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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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vasametropolis
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This would be great. I'm assuming they're scared of losing the physical market, though. Mainly, I'm just suggesting that the thing will probably have practically zero internal storage
darkness_s
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If they're actually recommending 32GB cartridges, even a 128GB microSD will fill up pretty fast.
Rogue Agent
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Regarding digital games on the 3DS, I assume they'll be playable on this new NX? I really hope so. I know there's no BC but it would be nice if these could be redownloaded or there's some kind of alternative.
boneyjangles
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I think it's easy to underestimate what a full force focused Nintendo is capable of. Not split between platforms, not experimenting too much with crazy control schemes. Innovation in that they are just supplementing a good basic fully featured mobile gaming platform.
If they re-release their back catalog on this straight away that's at least a dozen AAA titles. And that's not even considering a new Monster Hunter/Mario/Zelda/Pokemon.
If they engender friendship with big mobile developers, and indy developers, they won't need the big third parties (third parties will come).
There is a lot of ways for them to fuck it up, but this is the most promising idea I've seen from Nintendo in a long time.
.... :I
Are you living in 2008?
The only reason Nintendo would choose OLED over LCD would be cost. And luckily, apparently OLED is the cheaper one as of now, so choosing OLED would not be totally impossible. Depends on the timing, really.
Sir_Crocodile
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I'd rather have a quantum dot display.
IGN has an article saying that it is TV out only with no extra processing power. They incorrectly attribute this information to the EG article, as EG does not mention this. TV out only also contradicts one of Nintendo's patent filings. So no one really knows at this point
To me this makes me feel like they'll need to have some kind of storage solution built into the dock station. Maybe not bundled with standard SKU, but a compartment for people to add in an HDD or higher capacity microSD card to store games they aren't playing or only plan to play at home.
Kingpin Rogers
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That sounds pretty fantastic. Where's that from?
Okami Haundo
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I think I got myself jumbled up there, I didn't mean to say that I think the processing power will come from the third party device. My idea would be that the "controller" contains the processing power in some form and the screen is just a screen. A third party device could then be used in combination with an "NX" app that allows it to display content from your controller.
This would allow Nintendo to offer a basic model that lets you use a smart device as your handheld screen, possibly with less storage or some other differentiation to make it cheaper. The "Pro" model could include more storage as well as the screen required for the handheld mode.
I'd honestly be okay with them going the external HDD route again, I'd much rather that than the price being bumped up due to high amounts of memory in the dock. A basic amount to start off though, say 250gb of space to keep the asking price down, would be good for consumers.
lwilliams3
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Can someone clarify this for me: a lot of posters are saying that X1 in the NX dev kit is overclocked. Is this is simply an assumption based on the single source from eurogamer that stated that there is active cooling in the unit, or is it a separate source(s)?
At least it would be way less clumsy than two controllers snapping on to the display.
The defamation is a hold over from the vita v 3ds wars. Truth doesn't factor into the equation.
Not what I would envision, but we agree on the concept.
If they go this route, I think its "side panel"controllers that detach from the screen. Wiimote-like in shape and size.
TIL my SGS6 has a low quality Oled screen.
I'm fluid
... it will get a shit load of Japanese exclusives just for the fact it's partly a portable. All those 3rd party 3ds games will still come.
This is where I'm at as well. I'm not believing it until I see an official reveal. Even if this is true this could still just be the handheld.
Eurogamer speculated in the Digital Foundry article that it could be X2.
ArchedThunder
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The dev kits are using the X1, but one source said that they were being actively cooled, meaning there is a fan on it that makes an audible noise. This could mean the chip is a place holder and they've clocked it to what they expect out of the X2.
It happens.
Like for OLED on phones and the Vita a manufacturing process would have black splotches show up in certain conditions.
It was there on some devices, not on some. Some it would be bad, some minor.
Like some manufacturing processes would have light bleed on LCD screens on some phones.
I compare it to cpu's, gpu's and the OC lottery.
In the Digital Foundary article accompanying the Eurogamer article they mentioned that a source had told them that the chip in the dev. Kit was activly cooled with an audioble fan noise. Since running a fan in a handheld is a big no no DF speculate that the X1 chip in the Dev Kit is an placeholder for the X2 chip Nvidia is on schedule to talk about next month at the Hot Chips conference.
DF specializes in gfx comparisons, not chip design and business strat analysis. If it is an x2, it will be be at Nvidia's behest. Using nx delay and 'fans in kits' as evidence is silly.
A source said the DevKit run on a loudly cooled X1, which made people think that's it's OC and a standalone for a new chipset which wouldn't need to be actively cooled/overclocked.
Tegra X2 is gonna be on 16 nm node, which mean much less power consumption and better performance for lower costs, especially in the long run as the 20nm process get abandoned.
