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[Speevy]

Brienne and Stannis road trip next season.

"Are you Stannis Baratheon?"

"Yes."

"Damn it Stannis."

*kills five men*

 

[Brakke]

Lol show-watcher conspiracy theories are about to get as dumb as book reader conspiracy theories huh.

 

[Pyramid head]

So, the watch just shanked Jon for absolutely no reason whatsoever? Without even so much as a ham-fisted D&D pink letter equivalent?

"For the watch" is even dumber than "for Oberyn"

For the watch what?

The show has butchered some scenes before but that was ridiculous.

Everything with Dorne this season was absolute turd and this episode was the glaze on top.

Overall, a bad episode to end a bad season.

 

[m_shortpants]

Supposedly Kit was in Belfast and he told people not to take pics of him.

I thought he and Rose broke up?

 

[JeffZero]

Supposedly Kit was in Belfast and he told people not to take pics of him.

My problem with this alleged scoop is that I don't know where Rose Leslie lives and if the answer isn't "Belfast" then unless Ygritte's alive again it just feels like an ill-conceived jest.

But then, the reddit thread has someone mentioning that's a legit place in Belfast that the cast and crew are known to frequent.

But then, that someone in the thread could be the origin of the lie or something.

Lots of questions. Not a lot of hard proof for faith.

 

[PantherLotus]

Completely aside: During the 'previously on' segment with Benjen and Jon, I never noticed how similar their voices were. Wondered if Kit was just trying to copy him after that.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Supposedly Kit was in Belfast and he told people not to take pics of him.

How sweet. He kindly told those people not to snap a photo of him and they did it anyway to share with the world.

 

[Basileus777]

Lol show-watcher conspiracy theories are about to get as dumb as book reader conspiracy theories huh.

I'm not sure that's even possible. Nothing will ever match Donal Noye eating his own arm.

 

[Fuzzy]

Yeah. I mean it seems like the books and series are so distinct at this point though. Just ban anyone who pulls a #nooneunderstands lol that'll make both threads better.

When you don't take it seriously it's pretty funny though.

 

[JeffZero]

I'm not sure that's even possible. Nothing will ever match Donal Noye eating his own arm.

...

...tell me that isn't a real thing that people have genuinely, actually, said.

 

[grandjedi6]

I dunno, I think Miranda might still be alright.

Good point, there's very little fall damage in this series. Unless you are Bran.

They did, however, give Stannis' page on the official site an update claiming that Brienne killed him.

I put more faith in D&D dancing around a subject than I do in whatever intern updates that website.

 

[Brakke]

When you don't take it seriously it's pretty funny though.

It's true. I legit love all the top posters in this thread, even the gripers and nit pickers. I get it. I know where it comes from. I been there with different things.

 

[m_shortpants]

Ghost was able to defend Sam and Gilly in some random room inside the castle but not Jon outside?

Even worse, his last words were "Olly..."

 

[WaffleTaco]

Jon Azor Ahai Snow's new advisor.

Why on earth would Davos do that? Because he has nothing else to do?

 

[Basileus777]

Yeah. I mean it seems like the books and series are so distinct at this point though. Just ban anyone who pulls a #nooneunderstands lol that'll make both threads better.

It would be a bloodbath.

Spoiler

I like it. Just leave everything to Duckroll!

 

[Obliterator]

Supposedly Kit was in Belfast and he told people not to take pics of him.

He's coming back.

I wonder if they've already been filming some of his Season 6 stuff to try and keep it on the down low

 

[SteveWD40]

He went a bit far to sell the "he's dead" bit, mel turning up at the wall after mel learning about resurrction etc...?

He is so getting rezzed.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Why on earth would Davos do that? Because he has nothing else to do?

Because the show basically spat it into our faces. They aren't exactly subtle as you can tell.

 

[Basileus777]

...

...tell me that isn't a real thing that people have genuinely, actually, said.

From a really popular Youtube theorizer

In the book they're interrupted by a guy named Donal Noye. Noye used to work for House Baratheon and lost his arm in the siege of Storm's End. The character is a big riddle because you have to ask yourself why would someone lose an arm in a siege. Later from Davos and Stannis we find out everyone was starving during the siege so we can kind of piece everything together: It seems Donal ate his arm and was sent to the Wall for his crime.

It's the funniest thing this series has ever produced.

 

[Lakitu]

Really didn't like that finale. Very disappointed. I've no idea where they're taking this.

 

[foxtrot3d]

From a really popular Youtube theorizer

Man must not eat flesh of man. This is known.

 

[JeffZero]

I put more faith in D&D dancing around a subject than I do in whatever intern updates that website.

