Gordon Shumway
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A man shot at a deputy and lived. A man went for his wallet and died. What's the problem with his post exactly?
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Woman records boyfriend after getting shot by the Police on Facebook
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A man shot at a deputy and lived. A man went for his wallet and died. What's the problem with his post exactly?
NavyPharaoh
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They demonized every single one of us. And IMO if a good cop can't call out a bad one he's a bad cop too. Covering for your own just cause y'all wear the same colors sounds just like a gang to me.
I share all the feelings my fellow black members feel. It's hard for me to enjoy playing games right now. You got people being executed in the streets and I'm supposed to just sit back & enjoy entertainment?
IMO we have 2 options, leave the country in mass exodus OR fight the powers that be. Unfortunately we are too unorganized to do either.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Holy shit. I wouldn't be able to control myself from screaming at that jackass. That guy is basically sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming "la la la la la la la!"
Theanine3D
Member
No child should have to live through something like this.
This is heartbreaking.
And enraging. Because the cop knew that kid was present yet still shot her dad in front of her anyway.
Oppo
Member
fair enough
That was heartbreaking. Someone earlier posted that they can't even imagine what it must like to be black in America, and I'll have to echo that sentiment. What a fucked up system we have, made worse by people who refuse to acknowledge that there's anything wrong.
Why aren't body cams required law for every police officer everywhere. I don't understand any arguments against it. It protects the good police and helps keep bad police in check. It protects the accused. It's the one thing you probably want video evidence of all the time: ensuring the apprehension of a suspect is legal
Then they're bad cops.
Yeah, it sucks that they'd lose their jobs, or possibly be murdered, for speaking up, that's why the system is broken.
But I don't give a fuck. Their job is to uphold the law and they're failing to do that.
Every single cop who lets shit like this happen without speaking up and speaking out against it is a chicken shit coward and a bad cop.
If you find yourself working a job where you're routinely asked to look the other way while your fellow employees violate rules and harm people, have the decency to quit if you don't have the fucking spine to speak up.
They just break them. Or say they fell off. Or just don't turn them on.
Problem is they can be easy to fuck with as evidenced earlier this week.
"Mine fell off!"
"Mine too!"
elrechazado
Banned
Thread moves so fast - has there been any statement on the officer in this case? Any administrative action or investigation?
SolidSnakex
Member
Even those aren't enough apparently as in the Alton case both officers bodycams were conveniently knocked off.
Of the two current police shooting cases being tried in the court of public opinion, this is the one that is most chilling to me.
By all accounts, this man was not resisting arrest, was a legal gun owner, and following the established rules of concealed carry by identifying himself to the officer as a lawful gun owner.
Our society today too often white and black resists arrest and bad things almost always happen when you resist arrest.
I was always taught that if a police officer approaches you, you follow all commands and didn't give them any excuses to harm you even if you feel you did nothing wrong. That's what we have a court system for.
As a lawful gun owner, this case is fucking scary.
You're not supposed to be shot when you're complying with an officer's commands...
By all accounts, this man was not resisting arrest, was a legal gun owner, and following the established rules of concealed carry by identifying himself to the officer as a lawful gun owner.
Our society today too often white and black resists arrest and bad things almost always happen when you resist arrest.
I was always taught that if a police officer approaches you, you follow all commands and didn't give them any excuses to harm you even if you feel you did nothing wrong. That's what we have a court system for.
As a lawful gun owner, this case is fucking scary.
You're not supposed to be shot when you're complying with an officer's commands...
Dusktildawn48
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im not anti police most the time, but when will these corrupt ones learn? they may have been able to do this before social media and before every phone had a camera on its like they just cant learn. hope he gets charged to the fullest extent.
probably wont happen.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
If you're SCARED as fuck then why the fuck are you a COP?
Don't try to equate what by and large happens to white people when they resist arrest to what happens to us when we so much as struggle just to fucking breathe.
Ploid 3.0
Member
And my old retired uncle (black) got a license and a gun to carry because the news bombard him with fear and he felt like he needed to have one to protect himself and his wife. In the end it could get him injured or killed (Mississippi).
I talked to him about it:
Do you think a enemy would give you a chance to point the gun at them and accurately shoot them if you absolutely had to shoot?
Will you miss and shoot a kid?
Do you think you will instead provide the enemy with a extra weapon as they take it from you?
He was too far gone in the fear campaign and couldn't be reasoned with. NRA customer +1 Oh he also tells me that police have the right to do whatever they want and can't understand when people protest bad cops. This is a guy that had muscle cars way back in the day, and would outrun cops, and reminisce about the time he caused a cop car to flip over.
Officer will say he was scared, he was a threat, and the US will move on as usual.
Specialmias
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Many officers often have no idea how to handle lawful gun owners and get jumpy. Let's not forget this train wreck:
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/30/gun-owners-fear-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/
ShockingAlberto
Member
You can require body cams for every cop and they would still find some way to break at important moments or fall off everyone involved.
What the fuck are they supposed to learn? They fucking get off almost every single fucking time. The only difference between then and now is the 6 months paid vacation and the hero worship from right wing media and the money from their viewership.
I'd argue that it is fair to demonize all of them because they're protected and everyone else isnt. They can switch jobs if they catch hurt feelings.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
And sometimes even with full, high quality video a prosecutor will send the case to die to a grand jury that chooses not to indict.
It doesn't matter. When even the "good cops" can't do anything but sit on their ass and behave because they'll get blackballed for attempting to do the right thing, #notallcops means absolutely nothing. I'm tired of the hair-splitting.
