legal process or deliberate disregard of it in his latest #longread on the matter comes from the portion of the article in which he bastardizes a snippet of a ruling from Judge Harvey A. Kornstein denying an effort by Peyton and Archie Manning to dismiss the defamation lawsuit filed by Naughright.

This is one of those moments where I remember how inadequate I felt when getting into this business because I had no journalistic training (and it showed), and how I later wondered how inadequate I would feel in this business if I had no legal training. King and his editors either have no legal training, no access to a lawyer, or no sensitivity to when a lawyer needs to be consulted for explanation or elaboration. Judge Kornstein’s words mean only that a jury could have found that the Mannings acted with malice, not that they definitely did. If Judge Kornstein believed the Manning definitely acted with malice and that no reasonable jury could have found otherwise, he would have entered what lawyers call “summary judgment” in Naughright’s favor on that point.

King’s loud insistence that Judge Kornstein actually and affirmatively found “clear and convincing evidence” of malice isn’t surprising, since it props up the flawed assessment of the document that King crafted on Saturday, and on which King has now doubled down. He has taken the criticism directed at him very personally (which is always a mistake), and he is now desperately groping for a silver bullet to prove that anyone who would question his work or his motives should have their own work or motives questioned.

To the trained eye, King’s work and motives should be questioned, and his failure (accidental or deliberate) to understand that key passage from Judge Kornstein’s ruling proves it not just with clear and convincing evidence, but beyond any and all doubt.

Florio basically pointing out that King has no idea what the hell he's actually talking about w/r/t the judge's comments.
 
1. It's not old news, because he continues to not address it, so the offense continues to today

2. He's never been punished for it. This is not some incident where he did something, got caught, and paid his debt. He's never paid anything for this, so even if this is old, he should be held accountable at some point, right?

There was apparently a settlement in 2003. Both parties are apparently bound by a confidentiality agreement, so the terms are unknown. The plaintiff agreed to the settlement, should not the injured party under these civil circumstances be afforded the right to determine the nature and appropriateness of a punishment?

As an aside, this is also why we are quite unlikely to ever hear from the parties ever again on this matter in anything other than generalities.


We go over this time and time again. It's actually painful how often this has to be said... We can make our own judgements based on the facts presented to us. Someone is 'guilty' when it's decided in a court of law, and to find this verdict a strong weight of evidence has to (hopefully) be presented against the defendant. The justice system is weighted this way to prevent miscarriages of justice.
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Manning put his ass and balls on the poor woman's face. He didn't even deny it himself and his reasons for doing so are laughably ridiculous. I'm not going to pretend that I don't think he did it just because he's never been found guilty of it. It's such a stupid notion to self-censor yourself like that. And this argument only seems to be used by people trying to defend someone they like.

It is important to note the facts as you believe them to be are based entirely on the briefs and motions of the plaintiff. It is your prerogative, of course, to believe as you see fit, but to put complete faith and trust in what a plaintiff states prior to cross-examination and the sunshine of the open court is dangerous and unwise and often, but not always of course, the road to being hoisted by your own petard.
 

TriniTrin

war of titties grampa
Here in denver, they could give two shits about this stuff! Amazing Peyton got em a super bowl. They all want him to sit naked on their faces!

Goes to show fans dont really care about a players character in the end!
 

Tom Nook

Member
Here in denver, they could give two shits about this stuff! Amazing Peyton got em a super bowl. They all want him to sit naked on their faces!

Goes to show fans dont really care about a players character in the end!

Maybe they're too high to care.
 
One thing that is Suspicious is apparently there is a signed affidavit by the victim that matched peytons story back when the incident happened back in 1996?
 

JaseMath

Member
Wasn't there a counter-argument saying that Manning was mooning another player in the locker room when this happened and the trainer blew it way out of proportion?
 
Wasn't there a counter-argument saying that Manning was mooning another player in the locker room when this happened and the trainer blew it way out of proportion?

And the player Manning said he was mooning wrote a letter to Manning saying "you know that isn't what happened so why you still fuckin' lying about this, man?"

It's been discussed quite a bit in the thread, and is directly referenced in the article.
 
Not sure I 100% believe this. Her legal counsel wrote that 74 page report, obviously they are going to go in. Everything I've seen of Manning is 100% class act.
 

rjc571

Banned
Here in denver, they could give two shits about this stuff! Amazing Peyton got em a super bowl. They all want him to sit naked on their faces!

