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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept

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Wafflecakes said:
$199 = Will Buy
$249 = Might Buy
$299 = Will Not Buy


Your move Nintendo.
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I'd buy at any of those prices unless I end up hating it when it's revealed. I'll be ditching my Wii U, 3DS and Vita before buying NX so that (along with selling the few games I still have) should make my out of pocket cost nil.

I don't need the cash from selling, I'm just trying to downsize my gaming shit as I don't have time for gaming on so many platforms. That will leave me with PC, NX and PS4. And I may ditch the latter at some point, and definitely will be PC and Nintendo only after this console "gen."
 
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KAL2006 said:
That's probably day 1 price for just tablet and controller attachment

But dock bundle will no doubt be $250 to $300 depending if it has additional processor. 250 with no additional processor and 300 with additional processor it depends what Nintendo are going for.

Has any experts on GAF found out the cost to having additional processor on the dock and the technical cost of doing this.
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Regardless of whether the dock has an additional processor, I think there should be an included dock to put it on the television - and perhaps an extra cost for the extra processing power.
 
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bananafactory

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So I'm just catching up on all this, let me see if I have it straight.

NX is basically a handheld 3DS successor. But it has a dock and TV out option.

Does the power level mean third party support is pretty much dead, outside of games designed specifically for it?
 
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notaskwid said:
One thing about the price, a Surface pro 4 costs like 1000 euros and is still very much weaker than a PS4 or Xbox1, right? How will Nintendo make a portable console more powerful than it and sell it for 200~?
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Because it wont even be in the same league as a Surface Pro 4.

Its a successor to the 3DS, that works with your TV. Not the WiiU that competes with the X1.
 
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With Xbox 1 and PS4 being around the $299 level, I think Nintendo knows they need to come in $100 lower than that to convince people. I'm on the $199 train at this point. Would be an amazing price point for impulse buys.
 
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Hakai said:
Eurogamer clearly states that the brains of the NX are within the controller.
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It's still not clear that there isn't processing power in the dock.

You could have two of the same brain, one in my body and one in Usain Bolt's body - one is clearly going to run better.
 
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Hakai

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Lulzwagon said:
Yeah but Nintendo's patent references enhancing performance of an external device, so one does not negate the other.
I could be completely off base here though.
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The dock can provide additional power, I will just not assume that as of right now, since Eurogamer seem to have this info from people who had the dev kits and talked about the power ballpark of the system. If the dock would add power I think it would be mentioned.
 
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bananafactory said:
So I'm just catching up on all this, let me see if I have it straight.

NX is basically a handheld 3DS successor. But it has a dock and TV out option.

Does the power level mean third party support is pretty much dead, outside of games designed specifically for it?
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It means it has a better chance of getting Android and iOS ports than it does big AAA titles.
 
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notaskwid said:
One thing about the price, a Surface pro 4 costs like 1000 euros and is still very much weaker than a PS4 or Xbox1, right? How will Nintendo make a portable console more powerful than it and sell it for 200~?
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How can Xbone and PS4 be so cheap while being much powerful than a Surface pro 4 that costs like $1000? Black magic!
 
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Lulzwagon said:
Yeah but Nintendo's patent references enhancing performance of an external device, so one does not negate the other.
I could be completely off base here though.
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You're not off base at all. At the very least it's likely that docking will allow over clocking the processors due to being on power supply and possibly providing active cooling.

It could also do more and provide more processing or RAM etc. if it is a supplemental computing device as referenced in their patent.
 
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KAL2006

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bananafactory said:
So I'm just catching up on all this, let me see if I have it straight.

NX is basically a handheld 3DS successor. But it has a dock and TV out option.

Does the power level mean third party support is pretty much dead, outside of games designed specifically for it?
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Pretty much. Dont expect The Wither 3 on this. Nintendo are most likely going to double down with their internal teams as they only need to support 1 system. They will get the odd games from Ubisoft. As for 3rd party support I am going to assume they are hoping handheld Japanese devs jump aboard as well as indie developers from console ans PC and indie developers from Android and iOS.
 
