Farage may not be a leader in the its on the papers sense but he and UKIP are some of the largest driving forces behind this.
Others have come out an openly stated there will be no change in immigration and that they never promised such a thing.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Farage may not be a leader in the its on the papers sense but he and UKIP are some of the largest driving forces behind this.
Others have come out an openly stated there will be no change in immigration and that they never promised such a thing.
jufonuk
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Listen to your people . If you are in a position of power help those people or thevones you claim you are here to help will rise up against you
everyday math
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Wow never really thought about that
"damn that EU and forcing us to adopt their pesky human rights!!"
SporeCrawler
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What does everybody think about cameron refusing to kick off the process. Most european countries seem to want to do it asap. My personal view: having a period of uncertainty is the worst you can do. EU and UK should settle things asap and not in 2 years (which is the maximum period) but in a few month.
Core No Gos imho are the Norwegian or Swiss Modell, while german car manufacturers will love this, this will basically mean that other members may also want to leave. If Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, France all start to leave and join the norwegian modell the balance will be completely broken. Especially the freedom of services and capital must be limited otherwise UK will become a offshore tax haven that EU has no control over. EU is finally getting the grip on tax constructs like the irish with a dutch sandwich
I think the EU should aim a relationship similar to the China or US (without TTIP). The US and China are huge trade partners despite not being in a union with us.
Core No Gos imho are the Norwegian or Swiss Modell, while german car manufacturers will love this, this will basically mean that other members may also want to leave. If Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, France all start to leave and join the norwegian modell the balance will be completely broken. Especially the freedom of services and capital must be limited otherwise UK will become a offshore tax haven that EU has no control over. EU is finally getting the grip on tax constructs like the irish with a dutch sandwich
I think the EU should aim a relationship similar to the China or US (without TTIP). The US and China are huge trade partners despite not being in a union with us.
Of course. I'm from Galicia one of the spanish regions that have benefited the most from European funds. Thats why I don't understand that Cornwall thing
Having said that Spain should start being a net contributor to the EU budget. Poorer countries should have the same opportunities we had thanks to the EU membership (Poland being the best example)
blazinglord
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Which is why the anyone-but-Boris remainers should be careful for what they wish for. Yes he is a clown, but he is at least socially liberal. I fear for social policies like gay rights if Theresa May wins.
I reckon we will have a mixture of slight wage increases while continuing to allow cheap labour from other countries willing to do the work but with no rights to social benefits. Yes it's exploitation, but there you go. They will be at the mercy of business owners and the forces of capitalism.
See workers rights jump right back up if Labour manage to drag their asses into government.
shinra-bansho
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Further to your point, from a quick look 440K of the 1.05 million net migration from the EU over that ten year period was from the other 14 of the EU15.
Miles Quaritch
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Ask the voter on the ground who they think was leading the leave campaign. This attempt to sideline Farage is ridiculous. He was a significant player in the whole thing, and made certain claims that people took as truths.
There was an interview on the BBC late last night with a hairdresser where she said she voted to leave to save the NHS, to pump the money from the EU into it. She didn't just pluck that information out of thin air, she didn't just connect some dots and think if we left the EU the money would naturally go the NHS...
Lightning Count
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The worst is all the leave voters regretting their decision and thinking that it wouldn't matter when they voted leave.
The tories are going to break the country down for parts and you enabled them by not voting remain.
The tories are going to break the country down for parts and you enabled them by not voting remain.
Miles Quaritch
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UK 2020 - bringing back indentured servitude.
I believe that Boris Johnson intends never to invoke Article 50. He didn't expect for Leave to actually win, so now he's going to keep playing for time and fudge some other deal with the EU that doesn't actually involve a full exit and hold another referendum. As long as he ultimately gets to beat his rivals in the party and play Prime Minister he honestly doesn't give two shits about the damage he causes, this has all just been a game to him. What an utterly vile man
GamerMax73
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I'm not going off in search of figures, but I'm sure it gets even more interesting when you break down the numbers by things like - refugees, super-rich, media/sports stars, teachers, nhs staff, students. You're left wondering exactly who it is that's coming over here taking all our low paid unskilled jobs...
Jezbollah
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I think Cameron has done the right thing by not executing Article 50 - as that puts all negotiations on an automatic two year timer. These negotiations will take a long time due to complexity - better to get them right first time rather than hurry it.
Don't forget the harassment and terrorism these "immigrant workers" will receive for taking the jobs of White British people and not being able to speak British English
But at least they won't be called Welfare Queens any longer.
phisheep
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I think (as I posted during the campaign period) that delaying is exactly the right thing to do.
There is so much political turmoil now as a result of the referendum, with the traditional voting base of both the major parties ripped in two, with the probability that no person now commands the confidence of the House of Commons, with the certainty of one party leader going and the probability of another - that we are in no position to give a negotiating team a mandate. Or perhaps even to appoint a negotiating team.
There has to be some political stuff happen in the UK first.
(I hope to post at more length on the UK political fallout either this evening or tomorrow, but it is all rather messy).
I'm starting to wonder what all those European far-right parties actually want to do if they achieve their goal of leaving the EU. What's the plan here? Rewrite the rules of trade because that sure would work in your favour? Launch your own currency and just print it whenever you feel like it to kickstart a hyper deflation? Close your borders? Even if you did all of that, how long do you think it would take for even the biggest idiots to understand their mistakes?
Don't think Leavers did either.
Miles Quaritch
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The way he was talking yesterday, I can understand why someone would feel that way, but it will happen eventually. If not by him, by Gove or May. Oh God, there's a real possibility that May could be the next Prime Minister.
I only just realised that's a real possibility now. Fuck.
