VistraNorrez
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Somewhat unrelated, but because this won't offer BC to the WiiU, Nintendo should rebrand the WiiU as some sort of Virtual Console at a $150 or less price.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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They're launching new NES (and probably SNES) mini consoles specifically for that.
The tablet controller is the problem.
I wonder if they could release a Wii U with just a pro controller (i.e. give the people what they want) for cheaper.
InquisitorAles
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"New Tegra 2"? Tegra 2 was released in 2010 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra Current Tegra chip is Tegra X1
You're forgetting two extremely important things about the Shield TV.
- It's well over a year old even now
- It's an Nvidia product.
boneyjangles
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Well, i think it's bigger than ever, even if it has moved over mostly to phones/tablets. Devices which have almost completely failed to get any traction with anything but pure touchscreen controls. It's been a boon for new genres, and creativity, but traditional gaming on there is still hamstrung on there by the lack of traditional controls.
Which brings me to thinking that Indy support will make the difference on this. Screw the big third parties, if this has Nintendo's back catalogue plus a bunch of the best mobile games flooding over, the third parties and big publishers will follow suit, just like they did on iOS/Android.
I thought this would happen with iOS and Android, i thought kids would sit around a tablet with BT controllers, but it just hasn't happened, and not because i don't think it's a good idea or desirable, on those devices you just have to target pure touch controls.
Even if they can get indy support to at least the levels as seen on ps4 it could be a mobile game changer.
Even if they fail in this regard, i still think it could do OK, DS/3DS level of success. But if they get it right it could be there biggest ever console.
Lady Siara
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I'd assume the screen is touch compatible. Being able to remove the controller bits on the sides and having no way to control it that way would be asinine.
Didn't even consider that it was up for debate really.
Edit: Ah, the controllers themselves could be powered. Still, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a touch screen.
Didn't even consider that it was up for debate really.
Edit: Ah, the controllers themselves could be powered. Still, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a touch screen.
Memorabilia
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Interesting idea.
Except his point was for people to play Wii U games that almost assuredly won't be available in any BC fashion on NX (unless they're ported and come with a new full sale price of course).
The NES mini is nice. A SNES mini would be awesome (and sell a billion units). But the Wii U has a nice software lineup of exclusives that a lot of people never got to play because the Wii U didn't sell well at its price point.
Portugeezer
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The X2 speculation would make sense from what we know (about the current X1 devkit using a fan?).
Would be a pretty expensive handheld though, no?
Doesn't seem likely.
Would be a pretty expensive handheld though, no?
Doesn't seem likely.
Virtual Console doesn't equal Wii U though. There nothing Virtual about a rebranded Wii U.
Polioliolio
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I'm intrigued. Can't wait for the reveal. Hope they have games ready for this shit.
Sour about not getting a 3D World 2.. Put it on this please.
Sour about not getting a 3D World 2.. Put it on this please.
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Deleted member 752119
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Tegra X2 that some are rumoring to be in NX.
If whoever producing the screen chucks it in for super cheap then sure but going by trends for 3D - no.
That's true.
Even more reason for Nintendo to use Tegra X2.
Heck $250 looks more likely now (since there's a screen and batteries involved + R%D costs from Nintendo's side).
KojiKnight
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Not necessarily. Mobile phone chips are actually pretty cheap (they are really small, easy to mass produce), and Nintendo is likely getting a really good price on them.
The NX is module. It harkens back to the expansion pack, sega cd days. The controller itself will look like a mobile keyboard, but have a built in server to cloud stream more power, while at the same time charge the phone, share specs, and overall be an affordable solution for console like graphics in mobiles. This is why Sony and MS are in a red sea. Nintendo doesn't need to make more tflops to pwn, they can compensate with taking advantage of units people already own.
Dagobert Duck
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No way, thats far too expensive
SoraNoKuni
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Tegra? Nooooooo...
If this thing won't go well I doubt 3rd parties will even attempt to port games on it.
If this thing won't go well I doubt 3rd parties will even attempt to port games on it.
