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PS5 Tech Demo Detailed, Called 'Hugely Impressive'
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Darius87
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what do you mean not talking? we knew ps4 spec when it was released.
also parts cost much cheaper to sony, and it's console of course it's cheap.
vpance
Member
I think he mentioned before that it was a 3rd party title for Xbox and PS5.
Hobbygaming
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Bryank75
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Oh ok, missed that...
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
they never said it's "SO GOOD" they only talked about their unique added stuff which works compared to xbox. They never compared it to any modern intel cpu or amd/nvidia gpu. That's what I meant. But 3rd party companies for some reason tried to pretend sony made a better machine.
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Mr.Allan
Neo Member
That's exactly why I linked to 9sec of that video. Cutscene directly captured from ps4; they could have written it was captured on ps2 then.It's a cutscene and UC4 has some of the best visuals current gen
Darius87
Member
what's the point of comparing to pc gpu? we knew the spec already.
better then what?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is a concise post on the PS4 and AMD back in 2012/13 and can get an idea for 2020, possibly.
www.neogaf.com
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Im just saying, copying unified memory arrangement sounds dubious. It was either Esram + DDR3 or GDDR5 from single pool, for both if them. Designing console, with main requirement being it having 8GB of RAM back in 2010, there was only one choice. If MS knew 100% that GDDR5 could deliver 8GB in...
Thank you, I was waiting for someone to bring this up
Most people assume the PS4 GPU was a scaled down 7870 desktop which released in March 2012 and was only the 2nd fastest card AMD made (the fastest was the 7970). In fact, the PS4 was actually based on the mobile GPU variant called the 7970M which initially released on the PC in April 2012. That card was the absolute fastest mobile card AMD produced and it was in fact based on the full 7870 desktop silicon. If you look at the specs you will see that it is indeed virtually identical to the known PS4 GPU sans the PS4 GPU being even more underclocked from 850 to 800 Mhz. Now even though the PS4 did not release until Nov 2013, that 7970M card was still the fastest mobile card AMD manufactured at the time of the PS4 release! In fact, if you look at the history, AMD did not make another faster mobile GPU until the R9 M295X which didn't release until Nov 2014. This was essentially the mobile version of the 7970 desktop card but it came too late to be included in the PS4 (and was also way too power hungry to be in a console).
So contrary to popular belief, Sony included the absolute best and fastest card available at that time considering AMD's roadmap, PS4 release schedule, and thermal considerations for the console. In fact, if you know about computer hardware and thermals than you will know why it the PS4 HAD to include the mobile version. In short, AMD GPUs at that time were not very power effecient. GPUs in a console typically need to be < 100W TDP in order to be practical given the thermal and cooling limitations in a console. The desktop 7970 GPU released with a TDP of 250W which is absolutely not practical for a console. Even the desktop 7870 GPU had a TDP 175W which again is not practical given that the total TDP for the console is less than 150W. However, AMD was able to make a mobile variant of the 7870 with a TDP of only 75W, perfect for a console. Again this was the absolutely fastest card that was feasible up until the PS4 released in Nov 2013.
People always want to talk about the PS4 being so "underpowered" at launch but if you know that facts and what it takes to build a console from a hardware standpoint, Sony did the best they could given what AMD had available. But the focus for the PS4 (and Xbox One) wasn't on pure power, it was on developer ease and convenience. The real change was the move to x86 architecture on the CPU and again the Jaguar was the only thing AMD had available that could "fit" in a console form factor at that time (the AMD desktop parts were way too big and power hungry).
However, AMD is NOT the same company today that it was in 2012/2013. They have a wide range of highly competitive CPUs and will be releasing a wide range of highly competitive GPUs in the coming year. Not just in raw performance, but more important in terms of efficiency.
Also, the priorities of the console manufactures are different this time around. While the PS4 and Xbox One were mostly about removing barriers for developers, both Sony and Microsoft have made it clear that PS5 and Scarlett will be about pushing the boundaries of gaming. Having announced a GPU with 8K, 120fps, and ray-tracing capabilities says that they will definitely be significantly more powerful than the current RX 5700. If you look back, the PS4 and Xbox One GPU didn't really offer anything "new" at the time (except for ACE units on PS4). There were no marketing buzzwords to highlight advanced features and in fact all Sony could say was that it was a "super charged" PC.