As for Johnson, you could say he pivoted...I suspect because he didn't realise people would be outside his house calling him all sorts and booing him. It's the same with Osbourne at the Olympics, its almost as if they do genuinely live in bubbles and don't realise how much anger/hate there is out there for them.
Public shaming will have absolutely no effect on a creature like Johnson.
The plan is and has always been an irrational hatred of The Other. They don't care about economic aspects, as seen in their allyship with neo-liberal and fiscally conservative parties.
What they care about are the moral and cultural aspects of ideology - race, ethnicity, gender, language, etc. They want an impossible past where only White English Masculine Heterosexual Men existed. They resent anyone not fitting that mold and the complexities of the world are intentionally disregarded to the point of an immature child.
Just look at the refugee situation and how they want to handle it. There's no realpolitik, only blissful ideology, no matter the consequences and damages. Look no further than this blissful bullshit than this election where people actively hurt themselves and each other due to irrational fear of The Other.
"damn that EU and forcing us to adopt their pesky human rights!!"
Ridiculous scaremongering. It wasn't the EU that passed the gay marriage bill.
you can literally google the term brexit and all the fears is in your face
Reread the tweet... it isn't scaremongering.
There are human/worker's rights related bills that the UK will need to re-pass/do, and we can't exactly trust the most right wing parliament we've had in many years to give us what we already had.
Arent' there some brown people in the UK? Maybe some poor people and LGBT people as well
Read the tweet again. "outside of marriage" and read Stump's post:
It's not scaremongering, it's your reality.
No, it was David Cameron in defiance of the right wing of his party. The wing that have just won a crushing victory against him.
Same as the daily rags in most places. Muslims.
Now the question is how transparent will those negotiations be. You can't just tell the public everything but what if after all is said and done the people of the UK wake up to far less rights?
That's not how it works. The negotiations won't implode once two years past. Both parties can agree to postpone the countdown. Plus, not executing Article 50 immediately is the worst thing you can do regarding the market. The market wants clarity. And also what if there's a crisis happening in a month and there needs to be a vote? Does UK have a say in said vote? They could just block everything, why should they care about the EU anymore?
Jezbollah
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Pretty much. The majority of Tory MPs voted Remain. Those same Tories would block any anti-LGBT laws attempted to be passed by those "far right"
executing A50 is negotiation suicide - it gives EU all the power in any negotiation. They need no goodwill in these conversations if a clock is running. There's no way they would agree to postpone the countdown. I know I wouldnt if I was in their position.
SporeCrawler
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Lol what? is this democracy?
Wouldn't be wonderful if those pensions were revoked. I wonder if there is a legal basis for it.
- Severe economic negative impact on the economy
- Legitimizing far-right sentiments
- Fueling racism across the country and in other EU nations
- The UK is in a worse position than before
- Loss of jobs and EU funding
- Loss of science, education, and public health cooperation between EU nations
- The UK has to start all over with their trade agreements
Plus a whole host of other things you should be scared of.
This is objectively a bad move by all accounts. The world and the UK especially have become a worse place to be in after the vote.
All because of something that has absolutely zero to do with the British people's grievances. It's an incredibly big, bad joke and no one is laughing
Those on benefits and single mothers, just like the good old days.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
But the EU side can only postpone the deadline by unanimity among the remaining member states. That unanimity will come at a price.
It is in the best interests of the EU to have article 50 invoked as soon as possible because it gives them an advantage in negotiations. It is in the best interests of the UK to delay until we are good and ready.
The referendum wasn't legally binding. It was a glorified opinion poll, in legal terms. We must now do all we can to make sure it is never acted upon.
The_Hitcher89
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Invoke Article 50 sounds like some Steven Seagal shit
It would be hilarious if the Germans go ahead and invoke Article 50 aqnd the UK challenges it in the EU court.
Depressingly true.
Depressingly true.
phisheep
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I've just checked. there doesn't seem to be any basis for revoking them, but then they never expected anyone to leave either.
It would not play well in the EU to continue paying pensions to a country that secedes.
From what I understand there's basically one chance to undo this. If, when Cameron steps down and we have a new Tory leader, they continue negotiations with Brussels, we may be able to get some kind of 11th hour deal & with that on the table they can call a general election with that as a key point, or at least another referendum to make one last pitch at not leaving the EU.
Am I dreaming, GAF? There's no hope of this happening, is there?
Am I dreaming, GAF? There's no hope of this happening, is there?
LordRaptor
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Of course they will, they get to have their cake and eat it.
Every perk they can grab while not actually doing their job they get to point at and say "look, look how stupid and corrupt the EU is, look how right I was - I just made this much money by doing fuck all!"
Where are the Leave campaigners telling us to invoke Article 50 asap? Isn't that what they should be calling for? The voters even?
Or is it just going to be a couple of years of the misinformed and bigoted telling anyone who doesn't look or sound English to go back to their country?
#takebackcontrol
Or is it just going to be a couple of years of the misinformed and bigoted telling anyone who doesn't look or sound English to go back to their country?
#takebackcontrol
AnathemicOne
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I don't see Cameron retracting his statement of resignation, as bullshit as it may seem, the referendum will be carried out I predict.
SporeCrawler
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The europeans see it differently they want UK out ASAP
EU may also just dissolve and be established again without UK (what many people forget is that this happened a few times the last time with the treaty of lissabon)
The rest of the EU sems to want to change the EU anyways (closer union)
UK is not the only one effected here. I dont care if the UK has internal turmoil. The rest of EU wants a clear situation ASAP. I find it funny how you think that the UK is the only relevant party here.
Youll most likely need a visa like any other alien. Conditions may vary
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