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If only most of these people knew how it felt to be denied basic human rights for fucking ever but we say they can't say one word and they go apeshit

To be fair, I doubt you know what its like to be denied basic human rights either. Not in any sense that's remotely comparable to what your grandparents or their grandparents went through.

But no one should say the N-Word unless they've got a good academic reason. Its been a derogatory word for 300 years now. No group saying it to amongst friends has changed or will change that.

 

[shattyboombatty]

I am not turning tail and running because i am being asked a question, i have answered every question that i have been asked so far have i not?, are you not able to read my replies?, and rappers and actors DO represent black people to the majority of the worldwide population weather you like it or not. And if some of them use the "N" word and popularize it you cannot blame the people who then start using it. And not even to refer black people, just among friends of the same color. Akin to saying "Dude" because that is what it comes across like. Just another way of saying "Dude" or "Vato".

And what is with your attitude?, name calling and being offensive?, you can't handle another persons opinion?. I am being civil and you are being anything but civil.

Come on dude, that is a massive generalization and you should be able to see that. The only thing rappers and actors represent are rappers and actors... Saying all black people fit whatever stereotypes you see in media is nonsense. I doubt "the majority of the worldwide population" assumes any given black person acts like a rapper or Denzel/Will Smith/Lawerence Fishburn/<insert any given black actor>

Think about it from this point of view, and just stop trying to make a case where people are supposed to be ok with other people saying it.

White people want to say nigga freely but not carry the burden that comes with being black in Astamerica. They want to appropriate and copy black culture and slang but no stand with us when we need it. The same people claiming that saying nigga is a double standard are the same people thAt tell us not to protest and to accept what we have been given.

 

[Deleted member 77995]

What is Astamerica? Google not showing anything

 

[LionPride]

Come on dude, that is a massive generalization and you should be able to see that. The only thing rappers and actors represent are rappers and actors... Saying all black people fit whatever stereotypes you see in media is nonsense.

Think about it from this point of view, and just stop trying to make a case where people are supposed to be ok with other people saying it.

You can try and explain it to people, but they will still attempt to conjure up something to fit their narrative. The mental hoops people will go through

 

[IrishNinja]

You come at me implying that I'm a racist (by insinuating that I think of black people as *******) and then you say I'm not an ally without any reason given, and then when I ask you to give me something to help me be a better ally or just to be one at all, you call me ignorant and roll out. That about sums it up, right?

Sorry, who am I wronging by singing in the shower?

honestly, if you're not gonna let ANYONE tell you what words you can use, and there's no such thing as "bad" words anyway/you're not gonna censor yourself unless you think someone might take offense, what's the point of this exchange at all?

you've literally no intention of being an ally to shit, this is what you're on about:

White people want to say nigga freely but not carry the burden that comes with being black in America. They want to appropriate and copy black culture and slang but no stand with us when we need it. The same people claiming that saying nigga is a double standard are the same people thAt tell us not to protest and to accept what we have been given.

 

[lightskintwin]

White people want to say nigga freely but not carry the burden that comes with being black in Astamerica. They want to appropriate and copy black culture and slang but no stand with us when we need it. The same people claiming that saying nigga is a double standard are the same people thAt tell us not to protest and to accept what we have been given.

The thing with this quote is it can also be used with cultural appropriation of African Americans in general.

 

[HiredN00bs]

If you can't understand why you shouldn't say nigga, even with this entire thread breaking down why, then you're no ally of ours. We're good, thanks.

I get the feeling this is more of a GAF problem them anything. I don't use the word offensively, in the rare instances where I might happen to.

But I understand why things get heated about this and why people are jumping down my throat. I talk about these things in an emotionally detached and purely intellectual way like only a white person could, but that's my perspective. I really do care about social justice and empathy and respect and cultural perspective.

I'm aways willing to listen and learn more. Thanks.

 

[Enzom21]

I get the feeling this is more of a GAF problem them anything. I don't use the word offensively, in the rare instances where I might happen to.

But I understand why things get heated about this and why people are jumping down my throat. I talk about these things in an emotionally detached and purely intellectual way like only a white person could, but that's my perspective. I really do care about social justice and empathy and respect and cultural perspective.

I'm aways willing to listen and learn more. Thanks.

Every last one of your posts in this thread says otherwise.
We don't need you as an ally.

 

[Just_myles]

hahah @OP. That was good. Thanks.

 

[lightskintwin]

I get the feeling this is more of a GAF problem them anything. I don't use the word offensively, in the rare instances where I might happen to.

But I understand why things get heated about this and why people are jumping down my throat. I talk about these things in an emotionally detached and purely intellectual way like only a white person could, but that's my perspective. I really do care about social justice and empathy and respect and cultural perspective.

I'm aways willing to listen and learn more. Thanks.

