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http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...e-film-where-to-invade-next-us-government-war

Michael Moore’s new film, Where to Invade Next, explores how the US government maintains a state of “infinite war”, according to the Oscar-winning documentary film-maker.

Moore revealed rough details of the project, which he has been making “in secret” since 2009, in his first Periscope broadcast. He answered questions from fans posted on Twitter and started by saying he’d like to “say ‘Hello!’ to my NSA friends that are watching right now”. He’s been a vocal critic of the agency’s mass surveillance practices – revealed by the Guardian in 2013 – and called whistleblower Edward Snowden “the hero of the year”.


He said Where to Invade Next, which was filmed across three continents, was “epic in nature”, but made quietly with a small crew. “There’s usually someone chasing us,” he said. It seems the film, which premieres at the Toronto film festival in September, will cover some of the same ground as his Palme d’Or-winning Fahrenheit 9/11, a critique of the Bush administration’s “war on terror” detailing the various dictatorships that have been supported by the US administration in the interests of maintaining conflicts that profited America. Fahrenheit 9/11 is the highest-grossing documentary of all time, taking close to $120m (£75m) at the US box office.

“The issue of the United States at infinite war is something that has concerned me for quite some time, and provides the necessary satire for this film,” said Moore in the Periscope broadcast.

“[There’s] this constant need it seems to always have an enemy – where’s the next enemy so we can keep this whole military industrial complex alive, and keep the companies that make a lot of money from this in business. I’ve always been a little bothered by that, so that’s where the comedy comes from.”


The blurb on the the Toronto festival website for Where to Invade Next suggests Moore will again use prank-based journalism to satirise US foreign policy. “Moore tells the Pentagon to ‘stand down’ – he will do the invading for America from now on,” it says.

When asked by a Twitter user if he thought it was more important to make people laugh or deliver a message, Moore said “both”.

“Humour is a great vehicle to make social commentary about things that are going on these days,” he said, echoing a speech he gave at Toronto last year in which he told documentary film-makers to be more entertaining.

“People don’t want medicine, they want popcorn,” he told a crowd of industry guests. “Entertainment is the big dirty word of documentary. ‘Oh no! I’ve entertained someone. I’ve cheapened my movie!’”

“People want to go home and have sex after your movie,” he said. “Don’t make them feel ‘Urggggghhhh’. Don’t do that to your fellow sexually active people.”

 

[OricWindstar]

I have a feeling I'm not going to want to go home and fuck after listening to Michael Moore for 90 minutes.

 

[ViperVisor]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1355640/
The Shock Doctrine (2009)

 

[Rydeen]

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

 

[Crabernacle]

I have a feeling I'm not going to want to go home and fuck after listening to Michael Moore for 90 minutes.

An Inconvenient Truth.

 

[adj_noun]

I have a feeling I'm not going to want to go home and fuck after listening to Michael Moore for 90 minutes.

Capitalism: A Love Story

 

[nib95]

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

Depends if you count droning new countries and targets as invading or not.

 

[Dai101]

Depends if you count droning new countries and targets as invading or not.

Let's not forget the military aid they give too.

 

[Jackpot]

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

We have drones killing people in Yemen, Syria, Pakistan and more.

 

[Skyzard]

Depends if you count droning new countries and targets as invading or not.

Or the Arab spring and supporting violent rebels to destabilize countries.

 

[Stinkles]

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

Sounds to me the film is going to lean heavily on the war industry preseuring policy. You just want to wait till 8t happens again to discuss it?


Moore coukd also make an interesting movie about the successful Carteresque campaign to destroy him.

 

[TAJ]

And Republican presidential candidates are chomping at the bit about invading Iran.

 

[Zeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE

 

[Dai101]

And Republican presidential candidates are chomping at the bit about invading Iran.

Let's not forget the ongoing war on drugs. Which in turn gives access to the cartels to better weapons than the LE units.

 

[titiklabingapat]

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

Much like the Daily Show with John Stewart in the post-Obama era, Micheal Moore is only really relevant during Republican presidencies (specifically Dubya's). Moore should take a similar hint and do what John Stewart did: bow out gracefully and try not to stay relevant.

