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PSVR 2 will be Backwards Compatible with PSVR Titles
- Thread starter IbizaPocholo
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
It would be nice if it does. Consider the relatively small number of PSVR1 titles, it is not that hard to get them working.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Thought this was a given?
nush
Gold Member
Said anyone who usually knows nothing about how to code.
a multicultural team of v
Member
I would have actually thought this would be difficult given the very, very different tracking and controller designs. Unless Sony put together some hardcore software layer to interpret and translate PSVR2 to PSVR1 data, which is why I find this surprising because they really don't have much of a track record for this kind of stuff.
balls of snow
Member
I should fucking hope so as they are giving away 3 psvr titles on psplus this month.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm confused what you mean here; not being snarky.. just honestly confused.
Just because it tracks "differently", isn't it the same concept? The PSVR 2 will know where your hands are, will know everything PSVR1 knows and then some.
And the new controllers have all of the buttons of Move controllers, and then some...
So what exactly wouldn't be easily made backwards compatibility from a control/tracking standpoint?
Romulus
Member
If I'm not mistaken, there are over 250.
AGRacing
Member
I agree. Not at all saying it would be easy... BUT the PSVR uses the camera and built in motion sensors to basically get 3D positional data of the hand wands and your headset.
Just because the PSVR will likely determine that position in a different way doesn't mean the actual numbers it arrives at are different. X, Y, Z, etc. They should be able to covert it into a format the original PSVR understands. I think the game software just wants the coordinates and doesn't care what the method is to get them.
Punished Miku
Member
If they're going to get me to buy one of these it would have to have BC on previous titles, be wireless and be closer to or at $300.
DeepSpace5D
Member
I remember being told by someone on another site backwards compatibility would be too difficult because the tracking system was different.
This would be a big deal for me if true.
This would be a big deal for me if true.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Moves have: Trigger, Shoulder, Square, Triangle, X/Cross, Circle, Move Button, Select, Start, and Home buttons. They lacked a D-pad and analog sticks.
There will be enough buttons, especially with the addition of analogs.
01011001
Banned
completely different tracking systems, different controllers and different FOV of the headset, all of that makes this not that easy to accomplish. I wonder if the compatibility will not be 100% and some games need patches.
Shakka43
Member
They should pay them to add hand tracking. I didn't care much for the VR option in RE7 as the ingame interactivity was pretty much non existent from a gameplay perspective.
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a multicultural team of v
Member
Because the games are expecting you to have a headset that is lit up and two bright balls on wands used for tracking. Literally everything about PSVR is built around those concepts, so Sony is probably going to have to translate whatever tracking there is for PSVR2 into literal brightness inputs for the PSVR software to read and input appropriately. I don't think they can just serve the PSVR game the raw motion data from the PSVR2, it needs to be translated into PSVR data, which is created using brightness being tracked by a camera. They might have to go as far as emulating the Playstation camera, and then feeding that emulated camera fake 3D lightmaps generated by translating the PSVR2 spatial headset data to trick it into thinking it is tracking a PSVR headset via brightness in your living room.
I'm no engineer but I really don't know how else they would do it - I'm sure the games eventually just get positional data, and they can skip all the steps and come up with a way to directly convert the PSVR2 data to PSVR data, but given how strictly 1:1 Sony's backwards compatibility efforts are, it would be unexpected.
I would be happy to be wrong though.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The HDMI splitter and the loss of HDR in the first revision pissed me off. I would love to be able to sell my PS4 Pro and the PSVR1 kit (no desire to hook the PS5 to it).
10101
Gold Member
I think that it is more likely that all that positional data is figured out by the PSVR unit and sent to the software via API’s. I’d be very surprised if Sony was making each dev go down to the level of working out the position based on the lights etc. Using API’s offer an abstraction layer that is useful for things like backward compatibility as it provides a common interface for communication - even when the underlying driver is doing completely different things. So as long as PSVR2 can translate it’s positional data into PSVR format and serve it to the software via a common API it would be indistinguishable to the software.