Microsoft focused on software and UX features for Xbox One as part of their defocus on gaming initially. They paid the price and are hell bent on making sure they are technically competitive from day one with Scarlett. The difference in power between the two will be extremely small, probably smaller than any other previous generation.
So again if you think that the next consoles will ship with AMD Navi GPUs equivalent to the current RX 5700, then you are surely mistaken and you will see in due time!
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Mr.Allan
Neo Member
SUPERCHARGED PC, so much power, graphics NEVER seen before, SO MUCH cpu power - and as it turned out it's very weak ass pc; and for the first time ever console holders released mid gen upgrade argumenting(sony at least) that normally console overs switch to pc machines during regular mid gen cycle.
Darius87
Member
they never claimed what's in bold, you just made that up, they might compared it to ps3.
there no such thing as supercharged pc only overclocked, but it's still different things.
Pro was released for 4K gaming not because ps4 wasn't powerful enough.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I remember this from MS.
Xbox One Has A “Super-Computer Design" with a Really Complicated GPU, Says the Console Creator
Xbox’s Director Of Development Boyd Multerer, the guy known as creator of Xbox One, claims that Microsoft's latest console has a "super-computer design."
wccftech.com
And this from Sony:
But nothing to that projection the user was saying.
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Handy Fake
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The term "ESRAM" sends a shudder through this board.I remember this from MS.
Xbox One Has A “Super-Computer Design" with a Really Complicated GPU, Says the Console Creator
Xbox’s Director Of Development Boyd Multerer, the guy known as creator of Xbox One, claims that Microsoft's latest console has a "super-computer design."
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Mr.Allan
Neo Member
Watch Dogs dev says PS4 so powerful that it "gave us a chance to dream"
Ubisoft animation director praises Sony's PlayStation 4, saying it allowed the developer to "build a new type of game."
www.gamespot.com
Kojima: PlayStation 4 can render 1080p at 60fps with "room to spare"
Hideo Kojima praises Sony's new console; "The image quality of the PS4 is the most beautiful," he says.
www.gamespot.com
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Darius87
Member
i remember in video one of xbox engineers were claiming that they made xboxone weak on purpose that was when they knew ps4 spec probably.I remember this from MS.
Xbox One Has A “Super-Computer Design" with a Really Complicated GPU, Says the Console Creator
Xbox’s Director Of Development Boyd Multerer, the guy known as creator of Xbox One, claims that Microsoft's latest console has a "super-computer design."
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Watch Dogs dev says PS4 so powerful that it "gave us a chance to dream"
Ubisoft animation director praises Sony's PlayStation 4, saying it allowed the developer to "build a new type of game."Kojima: PlayStation 4 can render 1080p at 60fps with "room to spare"
Hideo Kojima praises Sony's new console; "The image quality of the PS4 is the most beautiful," he says.
One is Watch Dogs, the other Konami. Not Sony.
And he did prove it with 1080p/60 in an open world MG game.
This is all Sony said:
And I revert back to this post for the reality of the situation in 2102/13.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Sitting here waiting for a response from
Bryank75
concerning his "PC gamers are full of hot air" drive-by like...
Steam Hardware Survey Sept. 2019
Bryank75
concerning his "PC gamers are full of hot air" drive-by like...
Steam Hardware Survey Sept. 2019
Darius87
Member
i mean sony not 3party devs how can i rermember what 3rd party devs have to say about ps4? i'm not supercharged like you are.Watch Dogs dev says PS4 so powerful that it "gave us a chance to dream"
Ubisoft animation director praises Sony's PlayStation 4, saying it allowed the developer to "build a new type of game."SURE they never did.Kojima: PlayStation 4 can render 1080p at 60fps with "room to spare"
Hideo Kojima praises Sony's new console; "The image quality of the PS4 is the most beautiful," he says.
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
Read whole conversation. I NEVER SAID SONY SAID THAT.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Then what are you arguing here?
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
That's why I said sony never said ps4 is supercharged, you asked, I replied now you say I'm stupid?
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
hit page 2, it's not long topic to play TLDR card.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think it is a pointless argument, honestly.
Astral Dog
Member
Im sure it was exciting but what else could be said? "oh, it was minimally impressive' or " it wasn't impressive at all i was somewhat bored 
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Not much to go on, anyways next gen shaping well
"Not much to go on, anyways next gen shaping well
bryo4321
Member
Yes, performance scales perfectly linearly with development time
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
It was actually the PS1 tech demo (which really impressed prospective third parties at the time):
Of course, the 3D graphics in actual games never reached this level. Here is the Tomb Raider T-Rex for comparison:
It's a good reminder not to believe all the hype as we enter a new gen (although it's fine to be excited, of course).
