crisdecuba
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Not sure about CC support, but I can confirm both work *great* through Dolphin.
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Pikmin 3 Review Thread [UP2: All reviews are live]
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Not sure about CC support, but I can confirm both work *great* through Dolphin.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Wouldn't this game be so much better if Olimar had a gun that shot little pikmin? Except the Pikmin would be bullets
5/10
5/10
"Wouldn't this game be so much better if my survivor had a gun and plenty of bullets?"
4,5 - GameSpot reviewing ZombiU
Snowden's Secret
Banned
You can't "dock points" for something that isn't in the game, that's absurd. What the hell, mate.
This line of thinking is one of the reasons we see so much homogenization in games, btw. "We have to make our game exactly like these games or else we'll tank on Metacritic!"
Thanks! I'll try 1 (or 2?) on Dolphin as I don't do motion controls. Though, hearing about the time limit it makes me wanna try the sequel first.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Thats kinda silly dude.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Pikmin has amazed me with how it became one of my absolute favorite series in as little as two entries. I was hyped beyond belief for this glorious HD entry up until just recently. My complaints are twofold, but I feel they aren't insignificant in the slightest:
1) No Purples or Whites in single-player. What the hell. So I guess the team just felt it necessary to take options away from the player. I don't understand. Both types are incredibly useful and fun, and would only broaden the types of puzzles that could be dreamed up. It seems like a missed opportunity.
2) As Chessemeister pointed out, swarming is gone. This one baffles me to the point of infuriation. It's a major part of Pikmin. And now it's gone.
I know I'm going to buy this game at launch and love it, but it feels like, with the information I have, that this is going to be an "incomplete" Pikmin game. It's missing two types that had a lot to bring to the table, and its axed a really fun and integral element. I hope the rest of the experience helps the game rise above, but the changes are just so confusing.
1) No Purples or Whites in single-player. What the hell. So I guess the team just felt it necessary to take options away from the player. I don't understand. Both types are incredibly useful and fun, and would only broaden the types of puzzles that could be dreamed up. It seems like a missed opportunity.
2) As Chessemeister pointed out, swarming is gone. This one baffles me to the point of infuriation. It's a major part of Pikmin. And now it's gone.
I know I'm going to buy this game at launch and love it, but it feels like, with the information I have, that this is going to be an "incomplete" Pikmin game. It's missing two types that had a lot to bring to the table, and its axed a really fun and integral element. I hope the rest of the experience helps the game rise above, but the changes are just so confusing.
Then you'd have to dock points for games that don't offer local multiplayer, or off TV, or pinpoint accuracy.
Your point is arbitrary, as you can see.
Besides the game has a competitive online layer, how does it work BTW?
they can dock points for anything they want. they're like regular gaffers so if you see people on here bitching about ground textures or no online you're probably going to see that reflected in reviews because they probably ripped that criticism right out of GAF, no thought to it. "people on this popular site complaining, we gotta dock points for that" is usually how it works, so you need a game where the excitement around the game is going so strong that people are afraid to complain prior to playing the game to get that flawless score. that's definitely not pikmin. this game probably won't hit the 70s most nintendo games are getting thanks to the cute promo material they've put out, but 90s no way. it'll fall mid to high 80s for sure and that's in a GOTY quality situation
metalslimer
Member
They already threw in local multiplayer. It's not like they decided to go SP only. I could excuse it if Nintendo was some small company, but they arent
Yes, i think it should be noted that a game has no local mp. We can agree to disagree.
The Librarian
Banned
What is swarming?
Hobbestetrician
Member
And how is it different from this targeting thing I am hearing about where you can send all your Pikmin at an enemy with the flick of the Nunchuck or something like that?
I guess it was moving all the pikmins with the C stick.
metalslimer
Member
Wait no purples or whites or swarming? How did they take steps back. That along with no real items is kind of hype deflating.
GiantBreadbug
Member
The use of the C-Stick (using Gamecube controls) to manually move the hoard of Pikmin in a general direction. If you swarm Pikmin around an object or enemy, they automatically interact with it. It's also useful for making your Pikmin form a line to squeeze through tight places or narrow heights, or for helping avoid enemy attacks more precisely. In the Wii remakes you just pressed down on the D-Pad and pointed to move the swarm.
It was a really good mechanic. I'm absolutely befuddled as to why they'd remove it.
And it's entirely different from the "charge" move that sends your hoard toward an enemy. The swarm technique gave you more complete control over where your Pikmin are relative to the captain.
Hobbestetrician
Member
Couldn't you do that in the Wii versions by holding down on the D-pad and pointing to something? Is that removed?
"Nintendo needs to mix it up with their franchises, stop rehashing everything!"
*Nintendo changes a few smaller things about a game*
"Why isn't everything from the previous game here? Fuck this company."
GiantBreadbug
Member
1) Yes, you could in the NPC versions.
2) Swarming is removed from Pikmin 3. Cheese has confirmed it.
2) These aren't changes. This is flat out removing really important/fun aspects. It's not changing things up to keep it fresh. It's fucking awful.
Also, this is a franchise with 3 damn entries. If people are complaining about rehashing with it, then they're the worst possible type of person. What's the point of adding content and mechanics if you have to cut it out of the next entry to keep it "fresh?"
Who said they were steps back? From the day it was announced it was very clear they weren't simply building on 2. You're obsessing over the superficial bullet lists while ignoring the actual game content.
GiantBreadbug
Member
They're steps back.
You don't have to build on a predecessor to make a good sequel. But don't be surprised when there's pushback when you cut core elements that made said predecessor great in the first place.
I'm a huge advocate for this series and Nintendo's approach to game-making, and I find the removals to be absolutely pointless.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Howso? It was great for avoiding losing big chunks of Pikmin to enemies and it was made collecting items easier by not making you throw Pikmin after Pikmin just to pick up an item.
