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[Walpurgis]

Huh. I didn't expect this from Sanders. This isn't even a difficult issue, especially since his campaign isn't being financed by Israeli lobbying groups. I know they fired the staffer and apologised but where is his anti-apartheid statement?

 

[benjipwns]

Let's all be honest, Bernie is the candidate for the old Dixiecrat wing of the Party. Harry F. Byrd is going to be his running mate on the ballots in the South since the state parties won't put the real nominee (Biden) on them.

 

[Granteed]

Half the story? The original article does have Bernie's campaign apologizing and all that stuff, but it still doesn't make the initial event any better. All it does is show that they realized that they fucked up when they kicked those guys out. His campaign keeps making the same damn mistake over and over. They never should have done it in the first place.

As to be expected of the worshippers of yet another cismale white devil.

 

[Wall]

As to be expected of the worshippers of yet another cismale white devil.

Please stop.

 

[Bronx-Man]

hmm...







"Literally no one"

You don't have to pretend, every single Bernie thread on GAF is eventually up-ended with a "white progressives are the problem" post, if it isn't the OP itself.

White "progressives" are the ones with the shitty reactions to BLM causing this image problem for Bernie in the first place, but no one is arguing that all white progressives are a problem like you seem to have imagined.

 

[Granteed]

Please stop.

No, I will not stop the fight against this white supremacist wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

 

[User 463088]

Just because Bernie isn't going BAN ALL GUNS!, he's still pushing for gun control, which if you haven't seen his NRA rating, any gun control is bad gun control to them. He's fighting the fight the way it should have been being fought by "responsible gun owners". You will make zero progress on guns without making progressive steps, of which we've made virtually zero, which is why we're in such a shitty place right now.

No. No, no, no. Sanders supporters do not get to call for progressive, incremental or small steps towards change. Anyone who doesn't feel the Bern has been told in countless Gaf threads that since "insert candidate here" doesn't promise the exact perfect solution, then we shouldn't vote for them. Hell, there have been people here who have said we should let the whole damn place burn if we don't get a perfect solution to our problems. It can't go both ways.

Unless, of course, we're willing to admit that the way you make change in this country IS through small incremental steps. (A statement I fully agree with.) In which case, we can safely call 90% of Sander's positions nothing more than pandering to his liberal base, pie in the sky idealism or both.

I'm on mobile, otherwise I'd post a link to the stories coming out about the gun control plan he is planning to release. Its gonna be to the "right" of Hillary, but it will still contain some items gun control advocates have asked for. From what I have read, he is going to sell it as a moderate compromise that he thinks will satisfy the interests of both gun control advocates and reasonable gun owners in rural areas. Based on statements I have heard him make to the press, he is going to use his experience as a politician from a rural area as evidence he can broker a compromise.

I apologize for the lack of links. Again, I am on mobile. I also apologize if I don't respond for awhile because I am about to get called away.

No worries, I'll definitely read it. However, I also would base my decision on his record. It's mostly shit on gun control. This is a major issue for me, and Hillary's stance is far closer to my own. (hell, Biden's is closer to my own than Sander's.)

 

[Valhelm]

Huh. I didn't expect this from Sanders. This isn't even a difficult issue, especially since his campaign isn't being financed by Israeli lobbying groups. I know they fired the staffer and apologised but where is his anti-apartheid statement?

Here!

No worries, I'll definitely read it. However, I also would base my decision on his record. It's mostly shit on gun control. This is a major issue for me, and Hillary's stance is far closer to my own. (hell, Biden's is closer to my own than Sander's.)

Do you vote on gun control alone? I prefer Hillary's stance on gun control, but none of her other policies appeal to me in any great way. Her presidency would be even more conservative than Obama's.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Writer must be a Clinton supporter.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Their votes didn't matter then either.

If anything that recount and other recent close ones should have illustrated to everyone how little their individual votes matter. Why else would recounts come up with vastly different numbers in the same precincts over and over. The final tally is just that, the last time they counted the votes

And if the final tally has a relevant amount support going to a 3rd party instead of, say, the democratic party that can affect close elections like we saw in 2000.

"Literally no one"

You don't have to pretend, every single Bernie thread on GAF is eventually up-ended with a "white progressives are the problem" post, if it isn't the OP itself.

I was making fun of Sander's poll numbers with minorities.