Cow Mengde
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To everyone saying no BC... why? I'm sure it's powerful enough to emulate everything from NES - Wii. Not WiiU, but not like anything can emulate it right now. Why are we so sure the NX won't have BC for the older consoles/handhelds?
How much much of a power boost are people expecting from the dock? I have a hard time imagining that any freed up processing power will provide enough juice for anything more than a resolution bump from whatever resolution the handheld will offer to something that is more in line with modern TVs.
That would mean NX is DOA.
The fact that it uses carts and won't have dual screens.
gundamkyoukai
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No one is saying NX won't have Virtual Console support. When people speak of backwards compatibility, they usually refer to the previous console. ;p
Father_Brain
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"Compatible" is a vague word. Could just be referring to cross-platform My Nintendo integration.
I'm not ruling out NX getting ports of mobile games, but the idea seems weird and pointless given that those games are designed first and foremost for platforms much more friendly to pick-up-and-play experiences.
All this talk about 3rd parties... Nintendo doesn't need the same games that are on ps4 xboxone. Nintendo has a really good first party, and japanese 3rd party. They just need to open it to indies and it's done.
Okami Haundo
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This rumor is making me think about the people who swear up and down that the NX will consist of a handheld and a console component. From what I gather, people with that viewpoint are going off "insider" information and reports that mention multiple SKU's for the NX. Here's my thought:
- In the world of retail, a SKU is primarily used for keeping inventory. It doesn't have to mean two entirely different products, it could just be two variants of the same product. IE: Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Arcade units were different SKU's. Wii-U Deluxe and Basic are also different SKU's.
- If the rumor in the OP is true, the dock could most likely have some extra processing power (an SCD) that upscales content from the handheld unit for your TV.
- Based on the information above and various Nintendo patents, my thinking is that there will be two SKU's available at launch. One that comes with the dock, controller attachements, and a screen. Another will come with just the dock and controller attachements, allowing you to use an (approved) smart device or tablet for a lower entry price.
Thoughts? Let's talk about what this thing could be.
- In the world of retail, a SKU is primarily used for keeping inventory. It doesn't have to mean two entirely different products, it could just be two variants of the same product. IE: Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Arcade units were different SKU's. Wii-U Deluxe and Basic are also different SKU's.
- If the rumor in the OP is true, the dock could most likely have some extra processing power (an SCD) that upscales content from the handheld unit for your TV.
- Based on the information above and various Nintendo patents, my thinking is that there will be two SKU's available at launch. One that comes with the dock, controller attachements, and a screen. Another will come with just the dock and controller attachements, allowing you to use an (approved) smart device or tablet for a lower entry price.
Thoughts? Let's talk about what this thing could be.
I think the dock will be dumb, that just allows for the console to draw more power and the clocks are unlocked to allow more resolution. If the dock has another chip, the tech required to make the console and the dock work together and theprice of the dock itself would be astronomical.
darkistheway
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The thread is approaching 150 pages. People have been talking about it. A lot.
Portugeezer
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Yeah but this would also mean Nintendo won't have to split its handheld and console development... in theory. I don't know if they really plan on having this replace handheld and consoles forever.
If you want to play BF1 don't get a Nintendo console.
In my opinion, if they can get the dedicated console versions of EA Sports and 2K Sports games, they will be able to really drive some units.
They aren't going to get the third party support that Sony and Microsoft get.
However, if they get the mass market casual 3rd party games like sports (and Call of Duty), couple with the Play Anywhere hook and Nintendo IP, they could be on to something.
Wrestlemania
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Third party support is barely going to matter given that they've only got one system to support. All of Nintendo's development focused on one system plus the slightly better third party support they've got on their handhelds.
It's not going to be lacking software, other than from Western devs.
It's not going to be lacking software, other than from Western devs.
Gotdatmoney
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Which is why it was preceded with "the sales for software on those systems were not good when their successors came out"
But of course you ignored that.
Yea both of these posts are true.
Mortorola did a phone with Tegra and for whatever reason didnt go back to it. I assumed it had cellular issues. Maybe it was power consumption.
