StreetsofBeige
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So Lockhart $300 and SeX $500 is a no go?
Obviously, everyone wants their console to sell 100 000 000 units.That I'm pretty sure is the sort of result MS actually want!
The one X has been discontinued. so they
The one X has been discontinued. Retailers can't get new stock. So they are only going to be selling two SKU's going forward.
1. Lockhart at $199
2. Series X at $399
Lockhart replaces the One X
So Lockhart $300 and SeX $500 is a no go?
I think Microsoft can indeed lower the price of the Series X and Series S by actually having two tiers. What you forget is that not all APU waffers are equal and not all have all the CUs and transistors working at max., so, by having the "Series S", they could use the "scraps" APUs from the waffers, change the microcode and call it a day. That way they don't have to design 2 different APUs and use up to the last milimeter of those APUs waffers.400, sign me up.
Its not going to happen, The tech in that box is expensive.
imagine the lose Mircosoft would have to sustain in order to hit that price point.
And as for oh Microsoft having billions in the bank, they have billions in the bank because of careful planning not rash decision making, with the pandemic ruining the world economy, stocks in freefall, Microsoft need to conserative and SMART in their approach.
Most of my favorites this gen were none movie games .I think Microsoft should’ve repackaged the One X an keep it alive. Now Kinect needed to go that shit was trash and they started to push it around like 2010 which I believe hurt the 360 in the end. Microsoft did support the 360 from 05 till like 2010. Now the Xbox one I can see why they stopped trying, they didn’t have anything and about time they started buying studios those games wouldn’t be ready till next gen. I’m going Xbox first this time unless Sony shows Legends of dragoon, or gravity rush 3. I’m not a fan of their movie games unfortunately.
I'm hearing the opposite complaint they need to drop the old consoles so the series x will have exclusives. People should make up their minds. The one x and ps4 pro will get the same years of first party support.And thats why i wait with xbox and get the ps5 first.
Sony is good at supporting its plattform till the end where as microsoft always drops it halfways.
Kinect got discontinued xbox one now xbox s and if lockhart takes over xbox one x then that was their shortest lifecycle for a console.
How old is one x like 3 years old?
Not true .I'm hearing the opposite complaint they need to drop the old consoles so the series x will have exclusives. People should make up their minds. The one x and ps4 pro will get the same years of first party support.
Yes, true. Certainly is the case and could continue to be the case.
But the fact remains that if MS decided to undercut Sony it could do so with ease.
I suppose it depends how much importance they place on regaining market share.
This is how you win next gen Price lower than your competitor wile being stronger a battle of attrition MS will take a big lost on hardware profit but will win over the casual gamers They can make it up in Service and Software.
Probably more than $100 seeing how much power they say it has. I always thought it would be at least $500Id be really curious to learn exactly how much they are eating per box sold at 399.
Not true .
Ps5 first parties wont release on ps4 or ps4 pro.
Inly third parties.
And yes drop these old fucks and start the new gen fresh.
Probabaly 400-500 they will lose money regardless even if sold at 600Id be really curious to learn exactly how much they are eating per box sold at 399.
One X will be discontinueI seriously doubt MS will launch Series X at pretty much the same price as the existing One X with Series X being infinitely more capable machine.
I know of no new first party game for ps4 past ghost. That is the final first party game this yearPro released in 2016 and will get first party support until 2020. One X released in 2017 and will get first party support until 2021. Four years each. The same people that pretend to be annoyed by the continued support are the very same people that would cry foul if Microsoft just cut first party support instantly like it happened when 360 launched. Hypocrites.
That anti consumer though if MS want to support their older console why not and it only for their 1st party games they are not forcing 3rd party devs to do it.I know of no new first party game for ps4 past ghost. That is the final first party game this year
Anything past that is ps5 only. First party game that is.
Microsoft will release all first party titles for the next 2 years on old systems.
Both should only release all upcomming titles on new hardware only.
Microsoft has a bit of an identity crisis.That anti consumer though if MS want to support their older console why not and it only for their 1st party games they are not forcing 3rd party devs to do it.
Even if it's $100 more I don't see PS5 selling THAT much less. The PS4 has sold over twice as much as XO. That means BC for PS4 means over twice as much as BC for XO. Plus Xbox has never competed in Europe or Japan. The US and UK sales would have to be ridiculously lopsided.It's interesting to think about. I just can't tell if throwing away a billion dollars is worth that first to 10 million sales goal. Even at $100 more, the PS5 would still be selling. So what is the best case scenario there, 10M vs 6M? And is it worth a billion dollars to make that happen? I really don't know.
Developers are likely to flock more to the next-gen console with the largest install base. I feel like Microsoft recognizes that this is a chicken and egg problem now (they didn't with the Xbox One and thought their domination with the 360 would just magically carry over). If they dump a billion dollars into "winning" the first year of the console war, they probably realize that will translate into better third party support, potential third party exclusives (or Game Pass exclusives), and more people buying Xbox in the future because "my friends are all playing on Xbox".
