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S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 is getting NFTs (Update: NFTs cancelled due to outcry)
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CuteFaceJay
Member
tbh not sure why these companies are banking on their games lasting long enough for people to bother investing into NFT's on their platform. The game will prolly hold interest for a few months if it's decent.
BaneIsPain
Member
underwater
Member
NFT is an amazing concept that leverages the power of blockchain to create new paradigms in the metaverse. If you get in on the ground floor it is basically free money.
Punished Miku
Banned
For the devs lol.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
Lmao this rich. Most people don't even understand what NFTs are.
Captain Toad
Member
True, but at the same time there were plenty of people who DID see where it was going.
Remember the crap Bethesda got for "horse armor"? People were shocked at the gall a company had to charge for something that so clearly should just be in the game.
Now, something like horse armor doesn't even show up on anyone's radar. We're desensitized to it and it's incredibly tame compared to the more intrusive price hiding companies are using today.
And they'll keep pushing. They don't care how many of us complain online, it keeps working regardless. We are paying more for games than ever before without realizing it. If we aren't, we are reciving a fraction of what would have been a full game in the past.
Punished Miku
Banned
You must be a Greta Thunberg type. All criticism of NFTs is super easy to handwave away if you just pretend it doesn't exist!
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yes, and these people are not the ones buying NFTs, for the most part.
Synless
Member
I’m not respond to the OP I’m responding to your blanket statement in my first quote where you used “games” as a plural and I’m telling you not all cases are like this and it’s up to the devs. DLC is not new, but now people can sell their dlc for profit. Also, again, not all games will charge to win these.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
And it doesn't even really take away from that "kind" of internet because it's essentially infinite, it's just the concept that's slimy. It's the internet version of selling somebody a bridge. 99% of NFTs are completely and totally useless aside from trading and any that aren't could be achieved without the tech - like this auction to be in a video game, which people have been doing for years.
Sure, most people know what they're getting into as much as anyone who gambles, it doesn't make lootboxes any less of a shitty concept either in the context of NFTs in games either. It's preying on people's FOMO, or lack of knowledge, or need to be seen, or addiction, or whatever. I don't even especially care about those people but it's not morally black and white.
And I'd love to know how NFTs are currently 100% renewable, because they aren't, and until they are, it's not going to be a non-issue for everyone. You don't have to be a Greta to appreciate how burning through stacks of energy for the sake of enabling digital trading cards that make rich people richer is not inherently something to be celebrated.
Again, I don't blame people for making money off of people losing money, the concept has been around forever. It's just a new way to do it and people are acting like it's some incredible technology. It's not.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
Imagine saying this about gambling or any other get rich quick scheme
How naive can you be?
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Kssio_Aug
Member
By what I am understanding reading this thread, it seems to me they're basically only selling an NPC, which someone can trade later for real money according to demand (which I can't see any, but what do I know these days). It doesn't seem to involve any sort of mining.
Or am I not understanding at all?
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Robochobo
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The majority will plain and simple, as has always been the case. It's pandoras box and it's another scenario where people like yourself will defend it even though it's very clearly seen as another way to monetize games. Yes plural, because microtransactions didn't stop at one game. Neither did in game currency, or season passes, or lootboxes. Talk to me again in 10 years where this becomes the new normal and things given out as "free" are considered generous acts from developers, which come to think of it was one of the bigger points about CDPRs handling of DLC. You know, the thing people said over a decade ago would end up being used to nickle and dime players? Yeah that came true. So will this.
DaGwaphics
Member
The whole concept is based on these objects being signed by a blockchain and having a history of ownership.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I see NFTs as a potential way to get the old internet back by giving The People™ a piece of it instead of Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet and Meta owning everything (including owning its users, lmao). How this exactly happens is yet to be seen.
True, one could argue that giving people the opportunity to participate in a potential Ponzi scheme is immoral, even though the people participating know it's a Ponzi scheme. Then again, people have been participating in those since forever, NFTs didn't change anything tbh.
The carbon footprint of NFTs is so small that I can't really take the concern seriously. Especially since it's a "problem" that is very solvable. Ethereum 2 dropping will solve most of the problem by itself.