I have literally no idea if this is how PSVR works so I could well be wrong too, but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t the driver / hardware working all that stuff out and just passing it to the software.
LimanimaPT
Member
FOV? What do you mean? Isn't psvr just a pair of lcds and the software controls the FOV? This is like saying that one TV as a bigger FOV then other.
This are good news if true. Probably PSVR1 games will render at a better resolution which was the biggest problem with PSVR. It would be great to replay RE7 in hd.
existensmaximum
Member
Uhm it never even crossed my mind that they wouldn't be... 
01011001
Banned
different headsets have different FOVs...
it's literally part of the listed specs of any VR headset.
the Pimax 8K has an FOV of 141° for example, the Samsung Odyssey has an FOV of 102°, the Quest 2's is 93° and the PSVR has an FOV of ~90°
the PSVR2 is said to have an FOV of 110° if I remember correctly
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N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Good.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
I’m still perplexed to this day. How did Sony not talk to Sony? This should never have been allowed to happen. What’s more people had to come up with their own fix to correct this.
I imagine most people didn’t and ended up gaming without HDR.
SkylineRKR
Member
This is pretty good but if IQ doesn't change I probably don't bother. One of the reasons (with the cable hell being the other) I sold PS VR a few months ago is because it especially looks like shit when coming from PS5 IQ. Its a 5 year old HMD, its done. I tested it on PS5, then put it on sale. Most games came through PS Plus and Astrobot was a freebie at some point so I still got those anyway.
And I didn't even make much of a loss on it, bought it at BF sale for like 150 in 2017, sold it for close to that amount just recently.
PSVR2 really depends, no breakout box required is a good start.
And I didn't even make much of a loss on it, bought it at BF sale for like 150 in 2017, sold it for close to that amount just recently.
PSVR2 really depends, no breakout box required is a good start.
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Sosokrates
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Thats good for those who want to play those games, but imo VR is dire need of a tech upgrade, VR on PS5 should be a sizable improvement, I dont think many folks will want tonplay ps4 psvr games.
But i suppose thats the argument for all BC debates.
But i suppose thats the argument for all BC debates.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
There are like 600 or so. But backward compatibility is not really about the number of titles in a case like this where the system itself is already BC.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
I never did get round to getting the PSVR, however this certainly helps with making an early purchase of the PS2VR.
Tetris Effect will be an early purchase for sure when this relates.
Tetris Effect will be an early purchase for sure when this relates.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
What I want to know is if PSVR2 will use its much higher render resolution when playing PSVR1 games, because the latter only render at 960*1080 per eye which is atrociously low.
a multicultural team of v
Member
So I was thinking that too, but again look at the backwards compatibility. Sony's solution is basically to replicate exactly with no enhancements because they don't seem to be using APIs like that. Whereas Microsoft for instance does, which is why they can increase frame rates, add HDR, change resolution, etc. So that is the only reason I am skeptical.
10101
Gold Member
I'm not sure that is because of API's tbh, they are just different approaches to backwards compatibility. Sony went the route of making the hardware act like a PS4 Pro and MS went down the virtual machine road, which I think they were already doing for XB1/X.
I don't know how much you know about object orientated software design (& apologies if you already know this), but an API can be as simple as an abstract interface between two parts (modules) of a program - meaning they can be switched out very easily because both are written to follow the same inputs & same outputs. I'm not going to get into the virtues of SOLID design principles, but they are pretty fundamental to software design and I'd expect the PS SDK to be following them as AFAIK its written in C++.
This is all conjecture though, I am not a games dev and I've never seen their SDK. I do have a lot of experience designing and writing this crap though so it doesn't seem too far out of the realms of possibility for me. You may well be right though, they might have not thought of this stuff and coded themselves into a corner. Time will tell I guess
SilentUser
Member
I would love that to be true! I have quite a good number of PSVR1 titles already after that Sony gifting and PS Plus is about to give 3 more titles this november. I don't know how feasible BC is considering the technology differences, but I honestly think it is possible to make that happen IF Sony really wants that.