Was that not how 360 vs PS3 happen Xbox dominate in US and UK to lead most of that gen and PS3 catch up in other territory once the gen was basically over anything can happen a winner is not guarantee it happen from PS2 to PS3 and it Happen from 360 to XBone and it could very well happen with Series X and Series S vs PS5.Even if it's $100 more I don't see PS5 selling THAT much less. The PS4 has sold over twice as much as XO. That means BC for PS4 means over twice as much as BC for XO. Plus Xbox has never competed in Europe or Japan. The US and UK sales would have to be ridiculously lopsided.
That also had PS3 come a year later at $200 more and it's software wasn't nearly where it is today. PS3 outpaced 360 the whole gen and overtook itWas that not how 360 vs PS3 happen Xbox dominate in US and UK to lead most of that gen and PS3 catch up in other territory once the gen was basically over anything can happen a winner is not guarantee it happen from PS2 to PS3 and it Happen from 360 to XBone and it could very well happen with Series X and Series S vs PS5.
That’ll be delightful. I need another generation of Sony being the underdog. Maybe they’ll back UK development again and bring back MotorStorm.Was that not how 360 vs PS3 happen Xbox dominate in US and UK to lead most of that gen and PS3 catch up in other territory once the gen was basically over anything can happen a winner is not guarantee it happen from PS2 to PS3 and it Happen from 360 to XBone and it could very well happen with Series X and Series S vs PS5.
I don't know i don't agree MS has been pretty clear they want you in their eco system so that means PC Xbox Gamepass or Xcloud they don't care as long as they have you in their service they have been pretty clear in saying that with their play anywhere and putting all firsty party games on PC and Gamepass day 1.Microsoft has a bit of an identity crisis.
Its wants to be new fresh powerful wants to show what next gen is capable off though wants those games to run accross all platforms while it already is discontinuing xbox one and probably s and by the looks of it will replace xbox one x with scarlet.
Hence xcloud where the old devices may be able to play those games through streaming.
Its all me guessing but a lot points into that direction.
Yeah that's why I find it so hard to believe it would even be worth it. It's a huge cost to MS for a benefit that may not be much of a benefit anyways. There are probably better things to spend a billion dollars on.Even if it's $100 more I don't see PS5 selling THAT much less. The PS4 has sold over twice as much as XO. That means BC for PS4 means over twice as much as BC for XO. Plus Xbox has never competed in Europe or Japan. The US and UK sales would have to be ridiculously lopsided.
Even Microsoft knows they won't win because of the east and mainland EU. They are just trying to close the gap and be profitable enough to justify existing to the CEO. There is no one who can seriously think this generation won't turn out like the rest Sony winning. The debate really is not if Microsoft can win but if they can go from being outsold 2to1 to something better like 1.75 or 1.5 to 1. Anything more is not realistic.Even if it's $100 more I don't see PS5 selling THAT much less. The PS4 has sold over twice as much as XO. That means BC for PS4 means over twice as much as BC for XO. Plus Xbox has never competed in Europe or Japan. The US and UK sales would have to be ridiculously lopsided.
It only over took the 360 by late 2012-2013 when that gen of gaming was basically over people were already waiting on the Xbox One and PS4 to launch not much of a win when 360 was the leading platform for 3rd party games all of that gen.That also had PS3 come a year later at $200 more and it's software wasn't nearly where it is today. PS3 outpaced 360 the whole gen and overtook it
All that being said I wasnt saying Xbox couldn't sell more I was saying it won't be almost 2:1 in xboxs favor
Probably more than $100 seeing how much power they say it has. I always thought it would be at least $500
I seriously doubt MS will launch Series X at pretty much the same price as the existing One X with Series X being infinitely more capable machine.
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Didn't the PS2 out sold the Original Xbox like 5 to 1 but then 360 vs PS3 happen again anything can happen nothing is set in stone yet do not think just cause a system sold well in one gen than it successor will automatically do the same in a new next gen that not a guarantee look at Wii to Wii U to get your answer.Even Microsoft knows they won't win because of the east and mainland EU. They are just trying to close the gap and be profitable enough to justify existing to the CEO. There is no one who can seriously think this generation won't turn out like the rest Sony winning. The debate really is not if Microsoft can win but if they can go from being outsold 2to1 to something better like 1.75 or 1.5 to 1. Anything more is not realistic.
PS2 vs Xbox was a ten+ year cicle vs a 3 year life cicle when they were already announcing that they have next gen ready for the following year, plus the fiasco of the price (at least in Europe). So it was the perfect storm in favor of Sony.Didn't the PS2 out sold the Original Xbox like 5 to 1 but then 360 vs PS3 happen again anything can happen nothing is set in stone yet do not think just cause a system sold well in one gen than it successor will automatically do the same in a new next gen that not a guarantee look at Wii to Wii U to get your answer.