Goes to show fans dont really care about a players character in the end!

He was the worst QB in the entire league last year (aside from, like, Johnny Manziel). All he had to do to win the SB was make sure his wounded ducks landed harmlessly on the turf rather than get picked off, and let his defense and running game do the rest.

Wasn't there a counter-argument saying that Manning was mooning another player in the locker room when this happened and the trainer blew it way out of proportion?

Which the player then denied in a letter to Peyton in which he implored him to come clean.

Not sure I 100% believe this. Her legal counsel wrote that 74 page report, obviously they are going to go in. Everything I've seen of Manning is 100% class act.

Like blaming all of his teammates/coaches/waterboy/everyone but himself whenever he throws interceptions that cost his team the game amirite
 

JaseMath

Member
And the player Manning said he was mooning wrote a letter to Manning saying "you know that isn't what happened so why you still fuckin' lying about this, man?"

It's been discussed quite a bit in the thread, and is directly referenced in the article.

You're right. The quote in question is...

"Peyton, you messed up. I still don't know why you dropped your drawers. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe not. But it was definitely inappropriate. Please take some personal responsibility here and own up to what you did. I never understood why you didn't admit to it...."

Yikes. Nevermind.

I'm sorry but I personally don't really give a shit and really doesn't change my view of Manning. I've done my fair share of fucked up and illegal shit in my past about 11 years ago, and Manning is almost a decade older than me and this was what, 20 years ago? I don't condone his past actions, and if he really did that then it's fucked up. But I also understand people change. I'm not the same person I was 11 years ago...hec I'm not even the same person from 3 years ago. The timing of this becoming big news right after winning the SB just seems a little fishy to me.

Also this. Though the book defamation is a little much, I'm going to call Archie Manning on that one.
 
I'm sorry but I personally don't really give a shit and really doesn't change my view of Manning. I've done my fair share of fucked up and illegal shit in my past about 11 years ago, and Manning is almost a decade older than me and this was what, 20 years ago? I don't condone his past actions, and if he really did that then it's fucked up. But I also understand people change. I'm not the same person I was 11 years ago...hec I'm not even the same person from 3 years ago. The timing of this becoming big news right after winning the SB just seems a little fishy to me.
 
All this drama surrounding Peyton ought to make us reevaluate who the media is pushing as a "villain" versus the players they want us to think are "wholesome and great". If Im a Pats fan, Im offput about the character assassination the media's been doing on Brady this entire time, while they give Manning a massive pass.
 
I'm sorry but I personally don't really give a shit and really doesn't change my view of Manning. I've done my fair share of fucked up and illegal shit in my past about 11 years ago, and Manning is almost a decade older than me and this was what, 20 years ago? I don't condone his past actions, and if he really did that then it's fucked up. But I also understand people change. I'm not the same person I was 11 years ago...hec I'm not even the same person from 3 years ago. The timing of this becoming big news right after winning the SB just seems a little fishy to me.

You could chalk it up to a immature mistake if he and his family didn't then proceed to smear the alleged victim every chance they could. If he's really "changed" then why hasn't he come out and apologized to her?
 
You could chalk it up to a immature mistake if he and his family didn't then proceed to smear the alleged victim every chance they could. If he's really "changed" then why hasn't he come out and apologized to her?

How far do we push that immature line back before it becomes farcical? I may have been immature at 19 too, but I sure as shit didn't dip my taint and balls on someone's face.
 
You could chalk it up to a immature mistake if he and his family didn't then proceed to smear the alleged victim every chance they could. If he's really "changed" then why hasn't he come out and apologized to her?

That was still like 13 years ago when the last incident occurred involving this. Maybe it's just me but I don't judge people solely on their past. And maybe he hasn't said anything yet because it's not only a sensitive subject, but possible legal ramifications for even saying anything to begin with. For all we know he could be preparing a statement or seeing how this plays out further before speaking up about it.
 