Idk if the technology is incredible, but it certainly opens up a lot of new possibilities. We'll see what people will come up with. So far it's been extremely primitive, but you wouldn't judge the internet by how it was back in 1995, would you?
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
The two go hand in hand. You can't have NFTs without cryptocurrencies which need to be mined
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FearlessBelgian
Member
Can you please tell me why it's bad for some of you ?
Kssio_Aug
Member
I'm also unaware of how blockchain works, but by a quick google search it seems to me some sort of encrypted token, that I imagine that exists in order to reliably store this ownership data you mentioned. But does it have anything to do with mining?
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nemiroff
Gold Member
Yeah, it's kinda scary to think about that the only reason we don't have to pay our way through to be able to see the end of a relatively full game experience right now is because we as customers raised hell about MTX.
This is round 2, and we need to be even more vocal this time around. Make no mistake about it, the Ubisofts around are carefully monitoring the community's response, and we need to let them see that we haven't budged one bit whether it was Horse Armor or CSGO Lotto.
I haven't done a deep dive into the specific circumstances here, but for now fuck the Stalker 2 devs, this has unfortunately completely changed my opinion about the game for the worse.
Edit: Actually, this is not round 2, it's more like #4.
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Reminds me of kickstarter's tiers
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Oh fuck this.
Shubh_C63
Member
I need to read more about this but...isn't it pure cosmetic and kin to trading cards.
I say go for it, it doesn't interferes with gameplay at all.
and environmental affects on this are not complete non issue, but breathing cost environmental affect too. If companies shows how much they are earning from NFTs then new laws needs to be written to increase their CSR contribution.
I say go for it, it doesn't interferes with gameplay at all.
and environmental affects on this are not complete non issue, but breathing cost environmental affect too. If companies shows how much they are earning from NFTs then new laws needs to be written to increase their CSR contribution.
Punished Miku
Banned
That's basically exactly what is happening. MTNs on steroids, being pitched as "the future." The cannibalization and extreme monetization of games is all that this is.
For people that still can't wrap their head around it, they want the whole internet to be the Diablo 3 Auction House at launch and they're trying to gaslight you into thinking it's "freedom."
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DaGwaphics
Member
Mining is basically what allows a blockchain to function. The blockchain for bitcoin is now so large that it takes an inconceivable amount of total compute power to keep the entire system running.
SJRB
Gold Member
"Don't blame us, blame the community", lol.
Synless
Member
I dont disagree with the dlc model either. I never asked for freebies in a game that I paid for. If a dev chooses to be nice, great but I have no expectation of it. I have nothing more to say to you.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I see, but a game that features NFT (like the case of Stalker 2) is not necessarily mining your hardware resources, correct?
Damn, it's so confusing, I feel like I need to sign to a course to understand this tech! lmao
Umbasaborne
Member
Yep, fastest ive ever gone from “looks rad” to “hope it bombs”Me yesterday: Can't wait till this game comes out, it's looking good.
Me today:
winjer
Member
As with all scams, it tries to be overly complicated to disguise itself.
Basically, your machine, be it console of PC will be calculating a bunch of encryption to create a unique token, that is based on previous tokens.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Not your resources no, but compute resources will be needed somewhere and there will have to be some carrot for whoever is running the systems that is generating the compute. In bitcoin they basically convinced individuals to provide the compute in exchange for throwing them a bitcoin every now and again (or a tiny fraction of one). I'm not sure how the gaming NFT systems will stay afloat once you start to have quadrillions or more transactions in the chain.
Robochobo
Member
I'm glad you're glad with the fact gaming has essentially become a new way to fleece people of their money for less and less effort. At least you can admit it, and realize nothing of what I said is false. You yourself said it, "I have never asked for freebies in a game that I paid for." I myself never asked for content or experiences to be locked behind paywall for something I already purchased, but I guess we can both be surprised, in opposing ways.
GHG
Member
Honesty it feels like the people telling everyone to hodl are also the people quietly selling and taking profits in the background.
Greatest pyramid scheme of our times.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
NFT aside from regular coin/token ensures that no other same token on a network is same. This technology has it's use, not sure if here, but on the bigger picture as if you want to have unique character for example which no other player has in the game. Than you can deploy it as a NFT and that ensure it. But it has to be generated and loaded through the hash, which isn't exactly hard to do.