Jonneh3003
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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I don't think it's even rumoured/confirmed as a touchscreen at this point.
I posted in another thread hoping for B/C with Wii U of some kind so I can finally play 3D World...lol. But since I barely got any games for my Wii U (Lego City Undercover and Epic Mickey) I'll take ports.
And thats why they want OLED. It is a difference when its just for gaming. I would even say watching movies too.
Some want more accurate colors of LCD, some want colors to pop and have the blacks, contrast pros of OLED. I seriously doubt Nintendo is going to go for really current LCD tech thats more closer to the pros of OLED.
Its one reason I wanted to get the orig Vita to replace one I broke. But the microUSB charging and better battery life on the revisions with LCD means more to me now.
HandsomeCharles
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Rösti;211573038 said:
Interesting, unless it's all false. In which case they probably won't bother saying anything.
I'm Team Mystery Detachable Controllers, there's something more to it.
Movalpolos
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Well that's a lot worse than I thought.
I can see why they need Zelda as a launch title. No one would buy this outside of enthusiasts.
I can see why they need Zelda as a launch title. No one would buy this outside of enthusiasts.
The NX is unlikely to get a lot of western AAA 3rd party support. Which is probably okay as long as they can get indies and Japanese devs onboard.
I do feel one exception Nintendo needs to make, though, is sports games. Sports games are a huge market and they need to at least make a play for it.
I do feel one exception Nintendo needs to make, though, is sports games. Sports games are a huge market and they need to at least make a play for it.
See my edit, and no, I don't think it is, it was just an example. I'm also not sure how a Shield K1 performs even when compared to a WiiU.
I'm not saying that the power is insufficient or something like that, I'm just saying that I don't think that based on what we know there will have to be a compromise between power and price and that Nintendo should (I really hope they will) lean more to the price side.
Movalpolos
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You can pair the controller with your smart device probably.
It's a Tegra X1. There's a video about it done by DF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cTt_nxTWo
And you're awfully misinformed for how much you comment on it. I don't know, maybe is better to first read more?
Edit: like this for example:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nintendo-nx-the-pros-and-cons-of-a-transforming-portable/0170297
There is zero chance that Nintendo goes with OLED.
So what if.
NX is a family of devices.
This is a handheld you can hook up to the TV, featuring Tegra X1. (720p)
Later on they release a console with just the controller's and the dock, featuring Tegra X2 (900p). Nintendo's SCD patent means they can operate under virtual SLI (1080p).
So you get a mobile user version, a console user version and a power user version.
I consider this incredibly
likely.
NX is a family of devices.
This is a handheld you can hook up to the TV, featuring Tegra X1. (720p)
Later on they release a console with just the controller's and the dock, featuring Tegra X2 (900p). Nintendo's SCD patent means they can operate under virtual SLI (1080p).
So you get a mobile user version, a console user version and a power user version.
I consider this incredibly
un
oled screens are not ideal for a medium that has a lot of static images on the screen like a HUD or a navigation bar in an internet browser or app or whatever. hopefully Nintendo does not go this route, their hardware is typically built to last and an oled screen would hinder that.
So those who would like to play only on home would have to pay $350 for a console that is barely as powerful as Xbone from 2013? Nintendo could easily make more powerful console that would cost $199.
Even me who loves gaming and likes Nintendo wouldn't accept that.
If I'm forced to buy a handheld to play at home then at least make it cheap Nintendo.
That's what Ouya wanted to do : first Ouya with Tegra 3, next Ouya next year with Tegra 4. And... OU-YA is dead.
I can tell you one thing. This dock is no kickstand. If we needed to go off Tegra's shield mobiles as an indication, they plugged into the TV with mini HDMI with no dock and played with amazing console like graphics. With a dock, I'm imagining the so called code named " fusion" effect to take place.
I agree. But someone did ask....are they finally getting rid of resistive? Would be nice. I think they are if the NX will play mobile games.
vasametropolis
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If this is what the device is, then I think Nintendo has picked the best possible style of hardware to reflect what they're all about.
