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[Bernoulli]

We are used to bethesda games not having Denuvo

but since the Microsoft acquisition Deathloop Ghostwire and Redfall all had Denuvo

Will starfield have denuvo too and does that affect mods? On steam i see that it needs to be online

 

[Sybrix]

 

[TVexperto]

I hope so.

 

[amigastar]

I don't really care, i have game pass.

 

[Robb]

Hopefully not. And hopefully you won’t have to sign in to that stupid Bethesda.net stuff to play the game like with Redfall either.

 

[Bernoulli]

I don't really care, i have game pass.

starfield is on gamepass PC too?

 

[Laptop1991]

Yes i believe so, Dishonored 2 had it, and i remember an update to Doom Eternal that introduced an anti cheat rootkit that caused a lot of backlash that had to be removed, so they haven't changed,

 

[amigastar]

starfield is on gamepass PC too?

yep

 

[Draugoth]

Very likely.

Probably not Denuvo, but something like easy anti-cheat.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I was already in like hundreds of times over before playing the demo, but holy shit, it's legitimate and unbiased first contender for GOTY so far which is not a remake (RE4) and it's without a doubt the best SP FF since XII. I can't even imagine what PC you'll need to run this thing even @1080p 60 FPS maxed, cuz even though the game on the PS5 looks great (if not amazing) in motion - all textures look great from stones, rock, leather, iron etc., character models look amazing, you can clearly see on the static screenshots that PS5 can only handle this game with a ton of vaseline the name of which is AMD FSR (or something equivalent) + chromatic aberration. It's a bit less noticable during gameplay, but far more so during in-engine cut-scenes.

Spoiler

But again, it looks great in motion, which is more important. That's in Fidelity/Graphics mode btw.

 

[Gudji]

The bugs will be so many that it doesn't need denuvo.

 

[acm2000]

steam, maybe, ms store, nope

no one should give a damn either way as its really not that big of a deal, stop getting your panties in a twist.

 

[Sybrix]

This thread is almost worth a 'What year is it?!' meme.

Seriously does Denuvo still get people angry?

It's so matter of fact now that it's the norm and nothing will change it.

 

[Spukc]

Denuvo makes people pirate games less.

 

[Juza]

I think there is a compatibility issue with Creation Engine 1 but I don't know about CE2. also Denuvo blocks many mods which will prevent a lot of community fixes.

So, probably won't.

 

[RoboFu]

for about a month probably like everything else.

 

[AJUMP23]

I don't know. Let me call Todd real quick.

 

[Sophist]

Seriously does Denuvo still get people angry?

It has been proved again and again that Denuvo induces worst performances, especially for loading times. An outage of the servers once prevented people to play games for two days. Also, modders can't temper the game files anymore.

 

[SeraphJan]

Sucks for us who only want better performance and modding capability, but publisher will most likely to implement Denuvo for big titles, piracy on PC was always a huge issue

 

[ReBurn]

Bethesda would be crazy to implement Denuvo if it would hamper modding. Modding is one of the main reasons so many of their games have the longevity they do.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Yes i believe so, Dishonored 2 had it, and i remember an update to Doom Eternal that introduced an anti cheat rootkit that caused a lot of backlash that had to be removed, so they haven't changed,

I still haven't changed my doom eternal review to positive on steam, even though the dev left a comment on my review asking me to. If I could have refunded it I would.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Bethesda would be crazy to implement Denuvo if it would hamper modding. Modding is one of the main reasons so many of their games have the longevity they do.

Imagine if the empress version was the only one that can be modded. People's heads would explode.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Bethesda has published tons of games with it, but no Bethesda Game Studio had it yet and i dont think that is going to change.

It seems like they wanted to make a very mod friendly game, drm could make that a headache as it forces you to update in order to play which could break mods. It sucks to have updates constantly break the mods/games and wait days for mod updates only for another update to release and break them again few days later.

Be good like CDPR and give me freedom to play the game without steam forcing shitty gamebricking updates on me.

 

[Beechos]

They prob want to delay what is prob the biggest pc game release in recent memory from being cracked by a day or 2.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

If the Doom games got it you know 100% fact 30FPSField will have it.