That tomb raider demo is first gen stuff.
The psone had t rexes in other games and they looked much closer
Darius87
Member
p.s i never said you are stupid. but keep making stuff up, your good at it.
CyberPanda
Banned
Pretty much. Both companies are guilty of smoke and mirrors. I also love it how SSD is some sort of new amazing tech. When it’s been in the PC space for years lmao.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Noone is saying it is some new tech. How they are going to utilize it, their setup, will more than likely be different.
PC gamers should be excited, since consoles are always the baseline pushing gaming and the PC forward. Having SSDs as the baseline, will be great for PC gamers who have them, to take advantage of as well. Right now, 5400RPM mechanical SATA is the baseline.
Having the highest spec consoles as possible, will allow PCs to take advantage of higher spec as well.
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Mr.Allan
Neo Member
I realise it will take years to fully abandon current gen machines... But do you think major publishers will somehow enforce using SSD or else abandon milions of pc users just because of that new tech(ps5, not ssd)? I mean it's not like main storage should be the main selling point but since reveal it kinda is...
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Who said anything about abandon? What are you even concern trolling about?
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
I mean if really ps5 turns to be using somewhat better ssd than most pcs, will that mean that most pc games will be watered down? I mean if you think that could happen bcos most multiplatform games are build with x1 limitiations in mind so now we will have ps5 users calling pc hdds users a pleb for their storage option? Just a random thought, not trolling or anything. Recall when activision tried to enforce 6gb of ram in cod ghost.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It will mean that are able to take advantage of SSDs in the PC. Right now, games are not developed with SSDs in mind, so the performance differences are not that drastic over mechanical drives, especially on the PC. The consoles making it a baseline, should then improve performance for those with SSDs, and yes, third party game makers will still keep mechanical in mind as well. Games will just take longer to load in comparison, naturally.
This as example:
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Mass Shift
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Eh, no throw away tech demos this time.
Show us real gameplay as examples of the performance efficiency the new architecture is supposed to have.
Show us real gameplay as examples of the performance efficiency the new architecture is supposed to have.
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SSDs haven't been incorporated into a game's development on PC though
Myths
Member
What not?
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
just a though. On PC you have slow hdds 5400 somewhat worse than what you can find on consoles, hdds, fast hdds and ultra fast ssd/etc. Do you honestly think that loading witcher's 3 map in 10sec compared to 70 seconds on ps4 isn't "incorporated"?
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Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
That era was magical.Even more impressive than this?
Smaller than Atom
Member
These things always come out after announcing new hardware. Yes it will look better. Keep hype in check though. Gamers are the worst for keeping hype in check.
Munki
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Trojita
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lol what? Does he know what a SSD is there for?
bucyou
Member
you can make love, cant you?
GymWolf
Member
onestly this gif is not really that impressive anymore.We will believe it again, because "THIS TIME" it will be real.
Looking at this in 2013 and saying, but this isn't Motorstorm or Killzone, this is real-time, we can count the pixels
the dragon scene is far more impressive.
Matt_Fox
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A rising tide lifts all ships.
I'm a console gamer AND a PC gamer, and am balanced enough to say the next gen of consoles will dramatically raise the bar for new titles available to PC gamers too. It's not like PC gamers have been living the 'next gen' life for the past two years, and PS5 owners are about to join in. Anyone presenting that is disingenuous. Yes, multi-platform titles can have superior FPS on a high end PC but to see a difference between the graphical bells and whistles from a One X or a Pro you really have to reach.
In about 13 months you'll see what next gen REALLY looks like, and it's not PC gaming circa 2017.
I'm a console gamer AND a PC gamer, and am balanced enough to say the next gen of consoles will dramatically raise the bar for new titles available to PC gamers too. It's not like PC gamers have been living the 'next gen' life for the past two years, and PS5 owners are about to join in. Anyone presenting that is disingenuous. Yes, multi-platform titles can have superior FPS on a high end PC but to see a difference between the graphical bells and whistles from a One X or a Pro you really have to reach.
In about 13 months you'll see what next gen REALLY looks like, and it's not PC gaming circa 2017.
hunthunt
Banned
I dont think you played it but Killzone 2 looked equally good when it was released, if not better. Its on Youtube too.
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Spukc
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