I used to be the same way, but I've watched everyone (and I do mean everyone) on several fansites treat the moment the site is updated as the all-important "time of death" for show characters. I admit I have absolutely no idea how this custom began and it's possible my experience is entirely circumstantial, but after a certain point I took it at face value, just the same as the leads on sites like WatchersontheWall seem to do.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think it would be smart for them to just say he'll be in season six because we will at least see him as a corpse

 

[Brakke]

This thread is well beyond 200 pages now. Mods step in! Quick! This thread going to break GAF!! And on the eve of E3 no less!!!

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I can't believe Balon made it another season without dying.

 

[JeffZero]

From a really popular Youtube theorizer


It's the funniest thing this series has ever produced.

Nevermind the rest. I don't even need the end of that quote. Just... this alone somehow has me breaking:

The character is a big riddle because you have to ask yourself why would someone lose an arm in a siege.

Like, I'm dying over here. I don't need Season 6/7/maybe 8 or TWOW/ADOS. I think I'm satisfied with ASOAIF now.

 

[CloudWolf]

"You're a good boy, but you need bad pussy"

Okay, who let Nicki Minaj's writer on the set?

 

[TheKaeptain]

My problem with this alleged scoop is that I don't know where Rose Leslie lives and if the answer isn't "Belfast" then unless Ygritte's alive again it just feels like an ill-conceived jest.

But then, the reddit thread has someone mentioning that's a legit place in Belfast that the cast and crew are known to frequent.

But then, that someone in the thread could be the origin of the lie or something.

Lots of questions. Not a lot of hard proof for faith.

Fever dream of Ygritte maybe?

 

[PantherLotus]

oh my god

this means the pink letter WAS a forgery, or at least an exaggeration. we know melisandre and shireen and selyse are still at the wall -- and we weren't sure the extent to which stannis' army really was crushed.

now assume it really was and the scene we see with brienne is true in a fashion (we think he's dead but not sure).

dude is totally crawling back to the wall and will burn shireen there.

but why?

 

[Das Ace]

We all know they'll cover Jon in a completely green suit during filming to hid his identity and CGI him in later.

 

[Corpekata]

CGI his face onto a stunt double like they did with Cersei tonight.

 

[Ogimachi]

Interesting interview with Dan Weiss.

“In a book, you can present that kind of ambiguity,” Weiss said. “In a show, everybody sees it for what it is. It’s that rule: ‘If don’t see the body then they’re not really dead.’ Like when we cut Ned’s head off, we didn’t want a gory Monty Python geyser of blood, but we needed to see the blade enter his neck and cut out on the frame where the blade was mid-neck—it was longest discussion ever of where to cut a frame; two hours of talking about whether to cut at frame six or frame seven or frame eight. And that’s all by way of saying we needed Ned’s death to be totally unambiguous. I remember reading the book and going back and forth, like, ‘Did I miss something? Was [Ned] swapped out for somebody else?’ There’s a level of ambiguity because you’re not seeing something starkly represented. In the book, you can write around things to preserve a certain level of mystery that you have to commit to on screen.”

They seem to take ambiguity very seriously, to the point of discussing individual frames. To me this means they're either messing with Stannis fans for kicks or Stannis did not die.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I love how about 5000 screaming Dothraki sneak up on you in an open field.

She was standing on a mountain peak but somehow didn't see the thousands strong horde of Dothraki below her? How?

lol

lol

Hmm. I think I'll watch. I doubt they could surprise me with anything involving those three characters. I'm guessing Myrcella dies and Brienne kills Stannis? I guess I'll find out for myself!

Mhm.

Guess I have to retire this avatar now thats he dead

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This is exactly what went through my mind as well!

 

[suzu]

Even though I thought this season was weak, I enjoyed the thread for all the stupid memes and jokes. o/

Will return for next season's shenanigans.

 

[Das Ace]

I'm fine with Stannis being dead or alive tbh. His arc can work either way.

 

[PantherLotus]

Interesting interview with Dan Weiss.



They seem to take ambiguity very seriously, which means they're either messing with Stannis fans for kicks or Stannis did not die.

Well to be fair I think they're doing the show equivalent of GRRM has done for fantasy. Here's Jon Snow getting stabbed a billion times, and here's his body! He's totally dead!

I think it's funny.

 

[grandjedi6]

I thought he and Rose broke up?

Yep. And they got back together. Then broke up again. And now have been hanging out as friends.... I wouldn't trust Kit Harrington about this relationship status anymore than I trust him about Jon Snow being alive.

I used to be the same way, but I've watched everyone (and I do mean everyone) on several fansites treat the moment the site is updated as the all-important "time of death" for show characters. I admit I have absolutely no idea how this custom began and it's possible my experience is entirely circumstantial, but after a certain point I took it at face value, just the same as the leads on sites like WatchersontheWall seem to do.

Fans always get obsessive and some to the point where they'll take anything as fact just to have something new to obsess about. Some fansites get so bad they start basing fact on wiki edits. I wouldn't put much stock in them over common sense.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Interesting interview with Dan Weiss.