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Plinko said:
With Xbox 1 and PS4 being around the $299 level, I think Nintendo knows they need to come in $100 lower than that to convince people. I'm on the $199 train at this point. Would be an amazing price point for impulse buys.
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Eh by Holidays 2017 Xbone will be $200 and PS4 $250 tops with all those Neo and Scorpio.
 
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Plinko said:
With Xbox 1 and PS4 being around the $299 level, I think Nintendo knows they need to come in $100 lower than that to convince people. I'm on the $199 train at this point. Would be an amazing price point for impulse buys.
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I can't imagine it being this cheap with Nintendo feeling entitled to profit on hardware sales almost regardless of context. I'd consider jumping in for a hybrid with access to all Nintendo games for 200.
 
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Anth0ny

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casey_contra said:
This quote from IGN - based on the Eurogamer article, is a little disheartening:

"According to Eurogamer, the central processing will be handled in the handheld itself, with a TV docking station - into which the console can be plugged - seemingly providing only an external display and not the extra processing power that's been rumoured for some time."
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tv docking station has 2 fucking jobs

1. output the image onto a tv screen

2. allow the use of up to 8 GC controllers for use with the new smash bros game

simple
 
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Griss

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keakster said:
Not sure if this has been discussed, but where do people think the price point for games will come in?

Hand held games have come in around $40 forever, while console games have been floating between $60-$70. Are we going to see $50 games across the board? Or is Zelda and Mario going to be $60 and more typical hand held games still running $40?
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I'd like to see them compromise. These games will be more complicated than 3DS games but are still handheld games at heart. So I'd suggest $50 for their marquee franchises, and $35-40 for their smaller games like Mario Tennis etc.

Price is going to be a huge issue here. People's perceived value of games these days comes down to amount of content and quality of visuals a lot of the time. If Nintendo is charging $60 for a 2D Mario game next to, I don't know, GTAVI, it won't look great from a value perspective imo. I know some people hate that argument.

And I really think they need to have a couple of F2P games ready at launch, even if they're just glorified demos called F2P to fool people. The modern casual customer expects to be able to get some apps and games for free just for the entry price of buying the machine. The fact that that free shit is heavily gimped or monetised / advertised to hell and back etc doesn't matter to that consumer, only that they can take the machine home and start using it without paying a dime.

Smash Bros F2P would be perfect. You can play a round every hour or so, and pay to unlock the timer etc. Real typical, horrible F2P shit. (Let's not pretend Nintendo doesn't do this now - hello Pokemon Shuffle, Badge Arcade etc.) Meanwhile the rest of us just buy the full game as normal, and the F2P version is designed to make it clear that if you like the game that's your best bet.
 
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casey_contra said:
This quote from IGN - based on the Eurogamer article, is a little disheartening:

"According to Eurogamer, the central processing will be handled in the handheld itself, with a TV docking station - into which the console can be plugged - seemingly providing only an external display and not the extra processing power that's been rumoured for some time."
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"Rumoured for some time" where exactly? We didn't know it had a TV docking station until yesterday, did we?

Unless they are getting confused with the supplemental computing device patents, which I don't think relate to the leaked EG info at all (yet). SCD's could still well be something Nintendo are planning on making.
 
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notaskwid

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KingSnake said:
How can Xbone and PS4 be so cheap while being much powerful than a Surface pro 4 that costs like $1000? Black magic!
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Surely when you put your internals in a box that sits under a tv in a bigger form factor, with no screen, battery, etc, you can make something much more powerful for much cheaper. Not really the case with the NX as it seems. I get that it should have a more modern architecture and that the Surface Pro is sold at a premium, just doesn't seem realist to me to expect near X1 performance on a portable at an affordable price.
 
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Burdmayn said:
For your first comment, what makes you think that? I'm of the mind that it would be entirely possible for them to have a dock that gives the "handheld" of sorts a power boost. I don't think the dock having some supplemental power means the handheld has to be dumb. I'm not going to pretend that I know enough to say definitively either way.

