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Nintendo Going Mobile: Smartphone Game Deal with DeNA [First Games Fall 2015]
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Oh I know, I was right there with you catching a ton of shit for stating the obvious. There is a degree of satisfaction to be had, for sure.I needed a little gloating. I was called an idiot more times than I can count in those threads.
To eat my own crow, I thought this wouldn't happen until Iwata was fired. Good on him for responding to reality.
7DollarHagane
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There's still some console development and indie games coming from Japan.
Monster hunter is still huge and getting bigger in the west.
The light is not yet extinguished!
DragonSworne
Banned
With this announcement there is some bad news: fewer games.
Seems like the type of games Nintendo will release on mobile will eat up a lot of resources, similarly to what an MMO does to a company.
One easy way to combat the lack of releases in the future is to make the virtual console available on mobile.
Seems like the type of games Nintendo will release on mobile will eat up a lot of resources, similarly to what an MMO does to a company.
One easy way to combat the lack of releases in the future is to make the virtual console available on mobile.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The controls aren't nearly as big of an issue as the fact that the mobile install base doesn't actually buy video games.
shinra-bansho
Member
I meant to write prevent, rather than present.
But your response seems relevant regardless.
Is there anything currently on the Play Store or AppStore that one can install onto iOS and Android that essentially amounts to a standalone storefront. Is that not what they intend here? And is there anything that actually prevents that?
From what I understand, DeNA's current model is the download of their Mobage app which serves as a platform for game delivery. Although, I'm not hugely familiar with it and haven't used it so I don't know if and how one pays for specific games within the platform.
Gucci Messiah
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Nintendo has the best developers on the world, the whole 'brand devaluation' argument was dumb then and the announcement today proves it. Nintendo puts more love and care into their games than any other company out there, why would going to mobile suddenly change this?
Pro tip: it won't
Except Iwata said that it wouldn't result in that.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
They are not developing for Windows phone according to a tweet gamespot just retweeted. So all of this news about mobile gaming means nothing to me now.
I'm pretty sure he was only talking about mobile games.
JB-the-Hunter
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I... don't see how it makes a difference. It'd be one thing if Nintendo was releasing all their big console games on mobile, but they're not. This is not going to have any more effect on the Wii U than the 3DS does. They'll all have different games and features.
TheSlySoul
Member
Some people don't like the idea of "still keep main games on your system, put Touch Generations games on mobile."
Fortune Street has a mobile game. The horror!
7DollarHagane
Banned
That's true as well.
Maybe they need a revival of the old play choice 10 model? Lol
I'm eating it. I still think it will hurt their dedicated game devices business. But this partnership is more than "Nintendo should put some old games on mobile", they are trying to get a significant part of this pie and I think financially they will be better.
As for the games quality, we will see. Not that this year has started too well for Nintendo in that area anyhow.
How about you read up first. That will explain things.
It's tough to guess what kind of games they consider using smart devices' strength. Games like Animal Crossing and Tomodachi Life can be worked into touchscreen, but I don't think Nintendo would put the next installment of AC/TL on mobile, else why would anyone buy Nintendo's next hardware. But putting super simple, meaningless game would make the efforts half-assed and I don't think they need a partnership with DeNA either.
pinkurocket
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That is one thing Nintendo wouldn't do... I think. Remember how Nintendo actually got positive press for keeping Animal Crossing without microtransactions. Nintendo will hopefully be able to find a balance between low cost/free apps and a way for them to make profit without too terrible F2P mechanics. We'll see...
The mobile games market makes more money than the dedicated games market in Japan. What are you talking about?
Sorceror12
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The article is a bit confusing to be honest. NX is a platform, doesn't necessarily mean hardware, could be a software platform. They do speak about new "the new hardware system" however it's then discussed separately to NX.
If i understand this correctly, NX is the new membership platform taking over for club nintendo and will be accessible across all devices, smart phones, pc, tablets, wii u, 3ds, and the new hardware system. Or am I wrong? Also, a lot of people are jumping the gun saying nintendo games will be on mobile now, but it doesn't read that way.
If i understand this correctly, NX is the new membership platform taking over for club nintendo and will be accessible across all devices, smart phones, pc, tablets, wii u, 3ds, and the new hardware system. Or am I wrong? Also, a lot of people are jumping the gun saying nintendo games will be on mobile now, but it doesn't read that way.
No, you misunderstood. They clearly stated NX is dedicated gaming hardware.
7DollarHagane
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No, on mobile either you nickle and dime or you leave money on the table. That market is used to it and they love it so I say let them have it. They will make more money and that money funds traditional game development hopefully.
Honestly you can't even charge for the initial download these days in mobile if you want to make much.
JB-the-Hunter
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NX is hardware. We know this for sure. If you didn't watch the press conference check it out.
