Mobilemofo
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I get the impression that unreal engine 5 is heavy for current consoles. Nanite and lumen tech really make these consoles sweat. Shouldn't the engines be built for the generation of consoles/pcs ?
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Unreal Engine 5 Demo - 4 years later...
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Impressed model but terrible wash out lighting , its like a picture taken with film camera by me .Lords Of The Fallen 2 looks close enough to the demos, and this is a comparatively/relatively "low budget" game from a less seasoned developer. These aren't even the most impressive locations, I didn't realize NG+ wiped your vanilla save, so I can't cap the best stuff. RAW PC maxed:
Spyxos
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I did respond to a comment. And why are you ignoring 50% of the market? It makes no sense.
Schmendrick
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Considering the tech is already being used in multiple smaller games like ......Fortnite:
Ridiculous, pointless comment.
cireza
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Fortnite uses Nanite ? Definitely a game changer.
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RCU005
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If it doesn't get cancelled. I agree!
JackMcGunns
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Hellbalde 2 looks good because the developers (with the help of UE5) are putting time and money to carefully craft an excellent looking game. It's a good showcase of what can be achieved with UE5. I don't think anyone said it looks every bit as impressive as the original tech demo, but it is impressive enough to be a tech demo of its own, despite being a full fledged game and not a glorified FLY-BY demo with no collision detection, AI or gameplay.
Schmendrick
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and Remnant 2 ,Lords of the Fallen, Immortals of Aveum, Brothers, Jusant.... as well as a multitude of announced or shortly realeasing games like Hellblade 2 or Wukong.
You have no idea what you are talking about, just accept it.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Audiophile
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Said it in the graphics thread but I consider UE5 as effectively having been in 'beta' until 5.4. Games maintaining even passable image quality and performance while providing the flagship features (lumen and/or nanite); have been extremely rare. Only now with 5.4 forward does it seem like these things can be done in a performant manner.
It's worth noting that UE4 was very ambitious before PS4/X1 released but pretty much dropped major features out of the gate. It's taken half a generation but at least this time the features have stuck around and been optimised; and are finally looking viable. The extended cross-gen period really dampened things too. I think going into the second half of this gen (especially with PS5 Pro) as well as PS6/UE6, this stuff is gonna get really impressive.
It's worth noting that UE4 was very ambitious before PS4/X1 released but pretty much dropped major features out of the gate. It's taken half a generation but at least this time the features have stuck around and been optimised; and are finally looking viable. The extended cross-gen period really dampened things too. I think going into the second half of this gen (especially with PS5 Pro) as well as PS6/UE6, this stuff is gonna get really impressive.
cireza
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Awesome. They will all continue that amazing trend of UE games wasting more resources to not be better.
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HeWhoWalks
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I didn’t say that they did. The game’s cinematic/linear structure allows them to push those kinds of visuals. It’s their style.
We’re saying the exact same thing.
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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EVERY tech demo trailer was over the top and none of the games ever looked even close to that in the same generation.
Roman Empire
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People need to understand that Tech Demos are not representative of real-time graphics outside of a controlled environment.
Matt_Fox
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The difference is this one was presented as a 'playable' game not just an FMV cut scene.
But yep I guess your point still stands as 4 years later and we're still not close!
Schmendrick
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cireza
Member
And here come the insults. Can't accept UE being criticized ?
This engine is the worst thing that happened to modern gaming. Nanite is barely starting to be used after all this time, and to what gain ? There are more gains at using a purpose built, lightweight engine without all the shit that UE comes with.
Schmendrick
Member
You claim the tech will never be used...then I gave examples of the tech already being in use and suddenly you are just critizing.
Either you have some kind of short term memory issue, in which case I offer my condolences, or you are some stupid kid who simply can`t accept not being right despite being proven wrong.
Comedy gold.
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JackMcGunns
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Not exactly. By saying "The only reason" HB2 looks good... diminishes the effort, the budget, the talent and the goals of the developer.
cireza
Member
Nanite didn't really take the world by storm, otherwise I think more people would be aware of the tremendous improvements it led to in games.
Clever edit removing the insult. So now I am not a giant turd anymore but simply a kid ?
Do you call your own kid a giant turd when you tell him something he wasn't aware of ?
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Schmendrick
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Nanite hasn`t even been available for a full dev cycle yet. What its impact will be remains to be seen.
Anyhow, the point stands that UE5`s Nanite and Lumen are already in use in released and unreleased projects, which irrefutably labels your initial statement in this thread "Fake news".
That jaw dropping Unreal Engine 5 Demo trailer is four years old this month. It presented a Tomb Raider style world, with incredible lighting, physics, fluidity and graphics.
It was the trailer that gave everyone hope that the next gen consoles, releasing later that year, would bring the wow factor.
Four years on and... apart from thinking time flies I'm really not sure what to make of it. Empty promises?
No one is willing to make 500GB games because of Storage prices
mckmas8808
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Tech demos aren't the problem. It's up to developers to make it happen. Almost everything in that trailer is possible on these consoles.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Another great point!