I feel the opposite way about your second statement. I think this will be revealed and marketed as a "console" that you can also take with you on the go with sacrifices. Though many people are looking at this as a handheld for your TV, it's obvious that Nintendo doesn't plan on ditching the 3DS any time soon.
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If you are using a third party tablet or phone, I cant see how nintendo could utilize that processing power and incorporate it. Their own hardware? Sure? But somebody else's? It doesnt seem likely. The idea of using them as second screens in party environments ala you dont know jack is possible, but I would think the processing power would still be handled by the dock.

Your theory about how the skus could be packaged differently depends on either being able to use peocessing power from third parties, or putting all the processing power in the dock. From what we currently know, those dont seem likely. But selling a barebones handheld unit without the dock does seem likely to me. It gets the price down and the dock and controllers and cables can always be bought seperately.
 
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Anth0ny said:
it's a well known fact that a very small number of consumers actually use BC when they get their new console. shockingly, they want to play NEW games with their new console, not old ones!

the players like ourselves still exploring and and updating our last gen collections to play on a new gen console is a very small audience. it is not worth the cost to any hardware manufacturer to add backwards compatibility in at this point, especially considering the market has spoken AND is willing to pay $40+ for remastered versions of older games.
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The remasters thing is very much an SD to HD phase, helped along by the lack of BC in recent Sony/MS consoles. BC is more about allowing an even continuity of gaming from one system to the next, as no system has ever had enough launch titles, and tentpole titles often take years between sequels.
Also, don't forget BC isn't just about games. I saved a lot of money in the transfer from GC to Wii, and Wii to WiiU by being able to use controllers from previous systems for multiplayer.

Irrespective of all that, I haven't been expecting BC since they announced it as the new 'third-pillar' (though DS had GBA compatibility, so I still had a little hope). On top of that I wouldn't have been expecting WiiU BC unless it had a disc drive, or 3DS BC unless it used a similar screen layout.

Expecting BC in a cartridge based handheld with a new form factor would be somewhat silly.
 
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KAL2006 said:
Pretty much. Dont expect The Wither 3 on this. Nintendo are most likely going to double down with their internal teams as they only need to support 1 system. They will get the odd games from Ubisoft. As for 3rd party support I am going to assume they are hoping handheld Japanese devs jump aboard as well as indie developers from console ans PC and indie developers from Android and iOS.
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That's completely it.

There's little market for the big AAA multiplatform games on Nintendo hardware. Fans of those games already have other hardware and aren't going to switch mid gen even if NX was equal to or greater in power. A lot of Nintendo fans are Nintendo fans precisely because they don't like mainstream AAA gaming these days.

Nintendo's success is in effectively appealing to and monetizing the market of people who want 1) their games. 2) JRPGs and other Japanese developer exclusive game types that are few and far between on PS/Xbox. Indies help, both those are everywhere.

So really their market boils down to:

1. Their current base.

2. Lapsed Nintendo fans who loved, Mario, Zelda, et al. but where put off by the Wii U and don't like portables.

3. Fans of Japanese games that don't fall into the above two. Especially Vita fans once that system is officially done for.
 
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bananafactory said:
So I'm just catching up on all this, let me see if I have it straight.

NX is basically a handheld 3DS successor. But it has a dock and TV out option.

Does the power level mean third party support is pretty much dead, outside of games designed specifically for it?
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I'd say look at 3DS third party support, then add mobile and emphasize indies. That's the kind of thing to expect, rather than the kind you'd see on a console.

Anything is possible though. We'll have to see how Nintendo's sales pitch goes and how the NX performs.
 
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Interesting PCWorld article on a next-gen "tegra next" being announced soon by nvidia, may or may not be the tegra parker they've already talked about.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097641/hardware/nvidias-next-generation-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html

Will be announced at the Hot Chips show in Cupertino august 21-23.

Timing and that they are actively cooling and ocing an x1 makes a ton of sense for this to be the chip in the NX.

Repost for new page, sorry if this has already been covered in the thread.
 
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If all this checks out, I'm totally going to bring this to the office to play with some coworkers.