As a long time Nintendo fan though, I can't ignore the issues this thing will likely still have:
1. The mobile world is already saturated with hardware, and so is the console world. I think they will have a hard time convincing third parties to develop for it (as always). Considering this, anyone buying it is still only getting a Nintendo game box that will probably collect dust between first party releases. It's possible with the combined console and mobile teams at Nintendo this won't be as bad this time.
2. The price. If this thing costs more than a 3DS, the general public (and myself) will not be interested when they already have an expensive smart phone. If they have a console, even less reason to get it.
Nintendo can't compete with an all purpose device on mobile, and they have no interest in competing with high-end, fixed gaming devices like console and PC.
So to me, it again looks like they are finding another way to not compete with either market. I just don't see this turning out well unless the thing kicks total ass and is extremely affordable. In other words, if they don't sell for a loss they may struggle. They're playing the supplemental device angle AGAIN, so it needs to be priced that way.
As awesome as this device sounds, it sounds like its addressable market is still the non-growth console + handheld market. They might sell more units by addressing both these markets with the same device, but they are still not growth markets (that we've seen in the past few years).
As a long time Nintendo fan though, I can't ignore the issues this thing will likely still have:
1. The mobile world is already saturated with hardware, and so is the console world. I think they will have a hard time convincing third parties to develop for it (as always). Considering this, anyone buying it is still only getting a Nintendo game box that will probably collect dust between first party releases. It's possible with the combined console and mobile teams at Nintendo this won't be as bad this time.
2. The price. If this thing costs more than a 3DS, the general public (and myself) will not be interested when they already have an expensive smart phone. If they have a console, even less reason to get it.
Nintendo can't compete with an all purpose device on mobile, and they have no interest in competing with high-end, fixed gaming devices like console and PC.
So to me, it again looks like they are finding another way to not compete with either market. I just don't see this turning out well unless the thing kicks total ass and is extremely affordable. In other words, if they don't sell for a loss they may struggle. They're playing the supplemental device angle AGAIN, so it needs to be priced that way.
As awesome as this device sounds, it sounds like its addressable market is still the non-growth console + handheld market. They might sell more units by addressing both these markets with the same device, but they are still not growth markets (that we've seen in the past few years).
DrROBschiz
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Thats not an accurate comparison at all but whatever
You mean for burn in? That really hasnt been an issue for high quality OLED screens, tech for a few years now.
If it was for the Vita is was a small issue and not wide spread. AFAIK.
Yeah. But doesn't mean it's the final chip. Eurogamer saying it's being actively cooled and ocd actually suggests it probably is a different chip, or a heavily customized x1.
Relaxed Muscle
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Explain 3DS hinges and lower screen scratches then. Lol
Nintendo usually released upgrades of thei handhelds and lately their first handheld iteration is crap, so I say: bring dat Oled screen.
Vital Tundra
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I hope so. Resistive makes it impossible to type with your fingers. Freakin pain in Monster Hunter.
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Deleted member 752119
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I'd be shocked if it wasn't capacity. As you note, it's needed for their mobile games to play well on it. And stylus gaming is largely dead. Even the 3DS and Wii U that have resistive screens and styli have few games that use the styli for gameplay. Thus were left using shitty resistive screens with our thumbs to select items in inventory etc.
boneyjangles
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It's very much weaker because PC games use raw CPU/GPU power, whereas something like an PS4/Xbox uses low level specifically designed APIs tied to one specific piece of hardware. Developers can just pipe part of their game to the 5th CPU core or GPU compute, Basically optimization vs abstraction.
Surface pro has an expensive power efficient laptop class CPU, not necessary/ideal for games, with built in reasonably poor GPU (what games mostly thrive on). A very high quality expensive display, a premium touch layer for pen pressure, Massive SSD storage, gobs of RAM.
NX will need a simpler cheap display, less ram, much much less CPU, much less built in storage, and a more specific powerful, and probably still cheap enough GPU.
It's an apples to oranges comparison, the surface pro is not even a remotely ideal gaming device, and most of it's high quality, expensive tech is not much to do with gaming.
That actually supports what I'm saying. Cheaper = less powerful. And I mixed K1 with X1 so my bad.
how expensive though?
and I mean, not trying to be sour or anything, but vita sales themselves were not widespread so that's not necessarily good evidence. plus not all vita models have the oled screen.
did I praise those issues or something?
