Gambit2483
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Phil Spencer decides in 2021 that all games from Bethesda would become exclusive to Xbox. Proceeds to lie about it in court.
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Slicker than your average
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What does that have to do with this thread? Of course they have every right to do what they want with the IP they own. Phil said in court yesterday they had not decided on the exclusivity of TES6. This info is directly counter to that testimony, saying that MS made the decision for all new Zenimax games to be exclusive in Nov 2021. That is what this thread is about. Maybe you didn't read or thought you were in a different thread.
kvltus lvlzvs
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Dont worry, I just dropped in to say thatWhen you reference Days of our Lives...you're no longer in the (real) conversation
fallingdove
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I love how coordinated the message has been. Same headlines, same language, same verdicts. Then you see certain GAFers saying the same thing.
Silent Viper
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Casuals gamers exist in every community who just buy any products whether good or not. I mean just look at Switch. Perfect example of it.
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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So one guy has such power in an industry, one f*cking guy.
cireza
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People really have no clue on what happens in big, private companies in terms of internal discussions. Whatever they say at some point, it can change to the complete opposite some time later. These are discussions between people with available resources and money, thinking on all the possible ways to use them.
They can decide one thing at some point and change their minds later. There is a lot of back and forth in the decision process... What matters is the final decision that leads to actions, and these are publicly shared. This is why any internal email or discussion don't care any weight. They can serve as a basis for questioning, but obviously you can say that you decided the exact opposite of what was discussed and it wouldn't be an issue at all...
They can decide one thing at some point and change their minds later. There is a lot of back and forth in the decision process... What matters is the final decision that leads to actions, and these are publicly shared. This is why any internal email or discussion don't care any weight. They can serve as a basis for questioning, but obviously you can say that you decided the exact opposite of what was discussed and it wouldn't be an issue at all...
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Helghan
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Oh great, people can't change their opinion anymore... Apparently they need to stick with it to the end. Great way of doing business too. Just go one way, and never re-think a strategy, or adept based on changed market dynamics. What's next? VR really takes off, Microsoft makes a VR goggle and everyone keeps pointing out that they said they weren't interested 5 years ago? It's like you're all in high school.
Unknown?
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That's his take?! Lmao! With 70B they could have out bid Sony everywhere.I feel like that that McCafrey tweet will be deleted soon enough, so I'll post a screenshot here just in case that happens.
Unknown?
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Yeah? Then there'd be emails discussing that change as well.
It's comical how backwards you have it. It's the internal emails that carry the most weight and the public relations bullshit that has no weight.
DarkBatman
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I thought he already did that, didn't he? He testified in court that it has not yet been decided whether TES VI will be an exclusive title or not. And published mails / chat logs show that the decision has long been made.
That's a lie, isn't it?
It's plausible deniability which is why he can get away with it. There was clear written email evidence of him saying make ALL games exclusive but in court he was saying it's far out and undecided. They did the same crap with Obsidians game. They announced it as exclusive already but in court pretended it was "undecided". They can do that nonsense in court but anybody with half a brain knows what's really happening.
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Helghan
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Because a business decision can change? If Starfield goes on PS5 in 3 years, does it make it a lie that it's currently exclusive?
DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
But as it stands now, the decision has been made - at least according to the published internal chats (which Phil apparently didn't know were going to be revealed).
Of course, the exclusive status can change in the next three years. But if the current status is "TES 6 will be exclusive", but Phil says "Nope, we don't know at the moment" - then that's a lie. To tell the truth, he should have said, "As of now, it's going to be exclusive, but that may change."
Helghan
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Wasn't it also said that he is the decision maker on exclusives? So basically if he changes his mind, which he can do whenever he wants, he's not lying.
cireza
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Maybe there are ? You can also discuss in real life, not only through emails. Obviously if the end decision that we saw contradicts said email, then something must have happened
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
The fanboy fanfic in this thread are hilarious. I feel bad for you if you truly believe this.
DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
No wonder, after all, Phil has been celebrated as Good Guy Phil for years, who only does everything for the gamers.
The last few days have underlined that he is no better than Jim Ryan and just as full of shit as everyone else in this business.
SmokedMeat
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Common sense should tell you case by case means old $10 ports of games like Quake and classic Doom. Maybe Hexen in the future.
Big new releases like Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein…everything will be exclusive to Xbox/PC going forward.
At this point it’s like watching reruns over and over again. Lying Phil. Good guy Phil. Phil’s not your friend, and he’s not going to bring his games over to a competing console the same way Jim Ryan won’t. Not unless there’s a reason, like a GaaS title where you want to milk as many people as possible.
