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S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 is getting NFTs (Update: NFTs cancelled due to outcry)

SJRB

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tbh not sure why these companies are banking on their games lasting long enough for people to bother investing into NFT's on their platform. The game will prolly hold interest for a few months if it's decent.
 

TheSHEEEP

Gold Member
At least it's using the technology for something more than just a JPEG...

Guess we're slowly evolving to the point where NFTs might some day be used for something useful.
 

SF Kosmo

...please disperse...
Dumb and cynical but ultimately fairly unobtrusive. It reminds me of like a Kickstarter reward or something.
 
NFT is an amazing concept that leverages the power of blockchain to create new paradigms in the metaverse. If you get in on the ground floor it is basically free money.
 
I remember when DLC, microtransactions and loot boxes weren't going to interfere with gameplay or game design.

Good times.
True, but at the same time there were plenty of people who DID see where it was going.

Remember the crap Bethesda got for "horse armor"? People were shocked at the gall a company had to charge for something that so clearly should just be in the game.

Now, something like horse armor doesn't even show up on anyone's radar. We're desensitized to it and it's incredibly tame compared to the more intrusive price hiding companies are using today.

And they'll keep pushing. They don't care how many of us complain online, it keeps working regardless. We are paying more for games than ever before without realizing it. If we aren't, we are reciving a fraction of what would have been a full game in the past.
 
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Synless

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Read the OP once again.
"To become a “metahuman,” players will be able to bid for an NFT."
I'm not arguing whether or not you NEED to pay for it. It's that you HAVE to pay if you want it. Your example doesn't work nor matter because THIS ISN'T FREE!
I’m not respond to the OP I’m responding to your blanket statement in my first quote where you used “games” as a plural and I’m telling you not all cases are like this and it’s up to the devs. DLC is not new, but now people can sell their dlc for profit. Also, again, not all games will charge to win these.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
That kind of internet has been long, long dead. Acting like it's still there doesn't really serve anyone.

Eh. I'd argue most people know what they're getting into.

This is FUD from the Greta Thunberg types. Especially since the energy needed to run NFTs could be made from renewables. It's a complete non-issue.

And it doesn't even really take away from that "kind" of internet because it's essentially infinite, it's just the concept that's slimy. It's the internet version of selling somebody a bridge. 99% of NFTs are completely and totally useless aside from trading and any that aren't could be achieved without the tech - like this auction to be in a video game, which people have been doing for years.

Sure, most people know what they're getting into as much as anyone who gambles, it doesn't make lootboxes any less of a shitty concept either in the context of NFTs in games either. It's preying on people's FOMO, or lack of knowledge, or need to be seen, or addiction, or whatever. I don't even especially care about those people but it's not morally black and white.

And I'd love to know how NFTs are currently 100% renewable, because they aren't, and until they are, it's not going to be a non-issue for everyone. You don't have to be a Greta to appreciate how burning through stacks of energy for the sake of enabling digital trading cards that make rich people richer is not inherently something to be celebrated.

Again, I don't blame people for making money off of people losing money, the concept has been around forever. It's just a new way to do it and people are acting like it's some incredible technology. It's not.
 

winjer

Member
Screw this game. They just killed all interest I had for it.
Not going to have my system be some kind of mining machine for some scummy bastards.
 
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Kssio_Aug

Member
Screw this game. They just killed all interest I had for it.
Not going to have my system be some kind of mining machine for some scummy bastards.
By what I am understanding reading this thread, it seems to me they're basically only selling an NPC, which someone can trade later for real money according to demand (which I can't see any, but what do I know these days). It doesn't seem to involve any sort of mining.

Or am I not understanding at all?
 
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Robochobo

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I’m not respond to the OP I’m responding to your blanket statement in my first quote where you used “games” as a plural and I’m telling you not all cases are like this and it’s up to the devs. DLC is not new, but now people can sell their dlc for profit. Also, again, not all games will charge to win these.
The majority will plain and simple, as has always been the case. It's pandoras box and it's another scenario where people like yourself will defend it even though it's very clearly seen as another way to monetize games. Yes plural, because microtransactions didn't stop at one game. Neither did in game currency, or season passes, or lootboxes. Talk to me again in 10 years where this becomes the new normal and things given out as "free" are considered generous acts from developers, which come to think of it was one of the bigger points about CDPRs handling of DLC. You know, the thing people said over a decade ago would end up being used to nickle and dime players? Yeah that came true. So will this.
 

