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[Lunar Aura]

I dont know about all of you but for me the $400 is pretty justifyable. the $299 is better yes but I think this will better help understand MS thinking and why what they did was right as long as they have an equal SKU amount at launch.

November 2001-Present day.

Any hardcore or above casual gamer may have spent the following

XBOX- $299
Xbox LIVE w/ wired headset- $50
Controller S after the horrendous pack in -$40
HDTV owners ~$25 iirc for an HD pack

total- $414

November 2005

Xbox 360- $399
Wireless headset- $0
transferable XBL account- $0 i'm guessing...if not FU M$.
Best controller since the controller S and wireless to boot? -$0
HD cables- $0

total- $399

Casual gamer or CAG who just wants in in 2005?

Xbox 360- $299
gamers who had xbl and still wanna play?-$0 assuming you can use your old headset
Wired controller STILL better than the duke?-$0

total- $299

final result? in 2005 the 360 can in some ways be a better value than the original xbox was.

Yes theres no hard drive but those who aren't gunning for one still will have a fantastic library of exciting new games to choose from. I understand the frustration over the accessories but blasting MS for a $20 faceplate is kinda lame when sony charged the same amount for a hip blue stand and we alllllllllll bought em. :lol thoughts?

 

[fiddlestick]

thank you! we really wanted another thread about this!

 

[Mr_Furious]

iirc, component cables do cost extra.

 

[sangreal]

The headset isn't wireless, btw.

You also forgot the memory card you'll need for the $299 version

iirc, component cables do cost extra.

the $399 sku comes with component cables

 

[strikeselect]

You forgot the play and charge kit for the wireless controller

 

[element]

transferable XBL account- $0 i'm guessing...if not FU M$.

you can transfer your account AFAIK.

iirc, component cables do cost extra.

the cables are component/composite. 6 plugs. 3 for component, 2 audio, 1 (yellow) composite.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

You forgot to add the price of one game that would come with the XBL kit.
$360 (Holy shit, I just thought of the perfect pitch for the 360..), $414, $460. So yea, the hardcore 360 package still costs more.

 

[The Faceless Master]

that xbox has a price thats to high, the controller s sucks, and shouldnt be counted towards the price

also 3rd party HD cables are like $10

DUKE FOREVER!

 

[ChrisReid]

You forgot the play and charge kit for the wireless controller

That's really not worth it. A $10 brick of 50 AAs from Costco will last you a couple years.

 

[The Faceless Master]

That's really not worth it. A $10 brick of 50 AAs from Costco will last you a couple years.

costco membership: $??? (i dunno)

 

[Lunar Aura]

thank you! we really wanted another thread about this!

your welcome. i just thought it'd be easier outside of the bickering and trolling. a common ground with a levelheaded comparison ya know? I dont remember my XBL kit coming with a full game. IIRC it was the motoGP demo? With a good amount of the games being LIVE there will be no need for primer demos.

 

[The Faceless Master]

okay, here's the real comparison...

Xbox- $300
The Duke- $0
Xbox LIVE w/ wired headset- $50
3Rd party HD AV Cable- $10 (everyone knows any decent set will do)

total- $360

Xbox 360- $400
Headset- $0
XBL Account (expires in nov/dec if you got LIVE at the LIVE launch) - $50
Wireles Controller-$0
HD cables- $0

total- $450

NICE TRY THO BUDDY, AMIRITE?

 

[bdoughty]

Something must have changed but if you now go to the Xbox specs/comparisons the "Core System" now includes the HD/AV cables. Most sites and MajorNelson were claiming it came with only a standard a/v cable.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360console.htm

Shows up on both SKU's now.


Edit: WTF? Hmm gues it depends on what page of the Xbox site you go to. Fire that webmaster.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360choice.htm

 

[Lunar Aura]

NICE TRY THO BUDDY, AMIRITE?

mmm...fuzzy math.

