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[GamerEDM]

 

[CrysisFreak]

analog to digital converter?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Tom said not to read much into the XSX exclusivity part. Games will come to both XSX and XSS.

I feel with sub 4tf machine and digital only 299 is possible.

 

[TTOOLL]

This shit is gonna fail so hard.



Edit: wow, people do like some hot takes lol
But in all seriousness, I didn't mean the xbxs only, I meant the strategy. One these consoles will outsell the other one. Will they keep supporting it?

 

[GamerEDM]

If they get the price right , Xbox Series S is gonna be my new secondary console

 

[martino]

if this is confirmed (especially no disk drive), XSS feel like a console made with mostly gamepass in mind

 

[Mister Wolf]

Should have kept the disc.

 

[RoadHazard]

So they're saving costs on GPU size, cooling and disc drive. Which isn't gonna add up to anything like $300 lower BOM or whatever. So if MS wants this to be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the be PS5 they're gonna have to take a sizable loss on this thing. Which they're maybe okay with.

 

[kikkis]

I still dont see how this wont hinder series x games after halo infinite disaster.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Series S for $299.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I am telling you man, series S has so much potential and Microsoft despite not having major games at launch, has the potential to outsell PS5 because of Series S pricing. I don't see Sony pricing their PS5 DE anywhere as low as Series S.

 

[the_master]

What does it mean on the "Backwards compatibility" Section "XseX: Xbox Series X exclusives; XseS Next-Gen Support"???

 

[Entroyp]

No disk drive? Or no expansion slot?

 

[joe_zazen]

if this is confirmed (especially no disk drive), XSS feel like a console made with mostly gamepass in mind

i think you can say that about the whole of xbox post x1.

 

[PuppetMaster]

So weaker than the Xbox One X and Ps4 Pro as previously rumored. Except that it has an SSD.

 

[Three]

Tom said not to read much into the XSX exclusivity part. Games will come to both XSX and XSS.

I feel with sub 4tf machine and digital only 299 is possible.

Is that meant to be <250W ?

 

[Jon Neu]

299$ plus three months free trial gamepass.

I can see it.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

So weaker than the Xbox One X and Ps4 Pro as previously rumored. Except that it has an SSD.

It will perform better than both due to the IPC improvements Navi provides. 4TF GCN does not perform equally to 4TF RDNA2.

 

[West Texas CEO]

299$ plus three months free trial gamepass.

I can see it.

 

[Entroyp]

Also, the XsX CPU is 3.8 Ghz now?

 

[Jon Neu]

So weaker than the Xbox One X and Ps4 Pro as previously rumored. Except that it has an SSD.

It's stronger than the Xbox One X, and therefore much more stronger than the PS4 Pro.

 

[recursive]

Backward compatibility but no disk drive so you can buy all your games again digitally? Very consumer friendly.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

A great little Gamepass machine for $299. I might cop one.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Is that meant to be <250W ?

Yea that's weird . It can't be above 250 no ? That's too much for such small gpu imo

 

[Jon Neu]

Backward compatibility but no disk drive so you can buy all your games again digitally? Very consumer friendly.

It's going to be the cheaper gamepass console.

I consider that very consumer friendly in the age of COVID.

 

[Anki]

Series S might be a great second console if its priced reasonably.

 

[Eliciel]

I believe it would have been a better idea to go for 6-8 TF to be honest..
Isn't XboneX discontinued?

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Also, the XsX CPU is 3.8 Ghz now?

It always was. It's 3.6GHz with SMT enabled. PS5's GPU has SMT enabled.

So it's 3.6 (xsx) vs 3.5 (ps5)

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I believe it would have been a better idea to go for 6-8 TF to be honest..
Isn't XboneX discontinued?

Why? 4 TF RDNA 2.0 is plenty for 1080p.

 

[Phrixotrichus]

Performance target of the XSS 1440p / 60 fps......

Are they fucking retarded?

 

[Agnostic2020]

It's stronger than the Xbox One X, and therefore much more stronger than the PS4 Pro.

Gpu wise its weaker than x1x even considering rdna 2 vs gcn. 6tf gcn performs better than 4 tf rdna by around 20 %.

4tf rdna acts like 5.1 tf gcn which is still weakep than x1x

But ssd and cpu eats x1x alive

Memory is also worse than x1x so for BC it can not play x1x version but rather x1s versions

 

[UnNamed]

I'm in at 249€.

 

[cireza]

What does it mean on the "Backwards compatibility" Section "XseX: Xbox Series X exclusives; XseS Next-Gen Support"???

Series S will not be able to play Xbox Series X optimized BC games I believe. They will play un-optimized. Just my guess.

 

[Ellery]

yeah this is going to be way less than 250W. Like way less less. 4TF is absolutely nothing at those clocks

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I still dont see how this wont hinder series x games after halo infinite disaster.

Because it's a 1080p machine. Halo Infinite was designed to run on a 2013 XBox One

Brilliant move by MS if they can price it low enough.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Series S will not be able to play Xbox Series X optimized BC games I believe. They will play un-optimized. Just my guess.

Yea xss ram can only play x1s BC not x1x versions

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Gpu wise its weaker than x1x even considering rdna 2 vs gcn. 6tf gcn performs better than 4 tf rdna by around 20 %.

4tf rdna acts like 5.1 tf gcn which is still weakep than x1x

But ssd and cpu eats x1x alive

Memory is also worse than x1x so for BC it can not play x1x version but rather x1s versions

It's 5.1 tf GCN if you assume RDNA 1.0.

With RDNA 2.0 it's closer to 6 tf GCN. And the lower memory doesn't matter much because of the SSD and all the other optimizations. The XSS is much more powerful than the X1X, overall.

