Barack Lesnar
Banned
Can someone tell me the story behind the awesome gamecrate/newegg data? Before you ask, I did read the last 5-6 pages looking for some info. Thx
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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Awesomely apt. Nice one.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I dunno what happened in the last few pages and really, I'm trying to avoid reading it. If any body has an idea of how many units 3D world sold this month, though, that would be great.
It's no prioritization, but user experience happens to play a role in feelings towards a console. Waiting one minute to boot the console was way too long at launch, and people talked about that negatively, a lot. Now you don't read such regular comments on how slow the OS is. That's partly because you can now access the boot of a game in 2 seconds. That's night and day with what it was like at launch, and it surely plays some hidden role in Wii U's overall good buzz.
veritassin
Banned
Not to mention they've talked about absorbing the wii u architecture which I take to mean BC with wii u as a starting point.
They'd been leaking the data for about 4 months but nobody noticed because of the no nameness of the site. Then (apparently
source : Amir0x benny_a. He may have been joking
most but not all
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Ahh, so we won't be getting them again? Damn. Thx for the explanation
...busted?
no way man. I am occasionally told some hard numbers, but nothing on the scale of what was being posted at that site. And I would not give them out after being told in confidence, unless I felt the person telling me in confidence was trying to use me in some sense or doing something wrong in what he was saying.
Shit, there's still a story I could tell NeoGAF (maybe at the end of this generation when it won't effect anything) about a phone call I got, and I still go back and forth in my head whether to share it because it was in confidence, even though it was seriously fucked up and proved neoGAF was being intentionally lied to by certain posters. But I have a problem sharing things people tell me in confidence... washed out ethical code or some shit. Yes bros, I do have an ethical code
Karsticles
Member
Certain...trusted posters?no way man. I am occasionally told some hard numbers, but nothing on the scale of what was being posted at that site. And I would not give them out after being told in confidence, unless I felt the person telling me in confidence was trying to use me in some sense or doing something wrong in what he was saying.
Shit, there's still a story I could tell NeoGAF (maybe at the end of this generation when it won't effect anything) about a phone call I got, and I still go back and forth in my head whether to share it because it was in confidence, even though it was seriously fucked up and proved neoGAF was being intentionally lied to by certain posters. But I have a problem sharing things people tell me in confidence... washed out ethical code or some shit. Yes bros, I do have an ethical code
At the time, yes. Now, no. Other deceptions were outed publically so it was unnecessary to add any of my fuel.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
140k monthly is not great sales where we have market leaders doing 400k monthly.
But we have 140k sales in a market where the market leader is selling like a previous gen second place console did.
Can we start looking seriously at the contraction yet, or is it still too wrapped up in console wars bullshit for people to admit that shit sales numbers from previous gens are actually a thing you're going to be seeing a lot more often?
serversurfer
Member
If Activision, EA, and Ubisoft announce tomorrow that they're dropping support for the XBone, you don't think that 98% of the people who were considering the XBone would just buy a PS4 instead? They'd rather give up gaming?
150M customers is 150M customers. If they're all on the same platform, it makes things cheaper for developers, and gamers get nothing but exclusive-quality games.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
It is fairly contradictory and odd. Especially since they had such a huge install base, they could have released just about anything good and it would have made them money.
No, we can't discuss that. In fact, I never would even make a topic dipping my toe into such an absurd thought. It's ridiculous on the surface!
Seriously click the link for that thread I made. It's my exact concern back in February 2014, and nothing has changed now. And NeoGAF had 16 (or 8) pages of very insightful discussion, so we can handle it just fine. We're a great forum.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
You're expecting PS4 + Xbone to hit 150m combined this gen?
Surely you mean first place console since 360 has/will shortly pass Wii in the US!
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Wii U is up YoY which I guess is good. 140k wasn't bad, but MK8 is still probably the primary mover. Hopefully it can keep momentum going for the thing into the fall for Smash Bros.
XBO either gaining, or experiencing that kinect death bump.
XBO either gaining, or experiencing that kinect death bump.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
No, we can't discuss that. In fact, I never would even make a topic dipping my toe into such an absurd thought. It's ridiculous on the surface!
I obviously missed that, but in light of that I'm surprised you're so dismissive of the wiiu jitting the numbers it did for June.
EDIT:
No.