That was still like 13 years ago when the last incident occurred involving this. Maybe it's just me but I don't judge people solely on their past. And maybe he hasn't said anything yet because it's not only a sensitive subject, but possible legal ramifications for even saying anything to begin with. For all we know he could be preparing a statement or seeing how this plays out further before speaking up about it.
Hes already been sued twice for violating the terms of the settlement (one of which was both sides were to remain silent about the incident)
Not only did he double down, hes used the incident to rail against female reporters being allowed in mens locker rooms.
 

Sanjuro

Member
That was still like 13 years ago when the last incident occurred involving this. Maybe it's just me but I don't judge people solely on their past. And maybe he hasn't said anything yet because it's not only a sensitive subject, but possible legal ramifications for even saying anything to begin with. For all we know he could be preparing a statement or seeing how this plays out further before speaking up about it.

He probably needs to relax, sit down, and really think about this. Maybe have a beer. Budweiser.
 
Peyton Manning is a horrible person who sexually assaults women and then settles, only to open his fucking mouth and be forced to resettle, throws teammates under the bus after a loss and whores out his endorsements after a fucking Super Bowl win*

He's as genuine of a person as is my grated parmesan to any type of cheese.
 
That was still like 13 years ago when the last incident occurred involving this. Maybe it's just me but I don't judge people solely on their past. And maybe he hasn't said anything yet because it's not only a sensitive subject, but possible legal ramifications for even saying anything to begin with. For all we know he could be preparing a statement or seeing how this plays out further before speaking up about it.

Cool. That should be enough time for a victim of sexual assault to get over it right?
 
Yes, and if you want to argue about the evidence, feel free. I've said before that I think there's troubling quotes and claims here, but I don't assume it's all true.

My point was that while it's fine to question the facts, it's not really true to just say "don't judge him for something he did in college," which is what I was replying to said.

This is where I am. I'm certainly happy to listen to evidence that would exonerate Manning (after all, this is based on a document prepared by the plaintiff) but most of the defenses I've seen of him aren't really based on any of that.

I've seen claims the alleged victim and/or her lawyers are just out to fleece Manning, which is the stock defense of pretty much any athlete/celebrity facing a lawsuit. I'm not saying that sort of thing never happens, but I need more evidence than "he's rich and she sued him."

I've seen a lot of "boys will be boys" type talk. I'm pretty sure nearly every college student does dumb things, but these allegations are serious. This isn't exactly a harmless prank we're talking about here.

And I've seen a lot of assurances that this was a long time ago and Manning has matured and is a real class act now. Aside from the allegations that Manning continued to harass Naughright after the incident, I'm not sure how we know what Manning is really like now. His persona is pretty obviously a marketing invention.

Again, I'm not saying burn him at the stake or that all the allegations must be 100% true, just that a lot of the defenses of Manning I've seen seem to start from the point of view that if the allegations are true then it's not a big deal, and I strongly disagree with that.
 
It's from the article in the OP.

I wonder if the whole letter is available somewhere because there's a different quote from another article I posted earlier that shows he also wrote
Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. ...
which displays another context completely and flies in the face of Peyton's "friendly fire" explanation.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Not sure I 100% believe this. Her legal counsel wrote that 74 page report, obviously they are going to go in. Everything I've seen of Manning is 100% class act.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Manning puts on a public display but in reality he is an entitled bully being enabled by a marketing machine. That's not recent news by any means and has been well known for many years now. That's not to say he is the only one of course, the NFL and sports in general are full of guys like this (with varying degrees of athletic ability of course, you can't deny that Manning is a great athlete).

Popularity and marketability should be no excuse to allow abuse or slander, period, but in this society it all too commonly is.
 

qcf x2

Member
It's pretty dumb to wonder why Manning isn't being hauled over the coals for something that happened 20 years ago in college.

If people are still talking about Cam stealing laptops at the end of his career you might have a point.

It was awful and inexcusable, no doubt. But all of the evidence points to Manning having matured and conducting himself with class throughout his entire professional career. Something which can't really be said for Cam to this point.

Agreed. I don't particularly like Manning and I could totally see every word of this being true (in part based on my own prejudices), but this is very old news. I haven't heard anything non football-related about him since college.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
All this drama surrounding Peyton ought to make us reevaluate who the media is pushing as a "villain" versus the players they want us to think are "wholesome and great". If Im a Pats fan, Im offput about the character assassination the media's been doing on Brady this entire time, while they give Manning a massive pass.
You're right, it's not fair.

They're both awful.
 
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