 

[NeoXChaos]

No, I will not stop the fight against this white supremacist wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

Hilarious.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm on mobile, otherwise I'd post a link to the stories coming out about the gun control plan he is planning to release. Its gonna be to the "right" of Hillary, but it will still contain some items gun control advocates have asked for. From what I have read, he is going to sell it as a moderate compromise that he thinks will satisfy the interests of both gun control advocates and reasonable gun owners in rural areas. Based on statements I have heard him make to the press, he is going to use his experience as a politician from a rural area as evidence he can broker a compromise.

I apologize for the lack of links. Again, I am on mobile. I also apologize if I don't respond for awhile because I am about to get called away.

This seriously interests me, in large part due to Hillary's own stance being fairly middle of the road as it is.

 

[stufte]

As to be expected of the worshippers of yet another cismale white devil.

lol, tell me more.

 

[User 463088]

Here!



Do you vote on gun control alone? I prefer Hillary's stance on gun control, but none of her other policies appeal to me in any great way. Her presidency would be even more conservative than Obama's.

Oh, good Lord no. It's part of the puzzle. If Hillary weren't running, and Sanders was still on the ballot he still wouldn't be my guy. (Not sure who I'd pick in this hypothetical.) I disagree with Sanders on quite a few issues including guns and his economic protectionism. Add to the fact that he's not a Democrat, and he's never helped the Democratic party win an election. There are other reasons as well. But, no, I'm not a single issue voter.

Hillary was to the left of Obama in the Senate, and far, far left to Biden. Her Presidency would not, in any shape, be more conservative than Obama's.

 

[noshten]

Oh, good Lord no. It's part of the puzzle. If Hillary weren't running, and Sanders was still on the ballot he still wouldn't be my guy. (Not sure who I'd pick in this hypothetical.) I disagree with Sanders on quite a few issues including guns and his economic protectionism. Add to the fact that he's not a Democrat, and he's never helped the Democratic party win an election. There are other reasons as well. But, no, I'm not a single issue voter.

No worries he will help the Democrats win an election in 2016
a) winning the election
b) not running third party

 

[docbon]

I'm hearing from Bernie friends that the group was thrown out over violating limits on the size of signs, not the sign's content.

Grain of salt, but FWIW.

Ehh, I'm not sure that's the case. Here's the actual sign if anyone is wondering.

 

[ArtFuzzy]

Can't wait for Biden to run so we can get three camps of people scorning each other's candidates over an issue all three take the exact same stance on.

 

[User 463088]

No worries he will help the Democrats win an election in 2016
a) winning the election
b) not running third party

One of these is correct.

Hint: It's not the first one.

 

[genjiZERO]

Hope you enjoy President Carson you traitor.

Traitor to whom? I'm not a Democrat. I'm a progressive who is concerned with the plight of Palestinians for personal reasons. Why would I vote Democrat when their candidates make an effort to care nothing for the suffering or point of view of Palestine?

The Republican Party thanks you from the bottom of their hearts.

It's still 2000 somewhere.

Both parties are the sameeeeee!!!!!!

The Republican Party thanks you for your support.

Show me a Democrat candidate who prioritizes Palestine and I'll be happy to vote for him or her. Otherwise GTFO with that two-dimensional sheeple bullshit.

 

[And_Gignac]

No, I will not stop the fight against this white supremacist wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

K.

You are trolling, right? No one really thinks that.


Sanders aint perfect, but he is clearly not at the right of Hillary on this matter. He is probably the best candidate for the pro-palestine cause, since all the others are on their knees with the Israel lobby (and he is jewish!).

This is a non issue. A stupid move by low staffer but nothing more representative of Sanders campaign. I mean, if the purpose of this article was to make Sanders look less progressive than_________ it failed misserably.

 

[benjipwns]

And if the final tally has a relevant amount support going to a 3rd party instead of, say, the democratic party that can affect close elections like we saw in 2000.

The parties have to earn their votes, they don't own them.

 

[noshten]

One of these is correct.

Hint: It's not the first one.

I see, do diplomacy has no place in the election process, you've already decided what will happen. How terribly progressive of you

 

[User 463088]

K.

You are trolling, right? No one really thinks that.


Sanders aint perfect, but he is clearly not at the right of Hillary on this matter. He is probably the best candidate for the pro-palestine cause, since all the others are on their knees with the Israel lobby (and he is jewish!).