Also, the fact that the NX was postponed from december to march are also things that make people think that maybe the console was postponed to get in full production of the new process , the new Tegra will be unveiled at end August by Nvidia and will probably enter production shortly after.
Most likely, it-s not gonna be a straight X2 but something custom, but still on 16 nm for the decreased cost, increased performance and decreased consumption. I expect something slightly better than the Tegra X1 as a custom chip.
Yeah I went and read the Digital Foundry article that I'd missed before. It makes some sense! I hope it's true. I'm excited either way, personally, but hey better is better!
September come faster please.
DrROBschiz
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Its got to be X2 right?
Enters production and gets announced JUST before Nintendo makes their announcement in September?
And the March 2017 launch is more than enough time for manufacturing
I dunno... really hard to say anything right now even WITH the Eurogamer article
Im so tired guys... NX is draining me... Nintendo please
Enters production and gets announced JUST before Nintendo makes their announcement in September?
And the March 2017 launch is more than enough time for manufacturing
I dunno... really hard to say anything right now even WITH the Eurogamer article
Im so tired guys... NX is draining me... Nintendo please
GiantBreadbug
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Doesn't the dock that connects to the tv scream "supplemental computing device?"
So why wouldn't that be able to provide more juice and allow NX games much more power on the tv?
Or am I misunderstanding some of this stuff?
So why wouldn't that be able to provide more juice and allow NX games much more power on the tv?
Or am I misunderstanding some of this stuff?
Okami Haundo
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That has been my thought exactly. Maybe we're both missing something here.
Most of Eurogamer article are assumptions.
The Tegra X1 already needs active cooling in Nvidia Shield and the RE5 and MGR ports are trash compared to what WiiU does. There are DF videos for it.
People in this thread is most of the time misinformed, taking as informed believing some rumours that Eurogamer compiled to spice up Summer.
Good summary.
It's actually a very plausible scenario, and if it were any other company I'd happily say it was likely what was happening. But, ya know, Nintendo gotta be doomed etc
James Scott
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Yeah, I meant lowered energy consumption for battery life and better performance. Not sure how I messed that up, lol
True, but I think it's being combined with previous rumors regarding the NX being able to easily handle ports from current gen. A normal X1 Tegra doesn't really seem like something that would pull that off. We also have it being said by people like Emily that it is on par with the Xbox 1.
More accurately, she said it was "closer" to XBox 1 than PS4. But that could mean anything. (PS3 is closer to X1 than PS4
)James Scott
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It's different hardware. Wouldn't matter if it's downloadable or not, it would require porting.I hope they make WiiU Games downloadable, can't be bothered to buy a WiiU again for Tokyo Mirage Sessions
That said, they should totally port many Wii U games especially TMS
Crankshaft
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I'm sure I'm in the minority but I am kind of happy with Nintendo returning to a single screen handheld. (or portable whatever)
The DS\3DS were good, but I have never cared much for the second screen.
The DS\3DS were good, but I have never cared much for the second screen.
Since there is no second screen, BC is hard for both WiiU and 3DS.
The active cooling on the dev kit could simply be down to non-final internal design, and in light of that, just wanting to decrease the chance of that non-final design causing stressed out and pushed-to-the-limit dev kits to fail and require replacing.
Early dev hardware in particular can often have a very different profile to consumer units, being built to avoid failures.
It might indeed indicate a different target process for the final unit, but it's not a given.
Early dev hardware in particular can often have a very different profile to consumer units, being built to avoid failures.
It might indeed indicate a different target process for the final unit, but it's not a given.
James Scott
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Would be nice for the performance boost and lowered battery consumption with is pretty important on a portable. Would be weird to use cutting edge chips (hat haven't been officially revealed yet) but it would provably be worth it in the long run. How much more expensive do we imagine it would be, though?
ActStriker
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Is that really a problem for 3DS though? Given how the system is rumored to work, couldn't you just detach the controllers and go vertical?
Wii U yes, but 3DS is low res enough that both of its screens could easily fit into one, like DS on Wii U. Not that I really think they'll go that option.
ultrazilla
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Just my mock up and opinion based on previous rumors and patent talk.
I can't see how the system can be considered portable without the controllers having
a built in screen/free form display.
Unless they just plan on using detachable controllers to put on your phones.
ArchedThunder
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Nintendo wouldn't launch a handheld with active cooling. If they were using an X1 they'd downclock it to lower the heat. RE5 and MGRR's ports aren't indicative of the hardware when there are other ports that are better than the PS360 versions. Those two ports just aren't good ports.
Well the timing would at least match with the "delay" to NX release, seeing as the new Tegra is due out in Sept-ish
On price? Depends. Maybe Nintendo got X2 at a good price in exchange for taking all them X1's off nVidia's hands to use in the SCD's
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