DaGwaphics

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By what I am understanding reading this thread, it seems to me they're basically only selling an NPC, which someone can trade later for real money according to demand (which I can't see any, but what do I know these days). It doesn't seem to involve any sort of mining.

Or am I not understanding at all?

The whole concept is based on these objects being signed by a blockchain and having a history of ownership.
 

CitizenZ

Banned
Notice how everything shown for these NFTs has been very small barely noticeable. Wait until they start adding in full customization, basically an auction block.
 
And it doesn't even really take away from that "kind" of internet because it's essentially infinite, it's just the concept that's slimy. It's the internet version of selling somebody a bridge. 99% of NFTs are completely and totally useless aside from trading and any that aren't could be achieved without the tech - like this auction to be in a video game, which people have been doing for years.
I see NFTs as a potential way to get the old internet back by giving The People™ a piece of it instead of Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet and Meta owning everything (including owning its users, lmao). How this exactly happens is yet to be seen.
Sure, most people know what they're getting into as much as anyone who gambles, it doesn't make lootboxes any less of a shitty concept either in the context of NFTs in games either. It's preying on people's FOMO, or lack of knowledge, or need to be seen, or addiction, or whatever. I don't even especially care about those people but it's not morally black and white.
True, one could argue that giving people the opportunity to participate in a potential Ponzi scheme is immoral, even though the people participating know it's a Ponzi scheme. Then again, people have been participating in those since forever, NFTs didn't change anything tbh.
And I'd love to know how NFTs are currently 100% renewable, because they aren't, and until they are, it's not going to be a non-issue for everyone. You don't have to be a Greta to appreciate how burning through stacks of energy for the sake of enabling digital trading cards that make rich people richer is not inherently something to be celebrated.
The carbon footprint of NFTs is so small that I can't really take the concern seriously. Especially since it's a "problem" that is very solvable. Ethereum 2 dropping will solve most of the problem by itself.
Again, I don't blame people for making money off of people losing money, the concept has been around forever. It's just a new way to do it and people are acting like it's some incredible technology. It's not.
Idk if the technology is incredible, but it certainly opens up a lot of new possibilities. We'll see what people will come up with. So far it's been extremely primitive, but you wouldn't judge the internet by how it was back in 1995, would you?
 
By what I am understanding reading this thread, it seems to me they're basically only selling an NPC, which someone can trade later for real money according to demand (which I can't see any, but what do I know these days). It doesn't seem to involve any sort of mining.

Or am I not understanding at all?

The two go hand in hand. You can't have NFTs without cryptocurrencies which need to be mined
 
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Draugoth

Gold Member
It only gets worse:

Stalker 2 dev GSC Game World cites "community needs and requests" in decision to use wasteful proof-of-work blockchain tech for NFTs

 

Kssio_Aug

Member
The whole concept is based on these objects being signed by a blockchain and having a history of ownership.
I'm also unaware of how blockchain works, but by a quick google search it seems to me some sort of encrypted token, that I imagine that exists in order to reliably store this ownership data you mentioned. But does it have anything to do with mining?
 
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nemiroff

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I remember when DLC, microtransactions and loot boxes weren't going to interfere with gameplay or game design.

Yeah, it's kinda scary to think about that the only reason we don't have to pay our way through to be able to see the end of a relatively full game experience right now is because we as customers raised hell about MTX.

This is round 2, and we need to be even more vocal this time around. Make no mistake about it, the Ubisofts around are carefully monitoring the community's response, and we need to let them see that we haven't budged one bit whether it was Horse Armor or CSGO Lotto.

I haven't done a deep dive into the specific circumstances here, but for now fuck the Stalker 2 devs, this has unfortunately completely changed my opinion about the game for the worse.

Edit: Actually, this is not round 2, it's more like #4.
 
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Shubh_C63

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I need to read more about this but...isn't it pure cosmetic and kin to trading cards.
I say go for it, it doesn't interferes with gameplay at all.

and environmental affects on this are not complete non issue, but breathing cost environmental affect too. If companies shows how much they are earning from NFTs then new laws needs to be written to increase their CSR contribution.
 