Because;
a) first / second / third in sales on a monthly basis is irrelevant to who 'wins'
b) best seller is selling shit compared to PS2, not just Wii
I still can't believe Nintendo abandoned Wii to such a degree that this was able to happen
my mind is constantly blown at this fact
MrNyarlathotep said:
I'm only dismissive of anyone calling it a "recovery." It had one month, which by any standard previously is still shit sales, and even by the standards of THIS gen is poor sales, and there is literally zero indication that anything is going to change that trajectory, as the industry transitions fully to releasing their big products for PS4/XBO/PC only. In other words, there's really no scenario I can see in which Wii U can ever be a "success" by any real metric, unless Nintendo can manage to turn a profit on it like they did with Gamecube. But the indications currently is that has not happened, as far as I'm aware.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
"MK8 is great, but i don't like the WiiU."
-Epicurus
-Epicurus
serversurfer
Member
Oh, it wasn't really intended to be a guess. It's just a bit less than what they've sold in Gen7, to account for some overlap.
The point is, if you have 100M (or whatever) "gamers" you can sell games to, then rather than having 60M own one platform and 60M own another, you're better off if 95M of them all owned the same platform, so you can safely ignore the other. You'd be making about the same amount of money, spending less money, and can better utilize the platform in question. So devs win, and by extension, gamers win, since they get more games, which are better quality and take less time to develop.
Competition is good for gamers. A lot of the more niche first-party games/moneyhatted games won't exist in your scenario. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have all been arrogant at times and screwed up their platforms. If you have a virtual monopoly you'd probably see that again from any company in charge.
What happened to this thread
Plato, Socrates, Galileo and Epicurus have changed our perception about NPD numbers
I'mnotfamousanymortimer
theprodigy
Member
What happened to this thread
"The June 2014 NPD thread heralds the renewal of hope for some."
-Epicurus
lol
Aha, let's bash everybody really tenaciously, perhaps entire NeoGAF lies like Obama.
Naw, wasn't him.
You do realize that the Wii U isn't even beating the Xbox One in a period in which the system has probably its biggest/most popular game right (Mario Kart)? Xbox One hasn't had a major exclusive in a while.
And not stomping in comparison to what the PS4 is doing to the Xbox One? Xbox One has had multiple months in which sales were triple what the Wii U sold. There was also a month in which the Xbox One sold over 4 times what the Wii U sold during a month outside Holiday shopping season (March). PS4 iirc at most has sold double in comparison to the Xbox One for NPD and that was in January when the Xbox One was a little bit over 100K and the PS4 was a little bit over 200K. For the PS4 to stomp the Xbox One more than what the Xbox One is doing to the Wii U, the PS4 needs to pretty much sell like the original Wii -- multiple 400K+ months that aren't part of the Holiday season.
I like the Wii U and will be playing it for the rest of this gen due to Mario Kart 8 alone but this sales comparison is silly.
???
Yeah... Both games will sell well and both will more than likely help sell systems since they are both coming out in November.
So just because of that the system should be directly compared to the Wii U? Even though the system hasn't had multiple months below 100k (like the Wii U)? None of this makes any sense...
geordiemp
Member
All I can see is that pre-Christmas numbers are higher this gen and lower through the year.
Is it a decline ? Or could it be people spend more with credit pre Christmas than previous generations.
All we know is months on market, current gen is higher. It will take until next Xmas to fully see the new trend.
PS Whats with reference to console wars ? Predicting sales and trends in our hobby can be fun you know.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Exactly. Its really funny seeing certain posts thinking that the WiiU has turned around when all thats happened is the release of MK and a mediocre hardware bump for one month.
Your missing the point.
360 will end up number 1 in NPD last gen.
So far PS4 is staying notably ahead of the 360 so yes it is performing like a "1st place console" whatever that means.
As long as the Ps4 keeps up with the 360 (US) it would be very successful.
They were just out of ideas for motion control, and couldn't come up with any more novel controllers that would engage their audience. The highly limited nature of motion control was what ultimately strangled them.
They could have continued to put out traditional games like NSMBU and Donkey Kong, but I think it's clear that those titles weren't engaging their expanded audience very much.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I'd say it'd due to rise online delivery and greater general awareness of the products due to prolific use of media such as the internet, leading to people being persuaded to buy consoles earlier and so the sales are more front loaded. We are talking about time difference approaching a decade.
i'm confused as to your last point considering both Donkey Kong and NSMBU sold an ungodly amount of millions. I think they could have still healthily supported the system with solid games and would have made the Wii last much longer with positive sales, but that's just me.
^^^
Bwahaha. Lol I'm sorry. It was benny_a. My post about him joking makes more sense now. MY BAD.
haha, alright. I was like "man I sure do some crazy shit in my sleep" lol
This generation is fundamentally different because the big games have remained cross-gen. Even big next gen titles like Destiny and Titanfall still have last gen releases. Forza Horizon is also cross-gen so even the first party studios are getting in on the action of unwillingness to abandon last gen.