 

[Savitar]

 

[TAJ]

Much like the Daily Show with John Stewart in the post-Obama era, Micheal Moore is only really relevant during Republican presidencies (specifically Dubya's). Moore should take a similar hint and do what John Stewart did: bow out gracefully and try not to stay relevant.

Naw. TV Nation was the best thing he ever did and it wasn't just politics.

 

[fuzzyset]

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

Much like the Daily Show with John Stewart in the post-Obama era, Micheal Moore is only really relevant during Republican presidencies (specifically Dubya's). Moore should take a similar hint and do what John Stewart did: bow out gracefully and try not to stay relevant.

Obama is basically fighting a covert war with robots in Pakistan and Yemen.

Barack Obama inherited two ugly, intractable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan when he became president and set to work to end them. But a third, more covert war he made his own, escalating drone strikes in Pakistan and expanding them to Yemen and Somalia.

Look at the chart in that article. If you think the US military has been twiddling their thumbs since Obama took office, you're mistaken.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Much like the Daily Show with John Stewart in the post-Obama era, Micheal Moore is only really relevant during Republican presidencies (specifically Dubya's). Moore should take a similar hint and do what John Stewart did: bow out gracefully and try not to stay relevant.

The left shouldn't criticize the left? *boggle*

 

[Slappers Only]

Gaben should stick to games.

 

[Glass Rebel]

got my tinfoil hat on and my third eye open

let's geddit

 

[titiklabingapat]

Obama is basically fighting a covert war with robots in Pakistan and Yemen.



Look at the chart in that article. If you think the US military has been twiddling their thumbs since Obama took office, you're mistaken.

If all we can criticize about Obama;'s foreign policy is drone stikes, I'll take it over the other previous FP bunggles in modern times.

The left shouldn't criticize the left? *boggle*

Well, it's not like the current administration is drumming the beats for war. Indeed, current events tell show us otherwise.

 

[ZackieChan]

Much like the Daily Show with John Stewart in the post-Obama era, Micheal Moore is only really relevant during Republican presidencies (specifically Dubya's). Moore should take a similar hint and do what John Stewart did: bow out gracefully and try not to stay relevant.

Bow out 3/4 of the way into the Democrat's second term? Am I reading your comment right? Because what you're describing is not what Stewart did at all.

But, the current administration hasn't invaded anybody. The only military action by the Obama administration has been ongoing campaigns left over from the Bush administration.

Moore probably should've made this movie 10 years ago.

He says it is the need to always have an enemy, not necessarily actually invading, in the article in the OP. I believe that's true. It's a bit Orwellian, don't you think?

 

[captainnapalm]

You really can chart this perpetual state of conflict from the 'war on communism' to the 'war on drugs' to the 'war on terrorism'.

And there are hugely troubling aspects to each of these declared "wars". They end up being very convenient for the powers that be.

I hope this movie has an impact just like Fahrenheit did. There really aren't too many more important issues than this one, getting people to realise the true causes of so much of the perpetual conflict that happens around the globe.

And it's important to realise that the US isn't alone in this. There is an entire global network of countries that are in on it. And often the countries that are branded as enemies or evil are simply the ones who aren't in on it.

 

[Enron]

Michael Moore screaming hey, look at me, im still relevant, hey guys, over here!

 

[titiklabingapat]

Bow out 3/4 of the way into the Democrat's second term? Am I reading your comment right? Because what you're describing is not what Stewart did at all.

But he struggled to fit in his show in contrast to the current regime. Yeah, there is Fox News here and there and the occasional GOP meat head but he was at his wonderful peak during the Bush years for a good reason. I'm not saying he didn't have a wonderful run through the Obama years, but he saw the writing on the wall and is bowing out gracefully.

 

[stufte]

I usually agree with him, but I can't fucking stand him or his movies.

 

[Dazzler]

despite broadly agreeing with his politics and the points he makes, Moore presents his arguments in such a distateful way that I end up disliking that I agree with him

 

[Shock]

Christ that man is decaying fast!

 

[pigeon]

Well, it's not like the current administration is drumming the beats for war. Indeed, current events tell show us otherwise.

But don't you think it's worth discussing the fact that, under probably the most dovish President America has had in a decade and will have in another decade, in an environment where everybody agrees that we're very much against another war and doing whatever we can to avoid it, we're still bombing people every day?