This is a non issue. A stupid move by low staffer but nothing more representative of Sanders campaign. I mean, if the purpose of this article was to make Sanders look less progressive than_________ it failed misserably.

And when he told people who disagreed with him on Israel/Palestine to "Shut up? was that a staffer too?

I've met a few staffers. They're terrified of effing up. I highly doubt this person just decided, on their own, to decide THIS sign needed to come down. S/he must have felt there was a reason this sign in particular had to go.

I see, do diplomacy has no place in the election process, you've already decided what will happen. How terribly progressive of you

Wait...what? You just said that he was going to win the election. How very progressive of you, I guess?

I mean....I'm not sure what we're supposed to do here? See which one of our progressives is bigger?

Of course, I'm used to being called "not a real progressive" since I don't feel the Bern. It's all good.

 

[benjipwns]

Ehh, I'm not sure that's the case. Here's the actual sign if anyone is wondering.

I hope they threw them out for bad sign design.

Will ya #Feel the 4 Palestine Bern??!

 

[Jag]

No, I will not stop the fight against this white supremacist wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

Holy shit. lol.

Good luck with whoever is left after you take down Evil Bernie.

 

[Bronx-Man]

K.

You are trolling, right? No one really thinks that.


Sanders aint perfect, but he is clearly not at the right of Hillary on this matter. He is probably the best candidate for the pro-palestine cause, since all the others are on their knees with the Israel lobby (and he is jewish!).

This is a non issue. A stupid move by low staffer but nothing more representative of Sanders campaign. I mean, if the purpose of this article was to make Sanders look less progressive than_________ it failed misserably.

How the fuck is offering no support for Palestine make him "the best candidate for pro-palestine"? You could say Hillary's the most pro-Palestine candidate with that logic.

Jesus fuck, Sanders stans need to get a goddamn grip with reality.

 

[gutter_trash]

I blame Harry Truman for all this

 

[noshten]

And when he told people who disagreed with him on Israel/Palestine to "Shut up? was that a staffer too?

I've met a few staffers. They're terrified of effing up. I highly doubt this person just decided, on their own, to decide THIS sign needed to come down. S/he must have felt there was a reason this sign in particular had to go.

Have you actually watched the video you are commenting on?

Wait...what? You just said that he was going to win the election. How very progressive of you, I guess?

I mean....I'm not sure what we're supposed to do here? See which one of our progressives is bigger?

Of course, I'm used to being called "not a real progressive" since I don't feel the Bern. It's all good.

Nope I just said there are two options of what will occur and both will help Democrats win the 2016 elections and you flat out said that the first one won't happen. You are putting words in my mouth despite quoting me

 

[Dogtooth]

Let's all be honest, Bernie is the candidate for the old Dixiecrat wing of the Party. Harry F. Byrd is going to be his running mate on the ballots in the South since the state parties won't put the real nominee (Biden) on them.

The conditions are ripe for revolution, Comrade.

 

[Merc_]

You are too much. The first debate hasn't even happened yet!

I really wonder what you guys are going to say if after the debate there is no change from minority voters towards Bernie. Or if he ends up losing the debate to Hillary since even Obama wasn't able to consistently win them.

 

[Interfectum]

Update: Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver has indicated the staffer responsible for the ejections has been removed from their position, and reiterated the decision to remove the students does not reflect campaign policy.

Posted?

 

[noshten]

I really wonder what you guys are going to say if after the debate there is no change from minority voters towards Bernie. Or if he ends up losing the debate to Hillary since even Obama wasn't able to consistently win them.

It's not really about winning the debates, Bernie's Sander's campaign and positions have had 12 minutes of television coverage during prime time. The debates are a means of actually making him a known quantity to a portion of voters that are currently unfamiliar with this position and personality.

 

[B-Dubs]

Posted?

Many times, it also doesn't change the fact that it happened.

 

[Merc_]

It's not really about winning the debates, Bernie's Sander's campaign and positions have had 12 minutes of television coverage during prime time. The debates are a means of actually making him a known quantity to a portion of voters that are currently unfamiliar with this position and personality.

It doesn't really matter if he ends up looking bad next to Hillary though.

 

[And_Gignac]

And when he told people who disagreed with him on Israel/Palestine to "Shut up? was that a staffer too?