 

[FiRez]

The problem is that the HD ISN'T FUC**** STANDARD ANYMORE

 

[bdoughty]

The problem is that the HD ISN'T FUC**** STANDARD ANYMORE

They never claimed it was the Hard Drive gerneration. To me the "core unit" should at the very least have the HD cables since they are calling it the High Def generation.

 

[demi]

LUNAR AURA

WHAT THE FUCK MAN

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

GET ON IRC

WE NEED TO TALK

 

[The Faceless Master]

Controller S after the horrendous pack in -$40

mmm...fuzzy math.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Ponn]

final result? in 2005 the 360 can in some ways be a better value than the original xbox was.

Yes theres no hard drive but those who aren't gunning for one still will have a fantastic library of exciting new games to choose from. I understand the frustration over the accessories but blasting MS for a $20 faceplate is kinda lame when sony charged the same amount for a hip blue stand and we alllllllllll bought em. :lol thoughts?

The biggest comparison between Xbox and Xbox 360? Without a HDD standard what do they have over the PS3 now? They are setting themselves up for a fall unless they are banking on the PS3 to launch at 500 bucks.

 

[Suikoguy]

The biggest comparison between Xbox and Xbox 360? Without a HDD standard what do they have over the PS3 now? They are setting themselves up for a fall unless they are banking on the PS3 to launch at 500 bucks.

Translation:
I never expected anybody to actually take my bait.

 

[J2 Cool]

You forgot Halo vs. No Halo.

 

[Mupepe]

People actually bought that stupid ps2 stand?? I just stood it up on the side of my tv and a cabinet or whatever the hell else was beside it at the time.

 

[Zaptruder]

The PS2 stood without the friggin stand! It even had a smaller footprint without the stand!

But the stand was kinda cool looking.

 

[Benedict]

guess what the xbox cost in sweden when it was released here ?


$590 standard package. (4500sek)

 

[StRaNgE]

I dont know about all of you but for me the $400 is pretty justifyable. the $299 is better yes but I think this will better help understand MS thinking and why what they did was right as long as they have an equal SKU amount at launch.

November 2001-Present day.

Any hardcore or above casual gamer may have spent the following

XBOX- $299
Xbox LIVE w/ wired headset- $50
Controller S after the horrendous pack in -$40
HDTV owners ~$25 iirc for an HD pack

total- $414

November 2005

Xbox 360- $399
Wireless headset- $0
transferable XBL account- $0 i'm guessing...if not FU M$.
Best controller since the controller S and wireless to boot? -$0
HD cables- $0

total- $399

Casual gamer or CAG who just wants in in 2005?

Xbox 360- $299
gamers who had xbl and still wanna play?-$0 assuming you can use your old headset
Wired controller STILL better than the duke?-$0

total- $299

final result? in 2005 the 360 can in some ways be a better value than the original xbox was.

Yes theres no hard drive but those who aren't gunning for one still will have a fantastic library of exciting new games to choose from. I understand the frustration over the accessories but blasting MS for a $20 faceplate is kinda lame when sony charged the same amount for a hip blue stand and we alllllllllll bought em. :lol thoughts?

i must be super tired cuz i just do not see the price of the launch of the 1st xbox in there as comparison like the title says.

 

[Socreges]

final result? in 2005 the 360 can in some ways be a better value than the original xbox was.

Of course, "in some ways" means 1) assuming that people won't have to pay for Live and 2) adding $40 to the Xbox price since the original controller sucked. Neither excuses the prices being comparable.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Then:

Online 'experts' say that there will be no console generation for Microsoft after this upcoming one.

Now:

Online 'experts' say that there will be no console generation for Microsoft after this upcoming one.

 

[AB 101]

Something must have changed but if you now go to the Xbox specs/comparisons the "Core System" now includes the HD/AV cables. Most sites and MajorNelson were claiming it came with only a standard a/v cable.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360console.htm

Shows up on both SKU's now.