I don't get the point of the body cams if saying they were knocked off is an acceptable answer. They will just do that every time
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
What good are body cameras when they fall off as soon as something you need to see happens?
SolidSnakex
Member
Well, they already say they were scared for their lives and that works literally every single fucking time.
At some point you have to wonder why these people are issued guns if they can barely handle a camera.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I am fully willing to believe officers have a sudden fear for their lives in a lot of instances and massively overreact.
But we as a nation have decided we're just not going to talk about why they have a sudden fear of death from black people and not white ones and we're not going to talk about how you never, never fucking overreact with deadly force.
We can't punish cops who did it because they didn't intend to do it. I disagree, but sure, if you want to make that argument, I will argue with you.
But also we can't talk about the underlying problems. Here you're just willfully blind and shouldn't have a vote in this anymore.
But we as a nation have decided we're just not going to talk about why they have a sudden fear of death from black people and not white ones and we're not going to talk about how you never, never fucking overreact with deadly force.
We can't punish cops who did it because they didn't intend to do it. I disagree, but sure, if you want to make that argument, I will argue with you.
But also we can't talk about the underlying problems. Here you're just willfully blind and shouldn't have a vote in this anymore.
Happened to a family member 20+ years ago. If I remember correctly, 3 police officers pulled him over and beat him to death. His mom (my great-aunt) was a millionaire and raised hell, but they all just got transfered in the end. I think one is still an officer in Pennsylvania now. A bit different situation though in that I think they'd specifically targeted him over some corrupt business they had going on.
I brought up the story once with coworkers during a conversation about police brutality. One imediately said "he did something wrong to get beaten like that." I wanted to put his head through the table right there.
I wonder how things might be different if things were recorded like they are now.
Nerd_Incognito
Member
Can you recap what he said? Love the dude and always listen to what he and Laurence Holmes have to say about, well, everything really.
i3allistic
Member
$$$$ and pension
Doesn't stop cops from shooting people, anyway.
Shooting minorities with no major consequences?
State, city and county policing is like the fucking wild west right now. There are no unified standards, no nationwide system of conduct and consequences. It's just whatever the fuck each state, city or county feels like. And prosecuting cops is even worse because the local DA and prosecutors have working (and social) relationships with their cops.
i3allistic
Member
Yep, those corrupted unions...
There are two steps to help prevent problems like this.
- Punish bad actors like these to set a precident for expected behavior when representing law enforcement.
- Take serious steps to reform recruitment and training of officers so they don't panic and lash out like in situations like these.
Neither of these steps have really occurred and show no sign of occurring. Until they do, shit like this will keep happening.
Police unions are nothing more than a specialized NRA.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
I've known people in uniform to protest within their own departments about things they felt were wrong. I know you are angry and you have a right to be, but if you think this, then I can't agree with you.
I can't even begin to understand what's going on in her mind as she's recording this. And I mean that in an empathic way, it's good that she did record it but man, she's tough as nails for keeping it together like she did.
Edit: Holy fuck the way they treat her when the other cops arrive. Not a single shred of humanity displayed, like she could take them all out in a second. Fucking scum.
Edit: Holy fuck the way they treat her when the other cops arrive. Not a single shred of humanity displayed, like she could take them all out in a second. Fucking scum.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Well, think about it in reverse.
Why don't cops ever get indicted? Because it's politically bad for prosecutors to bring down the hammer on cops. Why is it bad? Because cops are so respected and well-liked by white, middle-class families that only see them as protection and very occasional annoyances.
This attracts people to the job, they are told throughout their lives that it's a higher calling, that you will get so much respect, that there's a sense of camaraderie that is unrivaled in any other profession. That brings people to do a job that is, quite frankly, very dangerous and very few people are actually suited for. You get people in there that crave respect and power and have never had to deal with the scariest parts of society, until they do, and it either shapes them or ruins them and then they ruin others as a consequence of that.
I'm not saying we should disrespect cops or treat them like dirt, but demystifying the profession a little bit and ensuring cops get proper training would be a great fucking first step.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
If you look at his Twitter account, what he posted late last night is more or less what he said. But definitely check out the podcast (which I'll post when it's available...I'll probably make a separate thread for it). It's the first 20 minutes or so of the show today. He's in tears for part of it.
A.D. Skinner
Member
Aw man, the kid "it's ok, I'm right here wit'chu"
Damn.
Damn.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
I agree with this. A big allure of the job is the power that comes with it. Couple that with people who are racist, xenophobic, and so on, and you have a problem.
I'd argue that many people don't even recognize that they hold racial stereotypes until they're put in a situation that makes them uncomfortable, and then suddenly they're flooded with these thoughts that, at that moment, confirm their suspicions, despite all along believing that they were equal, fair and forthright.
NavyPharaoh
Member
That's fine your entitled to your own perspective. It's just I don't see any ever on TV condemning these things. No one in uniform is out protesting when things of this nature happen. I only see them gathering to stop those protesting.
Mammoth Jones
Member
This was exactly the distinction I was implying with my post. Sorry if it's uncomfortable for some of ya.
elrechazado
Banned
Looking for actual info.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
I know. Media is a big fucking issue. They're pathetic in calling this a systematic issue of racism and police brutality.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
494 whites shot dead by the police in 2015, making them number 1. Do you want more? Do you want a fair ratio?
The ratio for blacks is horrible and we can expect a racist motivation but this IF HE WAS BLACK HE'D BE DEAD mentality is wrong imo. It insults the other victims.
Leatherface
Member
I feel like a part of my soul is dying watching these videos. That one really got to me. fuck. 
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