Besides that, there were parts of exploration that pretty much required you to use it.
Lag free local multiplayer, off tv/dual screen set up, and best of breed RTS controls on a console are 3 features that can make up for lack of 1 feature, if they contribute to make the game better than the game could ever be without it, online or not. Reviewers will note it, they will note there's no online, and if the game is amazing it will deserve amazing scores.
Just as any other game, missing a feature and still being amazing.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Swaming is absolutely still in, it's just altered. You can tap left or right on the d-pad to make your entire squad roll to the left or right evasively. You can also, while locked on to an enemy or item with Z (you can lock on to things now as camera pivots), shake the nunchuck once to make your whole Pikmin swarm rush at the item at once, just like pushing the c-stick forward in the older games, but much more reliably.
I agree that the old style was very advantageous at points, but better overall pathfinding could make it less necessary.
Hobbestetrician
Member
You act as if they removed Purple and White and just went back to the trio of colors from 1, ignoring the fact that we know they replaced those two with two other types of Pikmin that have their own special abilities. Having to manage 7 different types of Pikmin (and designing a game around all those different types) would be a mess.
I give this post the Super Paper Mario award of excellence.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
There's nothing wrong with purple and white being cut in the campaign. It doesn't seem at all unreasonable to think that seven types of Pikmin in a 100-max squad would strain the game's ability to be manageable. Toggling through five when you want to throw one type can be time-consuming enough, and a squad with five types already limits you to 20 per type, if you keep them even. "More and more and more" is not always good. Five seems like a very healthy count, particularly with how the rock and flying types seem much more feature-rich than the purples and whites.
And with the swarm not actually being cut, and instead just re-integrated with the mechanics being tweaked overall, there are no actual rational complaints to be found here. (Edit: I'll grant disappointment in fruit vs items though, sure.)
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
lol you haven't even played the game yet. You have no idea if they're "steps back". From the info we have, it seems like they've made lateral changes instead. You can roll the group evasively left/right, or lock-on and charge enemies with the whole swarm. There seems to be a bigger emphasis on actually throwing Pikmin rather than mass swarming. And the purple/white Pikmin have essentially been replaced by the rock/flying Pikmin, though even that would be a stretch because the purple/whites are used in the challenge modes for added variety. It's not like they're gone.
The Librarian
Banned
I'd recommend getting Pikmin 1 or 2 seeing as how they'd be less money. If you like those, then buy Pikmin 3. Or get Pikmin 3 and then go back to Pikmin 1 or 2 if you like the gameplay that much.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Ah, well that's a little comforting to hear. I still prefer the old way, but this doesn't sound too bad.
I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. It would have been entirely manageable. Not difficult at all. Plus it allows for more types of puzzle solving. It makes the experience seem less complete. I just think that 7 is a good number of types to have at once.
Worlds apart. It's not a totally different direction for the series (see, RPG to platformer), it's removal (or I suppose signifcant alteration) of important control schemes. And the real kicker here is that I love Super Paper Mario. As well as the RPG Paper Mario games. So I don't suppose I take your point.
metalslimer
Member
GiantBreadbug
Member
Sorry I guess I was too subtle:
I guess that the disclaimer where I said I would still love it and that my complaints were based on only what I've heard was too subtle. Just voicing my displeasure. These things happen on message boards.
I think having 15 types of different Pikmin would be entirely manageable. Not difficult at all. Plus it allows for many more types of puzzles to be solved. Having only 7 really makes the experience seem less complete. I just think 15 is the perfect number of Pikmin types to have at once.
metalslimer
Member
I don't think any of us think the game won't be great. Hopefully we don't have to wait til 2022 for Pikmin 4
Nice strawman
Nice strawman
GiantBreadbug
Member
I'm not sure how your taking my post and replacing it with a ridiculous number makes my point any less valid.
Unless you're under the assumption that more types will be added with each entry. Which isn't really a reasonable assumption to make, considering all the things that could be done for sequels while still keeping the main 7 types.
Nevermind the fact that this is a real-time strategy game with 3 different main units to control. I guess we should be upset that they added another captian?
metalslimer
Member
Why thank you. Just as arbitrary as the original comment
He was expressing an opinion in a perfectly nice way. No need for snarky responses. If you disagree how about having the intelligence to counterargue
crisdecuba
Member
Hey, what's the black ribbon about?
If you weren't in love with the game I wouldn't expect you to be here. But that said you have to be grounded in some sort of fact to be making these accusations that the game is truly negatively impacted by a change in control scheme or mechanics. Many aspects have been refined or altered and the game is designed to flow with those decisions. It's not supposed to play exactly the same but much like every Mario/Zelda/Metroid gain some things, remove some things, change some things and revive some things.
But how is 15 more ridiculous than 7? Would it have been better if I had said 8? I really don't understand how you can think that cutting two types (and substituting them for another two types) could be major steps back.
metalslimer said:
If you thought my posts were "snarky" you may have to dial down your sensitivity dial a couple notches. Was meant to be more than a laugh than an attack but hey, I guess some people are just desperate to get defensive.
Anyhoo, better not derail the topic
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Removing specific gameplay mechanics is not automatically a "step back." There are myriad reasons why those might be gone: complexity issues, gameplay balance (too many options might make it too easy, not enough difference between purple/Rock, etc), opportunity costs (can't implement everything), or lack of design space (say, they took white as far as they could and all that was left was more of what had already come).
If you make a turkey sandwich, and then make a tuna sandwich, you are not taking a step back by removing the turkey.
If you make a turkey sandwich, and then make a tuna sandwich, you are not taking a step back by removing the turkey.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Word on the streets is wiimote