From the perspective of the PS360 owner, that's great news because it sucks when your console gets abandoned by devs. From the perspective of people on this forum counting launch-aligned numbers, it obviously demonstrates a slower adoption of next gen consoles and makes people think the industry is in danger.
Watch how many consoles sell once CoD can no longer be purchased on last gen.
Toward Kev's point, Snakes on a Plane had very significant internet buzz and performed pretty low.
CoD: World at War sold more than CoD4 according to Activision (which did 12 million units), yet has a 932 post thread on the forum.
How much people talk about something on the internet versus how many people go and buy it is not a clear driver.
Is it a positive? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's going to have a substantial effect in the same way the opposite can be true.
You have to first show some sustained level of success before you can tell if a product's word of mouth is actually starting to drive a positive feedback loop. You can't jump immediately to a statement of huge game changing success especially if the initial result wasn't a major unprecedented event.
Just look at the Vita. The thing shot up gigantic amounts with the Borderlands bundle and is now quite far back down. If you go look on twitter about how people feel about the system, they love it, but that's not transferring to sales.
CoD: World at War sold more than CoD4 according to Activision (which did 12 million units), yet has a 932 post thread on the forum.
How much people talk about something on the internet versus how many people go and buy it is not a clear driver.
Is it a positive? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's going to have a substantial effect in the same way the opposite can be true.
You have to first show some sustained level of success before you can tell if a product's word of mouth is actually starting to drive a positive feedback loop. You can't jump immediately to a statement of huge game changing success especially if the initial result wasn't a major unprecedented event.
Just look at the Vita. The thing shot up gigantic amounts with the Borderlands bundle and is now quite far back down. If you go look on twitter about how people feel about the system, they love it, but that's not transferring to sales.
I think the issue was:
1) They assumed that third parties would carry the system after Nintendo's solid output the first 2-3 years.
2) They switched gears toward developing for the 3DS and later the Wii U.
3) They didn't really know how to move their expanded audience from Wii Sports, Fit, and MKWii over to more traditional-style games.
I so wish Vita had a chance though. I will miss this final age of gaming dedicated handhelds
Donkey Kong was not a megahit evergreen title that earlier stuff was, and I don't think NSMBU measured up either. I think they were continually wanting to hit it out of the park with the expanded audience rather than cater to their built-in fanbase. They just burned out trying to chase a really fickle audience that wants unique and novel experiences. So instead of falling back on the Nintendo-faithful they just moved on to a new platform that could seemingly provide more unique and novel experiences. Nobody sent them the memo that all the grandmas and soccer moms had stuff the Wii into a closet along with toy guitars and DDR pads.
Could they have made more money if they had a busier release schedule in 2010 and 2011? Definitely, but I think those additional traditional games would not really have shored up support for the WiiU.
Wait, I'm confused. NSMBWii is different from NSMBU, are we talking about the same game? We're talking about the end of Wii's life, not Wii U right?
Because while NSMBU and Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze did not perform as well as their evergreen titles from the past (that is, the Wii U titles), New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold 28 friggin' million units, and Donkey Kong had sold nearly 5 million by the end of March 2011.
These are spectacular sales.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
People saying Wii U had a decent month are missing the point. Yes, it sold much better than it did in prior months. But how sustainable is this bump? And secondly, would the strategy of a genuine price drop + MK8 had a synergistic effect that would have been more beneficial? That's what I'm arguing. The Wii U has enough games now, but the price is a big deterrence.
I was about to say the price is perfect thinking it was 200 already with all the sales and the refurbed wii u direct from Nintendo. I'm surprised this system is still 300. I'm guessing they will wait till after Smash Bros. to drop the price, knowing Ninty it will only be 50 dollar drop and still won't be a big enough drop to boost significantly until it hits 200.
200 is the sweet spot for me (I'm 33 and no longer hold day1 purchases in any regard anymore) I just got a PS4 only because I was able to score it for a little over 200 with the Target coupons and the 300% trade in target had a couple months ago when I exhausted all my gamecube games.
Canis lupus
Member
Well the reason the El Dorado was found out was because benny posted the gamecrate links on gaf, lots of lurkers in this thread are here looking for leaks/linformation from creamsugar to post on their site and with those links they had direct access, and yeah your analogy fits well here. Thanks Lexxus/tuway for ruining the party to everyone, we had 1 source for clear-cut numbers and that's gone now.
What the hell are you even talking about?