This is kind of smart, because you can share the experience with others so simply, it's easier to "sell" to others versus literally handing someone my 3DS and trying to guide them through a Mario Kart race or 3D Land level.
 
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Really hope it has a good size quality screen, it's probably not going to be over 720p and I'm ok with that but it better be better than the Wii U screen, Wii U screen was decent but they could have done better.
 
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notaskwid said:
Surely when you put your internals in a box that sits under a tv in a bigger form factor, with no screen, battery, etc, you can make something much more powerful for much cheaper. Not really the case with the NX as it seems.
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You never seen tablets under $250 yet? You don't know that Nvidia Shield products have been around $200, including the ones with screen and battery? Are you a time traveller that think Surface Pro 4 is the only tablet device on Earth?
 
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ZOONAMI said:
Interesting PCWorld article on a next-gen "tegra next" being announced soon by nvidia, may or may not be the tegra parker they've already talked about.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097641/hardware/nvidias-next-generation-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html

Will be announced at the Hot Chips show in Cupertino august 21-23.

Timing and that they are actively cooling and ocing an x1 makes a ton of sense for this to be the chip in the NX.

Repost for new page, sorry if this has already been covered in the thread.
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Yeah, I don't see Nintendo using a regular X1. The chipset is old, and more importantly, it's a power hog, which for a handheld is terrible. The X2 or its equivalent would be more powerful and less power hungry.
 
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Plinko

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Asd202 said:
Eh by Holidays 2017 Xbone will be $200 and PS4 $250 tops with all those Neo and Scorpio.
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You basically just validated my opinion. They HAVE to price it cheaply.

Gator86 said:
I can't imagine it being this cheap with Nintendo feeling entitled to profit on hardware sales almost regardless of context. I'd consider jumping in for a hybrid with access to all Nintendo games for 200.
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That's what the rumor was a year ago, and that's what MCV is saying. I think it's happening.
 
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ZOONAMI said:
Interesting PCWorld article on a next-gen "tegra next" being announced soon by nvidia, may or may not be the tegra parker they've already talked about.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097641/hardware/nvidias-next-generation-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html

Will be announced at the Hot Chips show in Cupertino august 21-23

Timing and that they are actively cooling and ocing an x1 makes a ton of sense for this to be the chip in the NX.

Repost for new page, sorry if this has already been covered in the thread.
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Tegra Next - Nintendo NX hmmmm....
 
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I thought of one thing. From the first major Wii U (then called Café) leak from French site 01net.com to Nintendo issuing a press release, it took three days (counting the day of the press release). April 22, 2011, was a Friday, April 25 that year was a Monday.

If we apply this formula to the news at hand, Nintendo will issue a press release/statement regarding NX on Friday, July 29, 2016.
 
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So, it's pretty clear in the Eurogamer report that what Tegra chip they're using is not specified. Which would give me hope if we didn't hear how cheap it supposedly it's going to cost. I don't know if they're doing any favors for themselves by waiting until September now that we have this leak.
 
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Griss said:
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Smash Bros F2P would be perfect. You can play a round every hour or so, and pay to unlock the timer etc. Real typical, horrible F2P shit. (Let's not pretend Nintendo doesn't do this now - hello Pokemon Shuffle, Badge Arcade etc.) Meanwhile the rest of us just buy the full game as normal, and the F2P version is designed to make it clear that if you like the game that's your best bet.
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Most Mario games could be parceled out this way as well, Mario Kart with 1-2 racers/karts and 1 cup, pay more to unlock more characters/cups. It goes against the full price for a full game philosophy they have maintained for so long, but with the shift on their mobile stance, it will be interesting to see how much of that pricing model makes its way to the NX
 
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KAL2006

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If Nintendo manage to have Xbox One level power in docked mode with the dock having extra power. I'd buy that for $350 easily and get all my multiplatform games on NX. Imagine if I can play all these hot multiplatform games on the Go.

I really wish Nintendo went all out and had a $350 docked bundle. And they can sell the non docked version for $200 for the mass market. Dock can also be sold seperate at $170. That's only if the dock doubles the power to support Xbox One level games. If not then the bundled version should be $250 at most.
 
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