James Scott
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The X2 would allow for better power consumption and performance right?
(I accidentally the whole thing)
vasametropolis
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It's weird how cartridges are basically their only option. Internal storage will be too expensive. They need to drive the cost down hard.
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Deleted member 752119
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Getting indies is easy as long as they make the development kits user friendly and don't gouge them in royalites. Indies depend on selling every copy possible, thus want their games everywhere.
Japanese devs should be easy as to get as well. The Vita is dead and there's not a huge market for a lot of Japanese-centric genres/styles on PS4/Xbox 1 in the west and console gaming is largely dead in the east. The NX is the logical place for those games to end up going forward unless it totally bombs.
As for sports games, it's probably not worth it for them to shell out for licensing rights to do sports sims or arcade sports titles with real players. Plus people are pretty locked into the EA and 2K series at this point. So maybe they can encourage ports of those games somehow.
Otherwise, they should definitely focus on getting good Mario Sports titles out. Make a Mario Strikers that can appeal to fans of Rocket League etc.
ultrazilla
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I should add once the second controller is attached, the player can hold it vertical to mimic a DS/3DS(touch screen
is bottom controller)
Relaxed Muscle
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No, but the idea that Nintendo design their hardware to last is kinda laughable looking at the quality build of their last handhelds.
DirtyLarry
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I am at work, so no time to go through 154 pages (wow), but I am assuming battery life has been discussed multiple times. That is my big question. What will the battery life be like.
But a handheld console with the (speculated) power of somewhere between the WiiU and XB1? Yeah, I am interested in that.
But a handheld console with the (speculated) power of somewhere between the WiiU and XB1? Yeah, I am interested in that.
Yes.
ArchedThunder
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Yeah, this seems all too convenient, Nvidia might be trying to position NX as the flagship device for their next Tegra chip. If the part about the X1 in the devkits being actively cooled is true (and remember guys, it might not be, they said they only had one source tell them this) then we're probably getting the next Tegra chip in the NX and the X1 is just place holder.
Assuming it is actively cooled I wonder if it's running at normal speed (Someone said at normal speed the X1 has to be cooled, right?) or if it's overclocked. Knowing that would give us a much better idea of what we're getting.
point taken but as far as failure rate and stuff like that aren't they the industry leader? and burn in on a video game screen seems like something Nintendo would take into consideration whereas the screen scratch thing was likely something that just slipped through the cracks.
That is key. I would assume, just basing it off smartphones, probably since 2010 on forward burn in hasnt been a major issue on higher quality phones.
Smartphones have used OLED alot since 2010 and burn in has gotten better since then.
Relaxed Muscle
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Is a mistery, the X1 is quite the powerhog but Nintendo is posibly using a custom.design which would prioritize power consumption.
If it's based on the X2 it would be certainly an improvement both in performance and power draw.
Yet is to be seen if Nintendo will go after this option seeing their looking for a very tight pricepoint.
TL;DR We don't know lol
runnin_blue
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Laughable? Really? My Game & Watches, NES, SNES, Gameboy, N64, Gamecube, Wii and Nintendo made Snoopy handheld from mid-eighties all still work perfectly and wholeheartedly disagree with you. Picking out a minor flaw from one generation of launch-era hardware that was subsequently fixed with later revisions is not even close to laughable.
If you think that is laughable, you must be in absolute hysterics when you think about all the Xbox360 RRoDs and upside down PS2s hey.
high quality phones = $$$$$
take the carrier subsidy out of the equation. Nintendo isn't going to release a $600 handheld.
Colonel Mustard
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"I want a worthless, expensive addition that degrades over time."
Movalpolos
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Just kill me now.
Well, for one it is extremely likely that the chip won't run close to its theoretical maximum frequency in portable mode.
Other than that, one thing people should expect to an even larger (much larger) extent than with any previous gaming handheld is content-dependent battery life. A fully optimized high-end game that uses everything the hardware offers might well run only 1/3rd as long as a simple indie game.
OLED is by far the best currently available screen technology for gaming. Calling it "worthless" is completely untrue.
Of course, from Nintendo's usual screen quality even a good LC display would be a massive improvement.
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