Like, if anything, that makes it worse. We're basically high-functioning addicts when it comes to war -- even when we say we've kicked the habit, it turns out we're still hiding war around the house just to get through the day.

 

[Alavard]

Wow his least inspired title yet.

 

[MidnightPass]

the only thing i remember about Michael Moore is that he tried to blackmail Trey Parker and Matt Stone, by interviewing Matt i believe and then showing a sh*tty cartoon right after it to make it seem it was created by them and that it pissed them off

 

[Auctopus]

A little on the nose.

 

[dekline]

I don't really have any positive or negative feelings for Michael Moore. I mean I never think about him in my day to day life, but I thought Bowling for Columbine was fucking ace.

 

[titiklabingapat]

But don't you think it's worth discussing the fact that, under probably the most dovish President America has had in a decade and will have in another decade, in an environment where everybody agrees that we're very much against another war and doing whatever we can to avoid it, we're still bombing people every day?

Like, if anything, that makes it worse. We're basically high-functioning addicts when it comes to war -- even when we say we've kicked the habit, it turns out we're still hiding war around the house just to get through the day.

You got a point, I agree but it's Moore. He is doing this for attention first and foremost

I'll wait and watch to see if it's any good. I liked some of his docs.

 

[-MD-]

Love his films, lookin forward to this.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Ooo Ooo its gonna be Iran next when Jeb is elected.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Only seen a couple of his movies, but it should be interesting.

 

[Relativ9]

I probably agree with most of what Micheal Moore stands for. But I cannot stomach his persona. The jab at the NSA want just obvious, it was lazy and inaccurate, and even worse is his tendency to personalize and sensationalized aspects of a story that doesn't warrant it (take his presentation of a gun violence victim to the head of the NRA in Bowling for Columbine).

He seems to almost delight in being right, even when that means something horrible has or will happen.

 

[Cereal KiIIer]

You really want us to do it again?

 

[Gigglepoo]

You got a point, I agree but it's Moore. He is doing this for attention first and foremost

I'll wait and watch to see if it's any good. I liked some of his docs.

Don't most people who make movies want attention? It seems like Moore covers topics he's passionate about; it would be weird if he didn't want people to pay attention to these issues.

 

[Rebel Leader]

we should invade canada

they have had it too good, for too long.

 

[Acorn]

I usually agree with him, but I can't fucking stand him or his movies.

Same generally.

You don't get people on your side by shitting on them.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

No one asked for this.

 

[Shalashaska]

we should invade canada

they have had it too good, for too long.

 

[entremet]

Christ that man is decaying fast!

He looks the same. He's actually lost some weight. He used to be bigger.

 

[commish]

But don't you think it's worth discussing the fact that, under probably the most dovish President America has had in a decade and will have in another decade, in an environment where everybody agrees that we're very much against another war and doing whatever we can to avoid it, we're still bombing people every day?

Like, if anything, that makes it worse. We're basically high-functioning addicts when it comes to war -- even when we say we've kicked the habit, it turns out we're still hiding war around the house just to get through the day.

"Most dovish" president America has had in a decade? Well, there was just Obama and Bush, so that's not saying much, especially when Bush had to deal with 9/11. Saying that we are "addicts" when it comes to war is just stupid.

 

[Rebel Leader]

you did worse by forcing beiber and cruz


a house can be rebuild but a beiber scars for life

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Isn't this movie basically Military Industrial Complex?

I thought the idea behind that was that in post-WW2 America changed fundamentally and this industry is a massive economic wheel that keeps many things spinning.

In Europe I think we're content with the current situation. Of course a simplification, but think about the luxury that Western Europe has. Allied with the most powerful nation of earth, who spends 50 Trillion dollars a year. European countries don't even have each others backs, but the US is almost liable to protect western Europe. So Europe is protected while not spending those insane amount of resources on defense. Nobody could do shit about Iraq even though it's public knowledge that what the US did broke international law, carried on false evidence and even broke many of the UNs code of conducts for procedure. Almost like the US wanted to a drawn out conflict that could keep the wheels spinning.

 

[speculawyer]

Well . . . we really haven't had a ground invasion since 2003 when we invaded Iraq.


We do drone & bomb shit though. And the occasional in & out commando raid.