They seem to take ambiguity very seriously, to the point of discussing individual frames. To me this means they're either messing with Stannis fans for kicks or Stannis did not die.

Guys, Stannis did not die. They cut to black, they wouldn't do that in a show which has shown more gory stuff like Jon's death. And, Stannis killed his daughter, he isn't a good guy like Jon. Second, if they were going to have Brienne kill him they would have had her stab him in the heart. You know to really shove the irony in our face. My question is why is he alive? His story seems to be over.

 

[Das Ace]

Lady Stannis Heart is my new fav theory.

 

[Mxrz]

Well shit.

'Fuck da watch' and all. Alliser and Olly going to get zombified. I will take a certain kind of glee when the sparrows and watch get their just deserts, and you know its coming. Interesting to see what happens with Jamie and Theon. Both seem like they're at a turning point.

This season has been a mixed bag. Right now it seems like all of Dorne was just done for that ending. The watch is a bit of a mess. Its hard to believe the guys Jon was out there fighting with--Avenging Jormont, defending the wall, hardhome--are going to be okay with Alliser, FuckOlly, and co pulling that.

King's landing spent the season keeping most of the interesting characters dirty and isolated. Tyrion makes it to Dany, but then she fucks off. Tyrion and Grey Worm running the city will be funny, but ultimate feels like a waste of Tyrion. Outside of Hardhome, its the first season I really have little interest in rewatching.

It'll be interesting to see how the tv audience holds up after this. Gotta admit, if Jon isn't leaked/hyped for season six, my own interest is going to dwindle considerably.

 

[Speevy]

Shame.

 

[Khaos_Knight]

Damn they Julius Ceasar'd his ass.

 

[Ogimachi]

I'm fine with Stannis being dead or alive tbh. His arc can work either way.

It's so different to the books that it won't matter much to me either, even though having more Stephen Dillane is always a good thing. He did a fantastic job this season. Ideally speaking he'd be a serious contender for the supporting actor emmy award.

If Stannis lives, he'll probably be back with a vengeance, starting with Melisandre, but he won't have a family, let alone an army. They could make him rally the northeners as he did in ADWD, idk.
Dead Stannis is ok on its own as well. His arc would be complete and his terribly tragic ending would be fitting (again, on its own, not considering the book Stannis story).

 

[WaffleTaco]

So decided to go and see what the unsullied's think in the other thread and they don't belive that Jon's dead lol

 

[Anbokr]

Right, this is where I'm at too. If the show never existed people would still be pointing to the two books in question as where it went off the rails. But now that the show is attempting to adapt what we all consider a beautiful mess at best and a long, boring, complicated slog that doesn't advance the plot at worst ... it's like people are forgetting that this is actually a pretty decent job making that source material work.

Dorne was a problem but will probably pay off. The Iron Islands are going to be a train wreck but will probably pay off. Winterfell was cleaned up a bit and Ramsay looks godlike, Stannis' march was shortened but we can hand-wave most of those criticisms away.

I guess I don't see how most of these complaints don't start with the source material being a mess. Which most of us agree on.

All? Speak for yourself man, I absolutely loved both Feast and Dance. The ironborn plots, the kingsmoot, and the Doran plot were some of my favorites, especially from a character pov. I don't think this was a bad season per say, but it was definitely a little disappointing. I understand why they cut and changed some plotlines, but my issue was mainly that the substituted plotlines were WAY worse than their book counterparts (most notably Dorne). We obviously have very very different views on Dance/Feast and the plotlines within though.

 

[grandjedi6]

Guys, Stannis did not die. They cut to black, they wouldn't do that in a show which has shown more gory stuff like Jon's death. And, Stannis killed his daughter, he isn't a good guy like Jon. Second, if they were going to have Brienne kill him they would have had her stab him in the heart. You know to really shove the irony in our face. My question is why is he alive? His story seems to be over.

Redemption. You don't break a character like that and not kill him without redemption being the end goal. Expect Stannis to try and find a noble cause to die for.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Redemption. You don't break a character like that and not kill him without redemption being the end goal. Expect Stannis to try and find a noble cause to die for.

He had a noble cause. His character has no purpose now except for maybe revenge against Melisandre.

 

[Corpekata]

Keeping Stannis around might also give Davos a little more to do so he can learn he burnt Shireen.

THEN Stannis will die.

 

[JeffZero]

Fans always get obsessive and some to the point where they'll take anything as fact just to have something new to obsess about. Some fansites get so bad they start basing fact on wiki edits. I wouldn't put much stock in them over common sense.

Well, fair point.

I suppose we'll see in... nine months. ;_;

 

[A_Gorilla]

Keeping Stannis around might also give Davos a little more to do so he can learn he burnt Shireen.

THEN Stannis will die.

I kept telling people Davos will be the one to kill Stannis.

But nooooo...