Yea xss ram can only play x1s BC not x1x versions

This is utterly and completely wrong.

 

[Jon Neu]

I believe it would have been a better idea to go for 6-8 TF to be honest..
Isn't XboneX discontinued?

I think 4TF is more than enough to run the same games at 1440/1080 + 30fps with less bells and whistles.

Gpu wise its weaker than x1x even considering rdna 2 vs gcn. 6tf gcn performs better than 4 tf rdna by around 20 %.

4tf rdna acts like 5.1 tf gcn which is still weakep than x1x

But ssd and cpu eats x1x alive

Memory is also worse than x1x so for BC it can not play x1x version but rather x1s versions

The GPU has the obvious customization and structure advantage. I'm sure it's going to perform better.

The CPU's are not even in the same universe. The XSS has a much much better one.

And it also has better memory overall with the SSD inclusion.

So yeah, the XSS it's a much better console.

 

[Agnostic2020]

It's 5.1 tf GCN if you assume RDNA 1.0.

With RDNA 2.0 it's closer to 6 tf GCN. And the lower memory doesn't matter much because of the SSD and all the other optimizations. The XSS is much more powerful than the X1X, overall.

For gpu we will see once rdna2 gpus r out.

As for ram no ram amount for games is lower and no ssd can't replace lower available ram for games .hence in backward compatibility xss will play x1s versions not x1x versions .

 

[Allandor]

So weaker than the Xbox One X and Ps4 Pro as previously rumored. Except that it has an SSD.

Apples vs oranges?

You are comparing GCN vs a new RDNA based architecture with much more advanced features to save performance (mesh-shaders, VRS, ...).

Scaling should be quite easy, even with the lower DRAM capacity.
- Lower res -> smaller render target and much less GPU performance needed
- lower res textures -> massive lower memory footprint and lower bandwidth needed
- lower shadow maps -> massive lower memory footprint and lower bandwidth needed
- e.g. no RT -> massive lower memory footprint

In the end, the series s has a massive SSD bandwidth advantage over the xbox series x (because it just doesn't need that much bandwidth with lower overall graphics quality).

And really don't tell me anything about games that would use all the memory for game logic. Since main memory capacity exploded with the last gen, it is almost entirely used as GPU resource (e.g. caching textures). Gamelogic was always very, very small. Even skyrim worked on last gens xbox360 and ps3 and there are not many of those complex games out there. RAM will mainly be used for graphics again and I don't see any reason why that would change.

 

[DavidGzz]

So, imagine if by "XB1X of next gen" it will also be $499 like the XB1X at launch and the S will be $299. Great pricing! Hope it's true.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

As for ram no ram amount for games is lower and no ssd can't replace lower available ram for games .hence in backward compatibility xss will play x1s versions not x1x versions .

You're wrong.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I am telling you man, series S has so much potential and Microsoft despite not having major games at launch, has the potential to outsell PS5 because of Series S pricing. I don't see Sony pricing their PS5 DE anywhere as low as Series S.

I disagree.

If the average customer is presented with 3 (or more) price options, they tend to go to the middle. Companies will deliberately scale their services to take advantage of this. The $x.99 trick on prices is another example of leveraging psychology against customers.

In this hypothetical scenario
XsS - lowest price, lowest specs
PS5 - midrange price, much higher specs
XsX - highest price, even higher specs

The problem shows up if PS5 is a big jump from XsS, but XsX is not as big of a jump over PS5. Customers will "settle" for a midrange option that is "good enough" in terms of power. Brand reputation plays another huge role here. An example would be going to a quik lube or a car wash. The cheapest option is $7, the PREMIUM is $9, and the ULTRA PREMIUM is $17. It is likely that the PREMIUM will get the most sales as it is priced only a bit higher than the normal, and for a vanity service people tend to forget the $ cost.

5 Psychological Hacks That Will Make Your Pricing Page Irresistible | MarTech

How do you get your customers to make the right buying decision? Columnist Neil Patel explores the persuasive powers of the pricing page.

marketingland.com

Microsoft is hoping to squeeze Sony out by offering the cheapest as well as the most powerful option. This is not a controversial observation. However, it is plausible this will work against them, as Sony offers one unified SKU and Microsoft offers two, in addition to the "middle pick" psychological issue mentioned above.

 

[Spukc]

Nice bedroom console make it 200 and i will bite

 

[lmimmfn]

Lots of kids will be disappointed come Christmas asking for an XSX and getting XSS( parents - sure its the same thing but wayyyy cheaper )

 

[LeftThumbstick]

So weaker than the Xbox One X and Ps4 Pro as previously rumored. Except that it has an SSD.

No, it’s much more efficient than the PS4 and Xbox One X... it’s still running the same 8 Core Zen 2 processor at the same clock speed as the XSX, just scaled down GPU and RAM. The GPU is RDNA 2.0 which is much better than anything the old consoles offer.

it will easily beat those two consoles, the FLOPS count doesn’t mean much without context.

 

[MrMiyagi]

So Series X isn't MS's official successor to the Xbox One after all, its the 4Tflops Series S?

 

[T-Cake]

Nice, I really hope it comes in the cube shape (half the size of XSX). If it comes in a shell similar to Xbox One then it's a bit boring really.

 

[PlayVerso]

Microsoft wants to have the most powerful console (X), and also the cheapest console (S).
My question is .... Series S will be a problem for Series X? their games will have to be optimized for Series S as well and could be a problem for developers wanting to exploit Series X?

 

[Thirty7ven]

Mine.

If the market doesn’t respond in numbers this will be terrible for Xbox though. Double edge sword.