 

[YuLY]

Sadly it will probably have it, I hope it is only for a limited time since it kinda affects modding. And Bethesda and mods have gone hand in hand for like 2 decades now.

 

[amigastar]

Sadly it will probably have it, I hope it is only for a limited time since it kinda affects modding. And Bethesda and mods have gone hand in hand for like 2 decades now.

Yeah, i wouldn't mind if it would be for like 3-4 months and then they remove denuvo to make modding easier.

 

[winjer]

Probably, yes.

 

[MMaRsu]

Zero Microsoft published games have had it so far though

 

[Bernoulli]

Zero Microsoft published games have had it so far though

The new ghostwire got it when it didn't have it before

 

[MMaRsu]

The new ghostwire got it when it didn't have it before

Hmm that sucks

 

[Bernoulli]

Hmm that sucks

That's why i think this will have it too
Microsoft can get a cheap deal to package all their games with denuvo

 

[MMaRsu]

Thats ass, I hope they dont. Either way already got my steam preorder

 

[winjer]

Zero Microsoft published games have had it so far though

Redfall, Doom Eternal and Deathloop have Denuvo.
So does Ghostwire Tokyo, as stated by Bernoulli.

With this track record, Starfield is very likely to also use it.

 

[MetalRain]

That's why the system requirements are so high

 

[MMaRsu]

Redfall, Doom Eternal and Deathloop have Denuvo.
So does Ghostwire Tokyo, as stated by Bernoulli.

With this track record, Starfield is very likely to also use it.

But a game like Starfield is so heavy on CPU, to put another CPU heavy dependant DRM on top of it would be really stupid.

 

[winjer]

But a game like Starfield is so heavy on CPU, to put another CPU heavy dependant DRM on top of it would be really stupid.

This is Bethesda....

 

[YuLY]

Probably yes and it will ruin modding. Just when I think we will probably have story mods with new planets added that have hand crafted content by modders, they will go with Denuvo.

 

[Wildebeest]

Almost all the PC game mods that run on their games use script extender code in a fan made dll. If they use Denuvo to try to claw a pathetic handful of sale from pirates, the stink will be legendary, and many long term fans will probably go out of their way to only use pre-hacked pirate copies in response.

 

[StereoVsn]

Almost all the PC game mods that run on their games use script extender code in a fan made dll. If they use Denuvo to try to claw a pathetic handful of sale from pirates, the stink will be legendary, and many long term fans will probably go out of their way to only use pre-hacked pirate copies in response.

Yep, and yet most likely it will still have Denuvo. You can make a similar argument about AMD partnership on PC side... and yet here we are.

Which is why pre-ordering thai game on PC is not something that anyone should be doing.

 

[baphomet]

They prob want to delay what is prob the biggest pc game release in recent memory from being cracked by a day or 2.

Why would that matter?

It's on game pass so it'll only sell a small fraction of the copies it would have.

 

[MMaRsu]

Yeah with regards to mods I cant imagine them going with Denuvo, considering Todd said its a modders dream.

 

[winjer]

Yeah, Todd Howard never lied to gamers....

 

[Shubh_C63]

I think it still affects modding.
and they said it will be the easiest moddable game.

I think No.

 

[mrcroket]

Why would that matter?

It's on game pass so it'll only sell a small fraction of the copies it would have.

Game pass is not free, and starfield will generate many subscriptions for months, so yeah, it matters.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Steam page doesn't say it has (and should already if it had) plus it would kill mod support.

 

[Draugoth]

Both Ghostwire and Deathloop have denuvo, so yes.

 

[MrA]

This thread is almost worth a 'What year is it?!' meme.

Seriously does Denuvo still get people angry?

It's so matter of fact now that it's the norm and nothing will change it.

I wonder what the ven diagram of people that hate drm and those that slobber over digital only future looks like

 

[GymWolf]

After the partnership with amd i expect the worse, they clearly don't care about their game running well.

 

[MMaRsu]

This thread is almost worth a 'What year is it?!' meme.

Seriously does Denuvo still get people angry?

It's so matter of fact now that it's the norm and nothing will change it.

Wrong, Elden Ring launched without it and sold millions

As do many other games.