Game Pass isn’t pure profit. I still doubt that it is profitable at all. There is no way that Microsoft looks to make up a loss on every console sold with what would take years of uninterrupted GamePass subscription.I've been thinking $400 would be the killer price for it for a while now. $500 seems more likely, but if MS dropped it to $400 they could eat that cost with Game Pass subs within months.
Game Pass isn’t pure profit. I still doubt that it is profitable at all. There is no way that Microsoft looks to make up a loss on every console sold with what would take years of uninterrupted GamePass subscription.
I agree the regular gamepass subscription probably is not to profitable 2-3 dollars a month. Ultimate is a good money maker since gold has no real cost to them and is a nearly all profit. So I can see them eating 100 dollars for gamepass only to match Sony to avoid last generations price disparity to start and momentum killer.Game Pass isn’t pure profit. I still doubt that it is profitable at all. There is no way that Microsoft looks to make up a loss on every console sold with what would take years of uninterrupted GamePass subscription.
Yes thats kinda what i say.I don't know i don't agree MS has been pretty clear they want you in their eco system so that means PC Xbox Gamepass or Xcloud they don't care as long as they have you in their service they have been pretty clear in saying that with their play anywhere and putting all firsty party games on PC and Gamepass day 1.
Well then Sony could do the same with PS+ and PSNow subs. They both have subsI've been thinking $400 would be the killer price for it for a while now. $500 seems more likely, but if MS dropped it to $400 they could eat that cost with Game Pass subs within months.
Well then Sony could do the same with PS+ and PSNow subs. They both have subs
No argument regarding Sony having a greater investment in PS than MS does in Xbox, and definitely true for previous Xbox’s, but I think people underestimate or undersell how much more MS cares about Xbox now than the current or previous gen. While it still had its own modicum of success, getting handedly beaten by PS across the board was the perfect catalyst for MS to cut off Xbox altogether like a wounded limb and yet we know they’ve invested more than ever in the division.People who talk about how much money Microsoft has forget how little the company of Microsoft as a whole cares about Xbox.
Sony is MUCH more invested in PlayStation, as it's a larger portion of its business. Nintendo basically IS video games and nothing else. Xbox has never been more than a minor subdivision for Microsoft.
How is it a con? They obviously meant “play where you want” to be in relation to MS devices. It’s not like they came out and guaranteed you could play GP on the next PS or something.That whole "play wherever you want" is a con. Why would Spencer talk about winning next gen? What they actually mean is play the games you bought on Xbox everywhere, because xCloud. They have already said there won't be future Switch games. It's all Xbox/ Windows 10.
"never ever repeating again" Is that so never say never unless your from the future. Just look at Nintendo and the Wii over 100 million Wii sold but than it successor the Wii U only did about 14 million all it takes is 1 big misstep and the fans will turn on you same thing happen with Xbox One launch they lost over 30 million gamers from the 360 to the Xbox One just like Sony lost over 70 Million from the PS2 to PS3 and Nintendo lost over 80 million from Wii to Wii u.PS2 vs Xbox was a ten+ year cicle vs a 3 year life cicle when they were already announcing that they have next gen ready for the following year, plus the fiasco of the price (at least in Europe). So it was the perfect storm in favor of Sony.
The next generation was the perfect storm in favor of MST as all we know and it’s never ever repeating again. This generation Sony didn’t have all the advantages the PS2 had and even if its 100€ pricier the PS5 won’t be anywhere near where the PS3 was (ffs they lost almost all mayor JRPGs like Eternal Sonata, which were temporal or absolute exclusives for the 360).
And that not a bad thing they will support it for like 2 years there are still people who just bought the One X from like last year so supporting it for a little longer is super consumer friendly why is that a bad thing it not like it effect any 3rd party games the people mad over it is probably Playstation people who does not play on a Xbox anyway.Yes thats kinda what i say.
It means there is no need to support the old systems as in release games on them digitaly or physically.
Therefor they could just move to full next gen developments and still offer the game on the old systems via xcloud as stream only.
But they make it sound like they want to support the old systems by making all games to run on those specs.
But Sony does not have their own big monster cloud infrastructure like Microsoft MS cloud infrastructure is top 3 along with Google and Amazon Sony will be using Microsoft Azure for it future cloud and online services did you forget that they made a deal back in 2019 and before that Sony was using Amazon cloud infrastructure to host PS Now to summarize it Sony does not have their own big cloud infrastructure they are renting it.Well then Sony could do the same with PS+ and PSNow subs. They both have subs
Yes thats kinda what i say.
It means there is no need to support the old systems as in release games on them digitaly or physically.
Therefor they could just move to full next gen developments and still offer the game on the old systems via xcloud as stream only.
But they make it sound like they want to support the old systems by making all games to run on those specs.