He told him to shut up because he was yelling and interrumpting him, not because Sanders wanted to "censure" the guy. Then he calmed down when the over-emotional girl started to yell too. If anything, it was the hecklers who didnt want to discuss anything. Watch the video, the discussion continued.

Also, Sanders stance on this issue is clear. He is for a two-states solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umG2UPLlLo4&t=2631

I dont agree with his passiveness on the issue, but he is not a person that would change the current cold-shoulder attitude the Obama administration has towards Bibi´s.

Many times, it also doesn't change the fact that it happened.

But it changes the reason why it happened, which is reason of the article and this very thread.

 

[Interfectum]

Many times, it also doesn't change the fact that it happened.

I get it, the truth doesn't really suit your agenda.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I really wonder what you guys are going to say if after the debate there is no change from minority voters towards Bernie. Or if he ends up losing the debate to Hillary since even Obama wasn't able to consistently win them.

Same as what happened after Prop 8, blame the darkies.

 

[Walpurgis]

Here!

I read that article but I don't see him speaking against the apartheid in Israel and Palestine. He just supports Obama on the Iran deal.

 

[benjipwns]

I blame Harry Truman for all this

STILL ELIGIBLE

TRUMAN 2016

GIVE EM HELL, LITERALLY!

 

[Dogtooth]

I get it, the truth doesn't really suit your agenda.

It's still relevant that a Sanders staffer would *think* such a sign is unwelcome at a Sanders event. Other people had signs about their issues.

And Sanders actually does suck on this issue.

 

[Jag]

I read that article but I don't see him speaking against the apartheid in Israel and Palestine.

How can he speak against something that doesn't exist?

Shots fired.

 

[Merc_]

Same as what happened after Prop 8, blame the darkies.

Oh, I don't doubt that will happen. I just think they'll wait until he loses the primary before they go in on our people for our collective lack of faith in the Bern. I'm just curious about what they'll say in the meantime.

 

[B-Dubs]

I get it, the truth doesn't really suit your agenda.

It doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Also, low level staffers don't take a shit without checking with their bosses. The fact that he thought this was OK says a lot about internal discussions. It also assume that he's not just the fall guy.

 

[Gnome Scat]

Disappointing, but I'll still stand by him for now. Might jump ship if this continues/worsens and Biden decides to run.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

No worries, I'll definitely read it. However, I also would base my decision on his record. It's mostly shit on gun control. This is a major issue for me, and Hillary's stance is far closer to my own. (hell, Biden's is closer to my own than Sander's.)

Would someone be so kind as to compare/contrast Clinton and Sander's stance/policy on gun control? Ideally in a table or bullet point format. This is an issue I'm interested in.

The one thing that I heard from Sanders is that he voted NO on allowing gun manufacturers to be sued by victims. I kinda agree with that though. I mean, if you sue because the gun malfunctioned and blew your hand off, that's one thing, but to sue because someone used the gun irresponsibly is another. Maybe my analogy is not good - and if so, please tell me why - but I compare this to suing chevrolet because some drunk driver killed a family member while driving a chevy silverado.

 

[And_Gignac]

How the fuck is offering no support for Palestine make him "the best candidate for pro-palestine"? You could say Hillary's the most pro-Palestine candidate with that logic.

Jesus fuck, Sanders stans need to get a goddamn grip with reality.

Hillary and Sanders share a similar view. History says Hillary is prone to warhawkism. So yes, he is the better candidate to the pro-palestine view, but only because all the others SUCK that much.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Oh, I don't doubt that will happen. I just think they'll wait until he loses the primary before they go in on our people for our collective lack of faith in the Bern. I'm just curious about what they'll say in the meantime.

"WHY WON'T YOU JUST LET US DECIDE WHO'S BEST FOR YOU PEOPLE?!"

 

[Bronx-Man]

Hillary and Sanders share a similar view. History says Hillary is prone to warhawkism. So yes, he is the better candidate to the pro-palestine view, but only because all the others SUCK that much.

You're literally arguing that Bernie is better than Hillary on an issue, despite having the exact same stance on said issue as her.



Like, where the fuck am I right now? Is this the fucking Twilight Zone?

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Has anyone asked about whether the staffer thought having imagery of burning and Palestine being mixed together could have been the reason?

 

[CyclopsRock]

It's totally possible to be pro-Israel and agree with everything Clinton wrote and think building settlements is terrible and a 2-state solution should be sought.