MHWilliams
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U.N. envoy calls on Japan to ban "extreme child manga porn"
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Massive Duck. C.M.
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Normal people over here don't respect it
What if someone draws one of these with drawn kids that look like your kids?
Oh, THEN you'll suddenly get why we need to consider drawn child porn along the same lines as actual child porn. It doesn't fucking matter if the picture was made with a camera, pen, or sculpture. It's child porn. Victims of rape still have to feel the damage of an act someone did to them, whether it was themselves videotaped or someone decided to draw them participating in the act. There is only negatives that come with allowing such sick shit to exist.
Old media land? Shit's beyond fucked.
Wait till he finds out that, outside of a few series, most manga is niche stuff that is assumed to only be consumed by introverts.
Silver Arrows
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Anime/Manga GAF incoming?
That GIF doesn't even begin to describe what I'm thinking of.
cpp_is_king
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I think it's also a little harder to claim underage when it's not a real person. The age of most characters in a manga is usually unspecified. Often times you can deduce it based on the social context (for example the person is in grade school, or college, or is a teacher), but most of the time there's not enough context. Even when you can figure it out, they still look younger than you know they are based on the context.
Since anime -- by definition -- has no basis in reality, the line is kind of blurred and I think it would be hard to come up with an enforceable definition of what constitutes underage in anime
Agree that the gravure idol stuff has got to stop though, there's no legitimate defense of that stuff. Same obviously applies of any legitimate CP (although I have no idea the extent of the problem with regards to that)
stump sock
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outlawed this year with a year's grace period to ditch the crap. japan's legal system is fucked up.
and yeah I want to reiterate that child pornography was only made illegal in 2015
LUFTRAUSER
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We've got a live one!
Seductivpancakes
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Japan should work on curbing this first. All sorts of creepy.
Spiritwalker
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uh oh, GAF's in trouble now
Sibersk Esto
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It's been said already but ouch
He probably prefers the usagi drop manga to the anime.
Shit's gross, but I don't know how I would feel about prosecuting someone for possessing depictions of cartoon characters. I mean, I guess maybe imposing fines or something might be ok, but prison time and sex offender registration should be out of the question I think. It's a tricky area to draw a line.
Angelus Errare
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Fuckery will be had in this thread.
John Kowalski
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That would go against the quote in support of artistic expression. If they ban all imagery of children that can be taken sexually then years down from now the law could be incredibly weak and permit all kinds of overreach.
The question is what kind of trade they consider permissible. I'm all for the lessening of sexual imagery in space that is not explicitly erotica, or involving real children. But is that as extreme as sexual imagery in content that is sold as erotica, with all the restrictions that already come with that? What's the mixture they are aiming for? Would it actually reduce the number of sexual crimes against children? It would definitely improve the situation of sexual objectification in Japan, but does that extend to pornography? This is not simple. Especially in Japan.
They are, curiously enough the article is heavily skewed towards that aspect of child exploitation and only passingly mentions manga.
Chet Rippo
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What does this even mean?
You know, you could try to argue against him, you silly gooses.
Gravure idols and sexulisation of real children are a problem that should be eradicated. But it gets more difficult in the realm of total fiction. Are you banning murder in fiction, too?
I don't know, I'd rather pedophiles satisfy their urges with "extreme child manga porn" than actual cp - or even worse actual children.
But at the end of the day I can't argue against banning that stuff, even though who knows what kind of effect this is gonna have. I bet there's alot of people actually relying on this fictional stuff to satisfy their sexual fantasies. If it's banned and harder to obtain they might turn to real children instead...
But at the end of the day I can't argue against banning that stuff, even though who knows what kind of effect this is gonna have. I bet there's alot of people actually relying on this fictional stuff to satisfy their sexual fantasies. If it's banned and harder to obtain they might turn to real children instead...
MHWilliams
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Those in dissent are largely correct though.
You may have issue with it (I generally just dislike it seeping into other works I enjoy), but it's rather difficult to actually enforce as a ban, since the nature of creative work means there's a great deal of variance.
You may have issue with it (I generally just dislike it seeping into other works I enjoy), but it's rather difficult to actually enforce as a ban, since the nature of creative work means there's a great deal of variance.
No you don't.
stump sock
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I mean you'd think that'd be the next logical step
man, the comments on that article. like, who defends even drawn versions of kiddie porn?
no clue. unless the author is just now realizing that a lot of japanese women tend to look younger than their actual age, at least when compared to westerners.
LUFTRAUSER
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I don't think I need to argue. I think they are both part of the same problem.
People don't read murder mysteries because they want to go out and kill someone.
Seductivpancakes
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These kind of comments is up there with over used meme when it comes to annoying and pointless posts.
Try having a discussion with the poster next time and refute his points if you disagree.
cosmicblizzard
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Nothing is going to happen with manga. It's a massive grey area that has big names in a major export industry behind it. Morally, at it's base, it's a victimless crime.
Stuff that includes real children on the other hand absolutely needs to stop, and fortunately it seems they're going in that direction. Shit like junior idos is blegh.
Stuff that includes real children on the other hand absolutely needs to stop, and fortunately it seems they're going in that direction. Shit like junior idos is blegh.
I don't think I need to argue. People don't read murder mysteries because they want to go out and kill someone.
LOL. Best avatar quote I have seen in some time.
stufte
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If it's in the form of erotica, fuck yes?
Tesseract
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it's gross, it's gotta go
stump sock
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this is a dumb argument, and like I was trying to say earlier, it would be a shame if actual literature (or historically/critically important manga) got banned as a result
but if you don't think there's an awful lot of shit out there that has no reason to exist except to cater to a very particular crowd, then you are not aware of what actually exists
What kind of effect does it have? I think pedophiles aren't created by the existence of lolicon content. Pretty sure there are plenty of pefophiles outside Japan and plenty of those who hate anime or don't even know it. It's really a similiar argument with rape fantasy porn, incest or murder in any media.
Eh, it's just a lot of noise really, it gets much easier to ignore it over time.
Chet Rippo
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Yes, but what does it mean?
Aw u beat me
stufte
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Mostmanlyman
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There where a lot of things that where part of cultures that are now gone away, because they where crazy.
SomedayTheFire
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cosmicblizzard
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Wait, are you saying a real act happens and then someone draws it? That's absolutely in poor taste, but once again has no legal precedent unless the artist was taking part in the act.
If it's purely the artist's imagination, thought crime.
I feel obligated to quote this. Damn.
Like pornography laws everywhere, it would sort of be one of those you know it if you see it deals. Most governments that already have bans on the sort of manga in question haven't also banned things like the novel Lolita.
Jokes aside, Japan has pretty strong free speech laws. I doubt anything comes of this, even if there are serious culture issues in Japan regarding the sexualization of children and youths.
My comment was mainly directed towards Japan. What I'm saying is, that kind of material is readily available in stores over there. There's probably plenty of pedophiles that make use of that, and if that's taken from them who knows what they'll turn to instead.
I suppose you're right, though.
I see this come up a lot, so I was wondering whether there are any hard statistics on the spread of people who watch / read it. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few non-pedophiles still occasionally consume hentai featuring child-like characters. I mean, I've watched some really messy porn, but I don't think I'd actually do some of those things in real life. It's a fantasy for a reason.
There's manga detailing things that really happened. I forget it if's Girl in the Concrete Drum or Girl in Concrete, but it's about a girl that was kidnapped and tortured in real life. I doubt her family thought that was too cool.
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