But Tegra was still used after that in tablets and the Shield.
Astronomical? Like a million dollars?
A million and one dollars.
Just Dance 4 on Wii U lets you do exactly that using the Gamepad as an Off-TV screen.
Xion_Stellar
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So I'm reading this right either:
A-This is just a stronger handheld with TV Output
B-This is a stronger Handheld with a Dock Station that provides additional power akin to an MSI GS30 laptop.
I'm all in for supporting those scenarios but I will say this isn't as creative or innovating as Nintendo was making it sound it would be (Both of those scenarios have been done before) and to me it seems like Nintendo has effectively dropped out of the Console market.
A-This is just a stronger handheld with TV Output
B-This is a stronger Handheld with a Dock Station that provides additional power akin to an MSI GS30 laptop.
I'm all in for supporting those scenarios but I will say this isn't as creative or innovating as Nintendo was making it sound it would be (Both of those scenarios have been done before) and to me it seems like Nintendo has effectively dropped out of the Console market.
Kingpin Rogers
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Depends on how you view this thing and what kind of 3rd party games you want from it. I'd be pretty pleased if the 3rd party devs who are making games for 3ds and Vita transition over to NX. If you're thinking about big console western support then you're right, it won't have much of a chance of getting those games.
That's what I want to know too.
You're supposed to be able to play BotW on that thing.
it seems like Nintendo is positioning the NX to be where mobile gamers will "graduate" to, so to speak, so having all their mobile stuff work on NX seems like a no brainer as to make that transition easier.
"oh you like pokemon go and animal crossing mobile thingy? well here's their full fledged counterparts on NX! and hey, all your mobile stuff transfers over too!"
You are looking at this from the wrong direction... Basically the logical way to create a device like this is to have active cooling in the device, but only use it when clocked high. Using a qHD screen like the Vita and a 5inch to 6inch screen should give a fair resolution to your games, while allowing the device to only worry about 500k pixels per frame, so you only need 1/4th the clock.
Lets say the X2 is a 384cuda core chip with a max standard clock of 1.6ghz (reasonable for Pascal) obviously this isn't something you could do in a handheld with any sort of battery life and without the fan being active, so you clock it at 1/4th that clock or 400mhz, this gives you 307gflops, which for 540p gaming with pascal, should net you between XB1 and PS4 performance. You then dock the device and allow the GPU to upclock to it's max standard clock of 1.6ghz, giving you 1.228TFLOPs, almost exactly what XB1 has, but pascal? you see a ~30% performance increase over GCN, so this would feel like an AMD GPU with 1.6tflops, hitting just below PS4.
This would be a device built with hybrid in mind, with X1 it becomes more tricky, you end up with a 128gflops handheld and a 512gflops console (when docked), still very powerful when compared to Vita, and maybe 2 to 3 times as powerful when compared to Wii U (assuming you are doing 1080p vs Wii U's more often than not 720p) it is lack luster and can only really do XB1 1080p ports at 720p. I feel X2 is the only choice for them, and the performance depends heavily on how many cuda cores X2 has, 384 is the magic number here, which is 50% more than X1, it's possible that Nintendo creates the perfect hybrid, but we will have to wait and see.
visiblemode
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The included image looks very un-Nintendo.
It doesn't look sturdy and kids won't lose the controller bits?
I'm all in on anything Nintendo, but this whole thing is a headscratcher.
For example. What multi-kid family doesn't have multiple N handhelds. Parents know, kids want one each. In fact, I want my own too. How does this work under NX?
It doesn't look sturdy and kids won't lose the controller bits?
I'm all in on anything Nintendo, but this whole thing is a headscratcher.
For example. What multi-kid family doesn't have multiple N handhelds. Parents know, kids want one each. In fact, I want my own too. How does this work under NX?
Megatron
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Under that scenario, all the processing power would be in the dock. The dock woukd just be a small console.
If they were packaged seperately its more likely that one would be the portable version only- no dock.
darkistheway
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The image is not from Nintendo. So that explains why it doesn't look like them.
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