HeWhoWalks
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Good thing I didn’t say “the only reason” then, huh?
daclynk
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we are talk about Unreal Engine is this thread, if you want to talk about 50% of the market, then make another thread.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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I think some games we have today have reached this level of fidelity but remember this was advertised in 2013 for PS4. No way we got lighting and skin texture this good for that generation. To me an even bigger giveaway is the fact that characters still have somewhat slow body language movements. In this tech trailer, the characters are waving their hands around very fast or like in real life when someone gets angry. I am yet to see a game make movements look this believeable, its always some long exposed swing of one arm to the side etc.
Matt_Fox
The problem is all those demos are made as one singular playground. So they can make it work for those 5-10 minutes but then to build the whole game around that, having 10s / 100s of NPC on screen at any time, weather effects etc that just bogs down any potential. All these tech demos are very small worlds with minimum NPCs in the background or much stuff that theres no memmory problems. If they built the whole thing Id say they wouldnt be able to keep up those graphics for the full game in order to everything run perfectly.
Matt_Fox
The problem is all those demos are made as one singular playground. So they can make it work for those 5-10 minutes but then to build the whole game around that, having 10s / 100s of NPC on screen at any time, weather effects etc that just bogs down any potential. All these tech demos are very small worlds with minimum NPCs in the background or much stuff that theres no memmory problems. If they built the whole thing Id say they wouldnt be able to keep up those graphics for the full game in order to everything run perfectly.
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Spyxos
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we are talk about Unreal Engine is this thread, if you want to talk about 50% of the market, then make another thread.
Insane Metal
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The fuck? It's been 5 years already????? My God!
The lighting, shadow and effects are another level in the Samaritan Demo compared to Arkham Knight.
Ribi
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It's transferable tho. All the work in 4 can mostly be ported to 5
iHaunter
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Horizon Forbidden West looked incredible... What're people yammering on about.
Seider
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Thats like beginning a game in Ps4 and then port ir to Ps5.
Thats not a native Next Gen development. That way you wont get Matrix Demo level of quality in your game.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
It feels like a scam to never have released that demo. The Matrix is cool and all but I think this one looks better.
Generative AI should be a huge help to speed up the pipelines.
Kataploom
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I'm currently playing Jedi Survivor and holy shit, it looks pretty similar lots of the time, but with clearly not that much geometry, world looks way more static, but lighting and textures are so good it looks borderline photorealistic too many times, easily the best looking game I've seen so far this gen, save for AW2 which I haven't played... I guess Respawn can get even closer or even match that tech demo on UE5 (I guess it would run like dog shit even more tho)
Feel Like I'm On 42
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No doubt. Jedi Survivor is one of the few games that actually feels "next gen" because it's got RT gi, shadows, and reflections and nice tesselation. Good lighting and depth to the environments. Actually using new graphical features unlike most games this gen.
amigastar
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I think some games we have today have reached this level of fidelity but remember this was advertised in 2013 for PS4. No way we got lighting and skin texture this good for that generation. To me an even bigger giveaway is the fact that characters still have somewhat slow body language movements. In this tech trailer, the characters are waving their hands around very fast or like in real life when someone gets angry. I am yet to see a game make movements look this believeable, its always some long exposed swing of one arm to the side etc.
The problem is all those demos are made as one singular playground. So they can make it work for those 5-10 minutes but then to build the whole game around that, having 10s / 100s of NPC on screen at any time, weather effects etc that just bogs down any potential. All these tech demos are very small worlds with minimum NPCs in the background or much stuff that theres no memmory problems. If they built the whole thing Id say they wouldnt be able to keep up those graphics for the full game in order to everything run perfectly.
I feel Marvel 1943 will be one of the first games to come close ot this demo.
daclynk
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Spyxos
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daclynk
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wow one of those. ok.
Spyxos
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Bernardougf
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Yes it does.. and even so its not something that will blow anyones mind ... people need to stop with this "next gen game" thing ... gens really are a thing of the past.. we entered the age of diminishing returns ... graphics can improve in some areas but is not going to take big leaps anymore until some revolutionary technology is invented... and is not some marginally better resolution, some reflexes on puddles or a little better sun lightning that is going to dramatically change this.
Games are a escapism, something fun to do and it should not imho strive for this photorealism reality thing .... as it is AAA games take too long and are too expensive to make ...
Robocop looked pretty... wish they have spent more time on the awful cringe dialogs, the brain dead AI and repetitive gameplay. Instead of making the water in the street more reflective.
DaGwaphics
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Biggest issues seems to have been the fact that the engine pushed further than hardware (console), which has lead to some low resolutions that hurt clarity. The Matrix demo still provides a great snapshot of things to come from it, the lighting and level of detail in the city presented there is something else.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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I mean we are all talking about older tech demos but at least on paper, U5 has some smart solutions for a game to look massive without as much horsepower needed. But yes, for now, most U5 games I have seen are some indie titles, definately not pushing the graphic fidelity.
mrqs
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I truly hope so.