Edit: WTF? Hmm gues it depends on what page of the Xbox site you go to. Fire that webmaster.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360choice.htm

Well, as they are hyping HD, they sure as hell better ship both versions with component cables. The cost difference has to be extremely minimal.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Xbox 360 better have an optical sound port out of the box. There's no excuse not to.

You can just buy some good component cables for $20 or less.

 

[truffleshuffle83]

not to mention inflation costs. 299 5 years ago would be about 357 now assuming a moderate average of 3% yearly inflation. get over it people. the only thing i wish they would have done was make the HDD standard for developers to take advantage of instead of splitting the market.

as for digital optical sound, i dont see why not, the last xbox branded component cables included it

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

not to mention inflation costs. 299 5 years ago would be about 357 now assuming 3% yearly inflation. get over it people. the only thing i wish they would have done was make the HDD standard for developers to take advantage of

Inflation has been that much

As much as I was pissed at the $400 X360, I'll see some media on DW5 Special and RR6 and can't pass up the temptation. Microsoft has me by the balls, I admit it.

 

[Apharmd Battler]

I forgot what I paid for my laucnh XBox, thanks for the info.

 

[LakeEarth]

Nevermind, the $399 deal does come with a harddrive, my bad. I don't know why I thought otherwise.

 

[truffleshuffle83]

THE $399
COMES WITH A HARD DRIVE???? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT


$99 FOR A HARD DRIVE ISNT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. LOOK AT THE COST OF THE OTHER ACCESSORIES INCLUDED IN THE VALUE PACK, ITS WELL OVER $200, SO JUST THINK OF IT AS GETTING THE HDD FREE. NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT ALLOWS BC AND APPEARS TO HAVE GAME AND OR VIDEO CONTENT ON IT.

 

[Lunar Aura]

:lol

the price doesnt matter. when the first videos of the finished games are released the hecklers wont be able to resist

 

[rastex]

Err... why hasn't anyone slapped on the $99 for the harddrive that isn't included this time around?

The $400 version of 360 comes with a HDD. And, depending on how you use Live, if you only use it for downloads and voice chat or whatever, then you can knockoff the $50.

 

[ManDudeChild]

THE $399
COMES WITH A HARD DRIVE???? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT


$99 FOR A HARD DRIVE ISNT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. LOOK AT THE COST OF THE OTHER ACCESSORIES INCLUDED IN THE VALUE PACK, ITS WELL OVER $200, SO JUST THINK OF IT AS GETTING THE HDD FREE. NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT ALLOWS BC AND APPEARS TO HAVE GAME AND OR VIDEO CONTENT ON IT.

USING CAPS IS FUN!!!!

The $99 HDD is a big deal. Do you even know how much a 20 GB HDD should be going for?

 

[LakeEarth]

The $400 version of 360 comes with a HDD. And, depending on how you use Live, if you only use it for downloads and voice chat or whatever, then you can knockoff the $50.

Oh...I was under the impression that the $399 deal didn't come with the harddrive. Well okay, I'm dumb.

 

[truffleshuffle83]

USING CAPS IS FUN!!!!

The $99 HDD is a big deal. Do you even know how much a 20 GB HDD should be going for?

instead of complaining about the caps you should have read the post!!!. compare the total extra cost of the accessories if you just buy the core pack. the hard drive is essentially a freebie

 

[Dr_Cogent]

instead of complaining about the caps you should have read the post!!!. compare the total extra cost of the accessories if you just buy the core pack. the hard drive is essentially a freebie

Boy MS has got you fooled dude.

 

[truffleshuffle83]

hey guess what, quit complaining and dont buy the system

core system 299
remote-30
hd cables-30
difference og controllers-10
memory card-40

total= 410

value pack=399
everything above + HDD=0
except 20 gig HDD-64 mb

ms has you fooled

 

[Barrage]

Does anyone know if DVD will work out of the box on the 360, or if you need to buy another fucking remote?