As far as I'm aware, no. They don't allow alternate storefronts or anything akin to that.
As for dena/mobage I'm not sure what you're talking about. They don't have a platform like that. There isn't a mobage app. Dena is a publisher/server provider and mobage is a developer .
DeNA is more akin to a 3rd party launcher.
NumberThree
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I could be wrong but I think Google doesn't allow alternate app storefronts on Play Store. Amazon's app store isn't there and neither is the Humble Bundle app. They're all available as app downloads from the browser instead.
Orniletter
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We are talking about a series that sold 2+ million at retail for full price with the last entry.
Maybe a demo, but they won't put a full game up there.
I think people have the wrong idea about what franchises would go mobile and which would stay dedicated platform.
Mobile?
Pokemon shuffle. Steel Divers: Subwars, Brain Age, English Training, Cooking Guide, Super Mario Pinball, etc. All their touch generation, free to play, and smaller IPs.
Dedicated.
Smash bros. Zelda. Fire emblem. Etc.
Mobile?
Pokemon shuffle. Steel Divers: Subwars, Brain Age, English Training, Cooking Guide, Super Mario Pinball, etc. All their touch generation, free to play, and smaller IPs.
Dedicated.
Smash bros. Zelda. Fire emblem. Etc.
I realize that, I do not expect them to port all of their games to mobile but I can honestly see them porting some of the virtual console gems to mobile and PC as it would only take a small amount of work to adapt a gameboy game to use touch controls. Also mobile/tablets can use controllers as well. Nintendo would have to make the pro controller officially compatible with mobile (Android or iOS, android probably isn't unlikely or hard to do at all) or create a specific controller for use with mobile which would then also make them TONS of money. An official classic controller for mobile virtual console? Yea, I can't see them running away from that.
Also you have to understand, I feel like they're doing a lot of backtracking. Iwata says a lot of Please understand that we never said we would make full experience games for mobile or pc (paraphrasing) but it really seemed that way to me then and now they're going in this new direction so it feels like they just changed their mind and they absolutely can do the same thing here when they say no existing Nintendo games on mobile (paraphrasing again) All they have to do is 1. Find a way to adapt these existing games to mobile via official controller drivers/or hardware and 2. implement touch controls on games that make sense to. So, again, I feel like even though they're saying what they are, I wouldn't be surprised if they just i dunno, changed their mind.
EDIT: yes, I read the article. And I understand that I may be wrong and they may NEVER change their mind but I dunno. Maybe it's wishful thinking. xD>
7DollarHagane
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This is about people buying an app that costs $3-10 dollars, not in app purchases.
Basically the acceptable price for downloading the app is very very low and apps that are priced higher are ignored.
Now someone might spend $50 on in app stuff over a year but they would never have spent that all at once.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
From F2P microtransactions and ad revenue. I saw a chart that showed how revenue is generated on the app store, like 98% of the revenue generated was from F2P games. They dont actually buy video games.
Nintendo is the best console developer in the world I agree but regarding mobile gaming the same as console gaming is wrong.
For instance F2P, which in the last few years seem to be the predominant method on mobile to get big bucks, is something mostly absent on console gaming and of course impact the game flow.
The risk exists or else Nintendo wouldn't be so hesitant.
I think we will have a clearer picture of what kind of games Nintendo have in mind when they will release the first wave this coming fall.
backflip10019
Member
Nintendo is thirsty for some of that Puzzles & Dragons money. Seems kind of insane that they're willing to put the integrity of their first party franchises on the line for a few mobile games. Guess we can only sit tight and see how this pans out.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Um, $3-10 is a premium for mobile and games at that price don't get ignored. Look at the infinity blade franchise.
DragonSworne
Banned
I do believe Iwata means what he says though. They might "port" classic games in the future, but they will be adapted for smart devices to control and handle better than just simple virtual controls. Then Reggie can give an interview about how it is "not the same game".
Another way to read it given the other comments from Iwata is that Nintendo won't port games to mobile unless they can add micro transactions to it.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Finally we might have better chance to get new F-Zero game on mobile.
F-Zero Temple Run-ish game.
F-Zero Temple Run-ish game.
Square-Enix seem to manage fine, 2K seem to do well with their full price releases. There are others, but I can't be sitting here listing them all.
The market is so fucking huge, there is room to carve out a place with $3-$10 apps (and higher). Sure, the massive money comes from a jackpot F2P game, but that's not the entirety of the market by any stretch.
Visualante2
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First megaton of the year inbound.
backflip10019
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And you know this how? Does your uncle work for Nintendo?
ElectricBlanketFire
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I would buy a Nintendo-themed Trivia Crack.
maquiladora
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They are getting into the mobile games market but won't be porting existing console games to mobile and will continue to make console games along with mobile games.
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