Big new releases like Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein…everything will be exclusive to Xbox/PC going forward.
At this point it’s like watching reruns over and over again. Lying Phil. Good guy Phil. Phil’s not your friend, and he’s not going to bring his games over to a competing console the same way Jim Ryan won’t. Not unless there’s a reason, like a GaaS title where you want to milk as many people as possible.
Unknown?
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That surely would have been brought up to the FTC. The end decision hasn't even happened yet so we don't know how they will actually act on this. It's entirely possible that they change their mind after a public statement as well. Their public statement was so vague anyway that it literally could be one one-off game and that's it.Maybe there are ? You can also discuss in real life, not only through emails. Obviously if the end decision that we saw contradicts said email, then something must have happened
History shows not to trust what PR comes from a CEO, especially at Microsoft.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I once took a loan from a friend, promising that I'll pay him back. Later I changed my mind, which I could whenever I wanted to, and did not pay him back.
Dude is pissed with me. I have no idea why.
I did not lie to him. I just "changed my mind."
cireza
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And that would be enough to make the statement true anyway.
There is already the Quake remaster that has been released on Switch/PS after the buyout, Fallout 4 coming to PS5, as well as existing games being updated and getting additional content (Elder Scrolls, Fallout 76, Doom Eternal...).
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GamesDontSuck
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To be fair xbox is right to only release titles on their platform. Don't help your competition.
splattered
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Someone can change their minds over the course of 2 years, unless there are signed contracts in place, that's why it's important for Sony to sign the deal and move on from this.
DJ12
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Oh her son doesn't work for Microsoft then.
Unknown?
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I see you're learning about how to say one thing in a way to sound different than the actual words to fool people into thinking differently.
ActusReusJB
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In this example though you already created an obligation by taking the money. PS never got anything in this example. This would be like your friend saying he would give you a loan and changing his mind. You wouldn’t consider him a liar.
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Shut0wen
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Does bethesda still have the license for dev kits for the ps5? It seemed hinted pretty hard that sony doesnt want to give dev kits to any developer under microsoft studio (mojang) cant help but think the last game tango works did would actually do well on ps5 and switch if it was possible, probably find out next year
He said MS is not buying exclusives like Sony. What is The Medium and Scorn?
I might have misunderstood, but I thought Sony didn't want to share information regarding future consoles. I did not have the impression that dev kits after they ship consoles was an issue for them.
F0rneus
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The only difference between these two is that at least Phil Spencer is charismatic lol.
ZoukGalaxy
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Goliath77
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He has all the charisma of a used car salesman. Always seemed sneaky and shifty to me. Never have understood the love for hin - just because he wears a gaming t-shirt?
Dont get it lol. Just my opinion obviously
Crayon
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He was marketed as a savior and mattrick was the fall guy. And boy did that stick.
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Ansphn
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Biggest group of liars in gaming history in one place under the absolute pinnacle of liars, Phillip " Snake Oil god" Spencer. Can someone find me a bigger group of liars?
1. Phil Spencer
2. Aaron Greenberg
3. Todd Howard
4. Lawrence "Major Nelson" Hryb
And they're all under one roof -The house of Xbox
1. Phil Spencer
2. Aaron Greenberg
3. Todd Howard
4. Lawrence "Major Nelson" Hryb
And they're all under one roof -The house of Xbox
Crayon
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Hey if they don't deserve credit for starfield, they don't deserve credit for todd lol.
Otherwise, yeah. This company has got away with murder with strategically placed influencer fanboys, fud campaigns, and a rotten kind of community outreach it's all lies lies lies.
Goliath77
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You forgot Albert Penello to complete the set
akaFullmetal
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Seems they lied about zenimax games, I wonder what they will do with Activision if it passes?
Morrie’s wig shop
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Lol and??? There’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Who here was actually listening to PR like it’s gospel?
Because, if your only a PlayStation owner why would you do this to yourself? Why?
Microsoft bought them and are free to do with the games as they please, there is no law or moral ground that says you can’t do that.
From the very beginning of this Bethesda buyout it should of been assumed that everything is going to be exclusive unless stated other wise.
Who here was actually listening to PR like it’s gospel?
Because, if your only a PlayStation owner why would you do this to yourself? Why?
Microsoft bought them and are free to do with the games as they please, there is no law or moral ground that says you can’t do that.
From the very beginning of this Bethesda buyout it should of been assumed that everything is going to be exclusive unless stated other wise.
graywolf323
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you’re contradicting yourself, this is exactly why it matters
Microsoft was publicly stating otherwise
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