Yeah, it's kinda scary to think about that the only reason we don't have to pay our way through to be able to see the end of a relatively full game experience right now is because we as customers raised hell about MTX.

This is round 2, and we need to be even more vocal this time around. Make no mistake about it, the Ubisofts around are carefully monitoring the community's response, and we need to let them see that we haven't budged one bit whether it was Horse Armor or CSGO Lotto.

Fuck the Stalker 2 devs, this has unfortunately completely changed my opinion about the game for the worse.
That's basically exactly what is happening. MTNs on steroids, being pitched as "the future." The cannibalization and extreme monetization of games is all that this is.

For people that still can't wrap their head around it, they want the whole internet to be the Diablo 3 Auction House at launch and they're trying to gaslight you into thinking it's "freedom."
 
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DaGwaphics

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I'm also unaware of how blockchain works, but by a quick google search it seems to me some sort of encrypted token. But does it have anything to do with mining?

Mining is basically what allows a blockchain to function. The blockchain for bitcoin is now so large that it takes an inconceivable amount of total compute power to keep the entire system running.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
So some people are such NPCs that they're literally going to outbid each other to become an actual NPC
 

Synless

Member
The majority will plain and simple, as has always been the case. It's pandoras box and it's another scenario where people like yourself will defend it even though it's very clearly seen as another way to monetize games. Yes plural, because microtransactions didn't stop at one game. Neither did in game currency, or season passes, or lootboxes. Talk to me again in 10 years where this becomes the new normal and things given out as "free" are considered generous acts from developers, which come to think of it was one of the bigger points about CDPRs handling of DLC. You know, the thing people said over a decade ago would end up being used to nickle and dime players? Yeah that came true. So will this.
I dont disagree with the dlc model either. I never asked for freebies in a game that I paid for. If a dev chooses to be nice, great but I have no expectation of it. I have nothing more to say to you.
 

Kssio_Aug

Member
The two go hand in hand. You can't have NFTs without cryptocurrencies which need to be mined
Mining is basically what allows a blockchain to function. The blockchain for bitcoin is now so large that it takes an inconceivable amount of total compute power to keep the entire system running.
I see, but a game that features NFT (like the case of Stalker 2) is not necessarily mining your hardware resources, correct?

Damn, it's so confusing, I feel like I need to sign to a course to understand this tech! lmao
 

winjer

Member
I see, but a game that features NFT (like the case of Stalker 2) is not necessarily mining your hardware resources, correct?

Damn, it's so confusing, I feel like I need to sign to a course to understand this tech! lmao

As with all scams, it tries to be overly complicated to disguise itself.
Basically, your machine, be it console of PC will be calculating a bunch of encryption to create a unique token, that is based on previous tokens.
 
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DaGwaphics

Member
I see, but a game that features NFT (like the case of Stalker 2) is not necessarily mining your hardware resources, correct?

Damn, it's so confusing, I feel like I need to sign to a course to understand this tech! lmao

Not your resources no, but compute resources will be needed somewhere and there will have to be some carrot for whoever is running the systems that is generating the compute. In bitcoin they basically convinced individuals to provide the compute in exchange for throwing them a bitcoin every now and again (or a tiny fraction of one). I'm not sure how the gaming NFT systems will stay afloat once you start to have quadrillions or more transactions in the chain.
 

Robochobo

Member
I dont disagree with the dlc model either. I never asked for freebies in a game that I paid for. If a dev chooses to be nice, great but I have no expectation of it. I have nothing more to say to you.
I'm glad you're glad with the fact gaming has essentially become a new way to fleece people of their money for less and less effort. At least you can admit it, and realize nothing of what I said is false. You yourself said it, "I have never asked for freebies in a game that I paid for." I myself never asked for content or experiences to be locked behind paywall for something I already purchased, but I guess we can both be surprised, in opposing ways.
 

Greirat

Member
This headline is clickbait. The NFT is a marketing stunt, nothing more. The game doesn't use blockchain technology. It also says the NFTs "won’t influence the gameplay itself".
 

M1chl

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NFT aside from regular coin/token ensures that no other same token on a network is same. This technology has it's use, not sure if here, but on the bigger picture as if you want to have unique character for example which no other player has in the game. Than you can deploy it as a NFT and that ensure it. But it has to be generated and loaded through the hash, which isn't exactly hard to do.
 
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