WOW @ the bolded. I think you worded that wrong, or at least I don't think the way it came out is what you were trying to say. LOL

 

[HiredN00bs]

Every last one of your posts in this thread says otherwise.
We don't need you as an ally.

Never said you did, only that I was. And to be honest, we could all use more allies with the way things are right now. I don't know why you are so set against it.

 

[M0nochromatic]

Why would you want to use it at all, if you'r aware of it's history? The weight behind it is too much. Inherently bigoted speech isn't really fun to repeat.

Even if you'r by yourself, singing lyrics, it becomes a "if a tree falls in a forest" scenario. Just dont.

 

[IrishNinja]

I get the feeling this is more of a GAF problem them anything. I don't use the word offensively, in the rare instances where I might happen to..

literally the entire point of this thread is that you (and i) lack the ability to use said word inoffensively, for reasons which, should they not be obvious, there's a fantastic OP all about.

your next paragraph is you being aware of your privilege, and a bit about empathy/social justice, but that you're basically gonna do it anyway. if you're really on about respect here, you should see why your words ring hollow.

 

[MMaRsu]

Did you read the OP, is that not what he tried to do? Yet there are still people here wanting to use it.



So you heard music from the US but didn't watch any movies where it was used as a slur?

yes? Not untill I was older

 

[Enzom21]

Never said you did, only that I was. And to be honest, we could all use more allies with the way things are right now. I don't know why you are so set against it.

We? There is no we here. You are a white dude who says nigga, you are not an ally.

Why would you want to use it at all, if you'r aware of it's history? The weight behind it is too much. Inherently bigoted speech isn't really fun to repeat.

Even if you'r by yourself, singing lyrics, it becomes a "if a tree falls in a forest" scenario. Just dont.

Apparently some white people don't like when black people have issue with them saying nigger.

 

[see5harp]

I don't think most people here ever uses or wants to use the word in front of a black person they dont know. That is like arguing for the dumbest shit ever if that is what you want. I know more black families that don't tolerate the use of that word at all (from anyone) than black people that openly use the word nigga.

It's really an age thing ignoring rap concerts and larger festivals. If you seriously think that people cannot separate a concert and real life man have a little faith. Kids on Xbox live and high school-they aren't even a part of "society" at this point. Give them a few years in college or the workplace and they'll learn real quick what is acceptable.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Why would you want to use it at all, if you'r aware of it's history? The weight behind it is too much. Inherently bigoted speech isn't really fun to repeat.

Even if you'r by yourself, singing lyrics, it becomes a "if a tree falls in a forest" scenario. Just dont.

Well, I learned one thing from this thread. People take offense to the idea that a white person might say it to themselves in the shower to the point where they consider you an enemy. I mean, I really didn't think it would have, honestly.

 

[LionPride]

I get the feeling this is more of a GAF problem them anything. I don't use the word offensively, in the rare instances where I might happen to.

But I understand why things get heated about this and why people are jumping down my throat. I talk about these things in an emotionally detached and purely intellectual way like only a white person could, but that's my perspective. I really do care about social justice and empathy and respect and cultural perspective.

I'm aways willing to listen and learn more. Thanks.

Quick pro-tip, anyone who says they are an ally to PoC but react poorly when people say don't say nigga, ain't ally also

I talk about these things in an emotionally detached and purely intellectual way like only a white person could, but that's my perspective.

The fuck

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Cant wrap my mind around how white people want to use this word so desperatly or werent aware that its a slur. Smh.

 

[Enzom21]

I don't think most people here ever uses or wants to use the word in front of a black person they dont know. That is like arguing for the dumbest shit ever if that is what you want. I know more black families that don't tolerate the use of that word at all than black people that openly use the word nigga.

It's really an age thing ignoring rap concerts and larger festivals. If you seriously think that people cannot separate a concert and real life man have a little faith. Kids on Xbox live and high school-they aren't even a part of "society" at this point. Give them a few years in college or the workplace and they'll learn real quick what is acceptable.

If you can't say nigger in front random black people then maybe you shouldn't say it at all.

 

[IrishNinja]

Never said you did, only that I was. And to be honest, we could all use more allies with the way things are right now. I don't know why you are so set against it.

probably because historically speaking, allies such as yourself haven't helped much

Kids on Xbox live and high school-they aren't even a part of "society" at this point. Give them a few years in college or the workplace and they'll learn real quick what is acceptable.

within their white circles, on about making america great again

Well, I learned one thing from this thread. People take offense to the idea that a white person might say it to themselves in the shower to the point where they consider you an enemy. I mean, I really didn't think it would have, honestly.

fantastic takeaway, great exchange here

 

[lightskintwin]

Well, I learned one thing from this thread. People take offense to the idea that a white person might say it to themselves in the shower to the point where they consider you an enemy. I mean, I really didn't think it would have, honestly.

C'mon now, let's keep it real. The vast majority of people don't give a fuck what people say alone in the privacy of your home.

 

[LionPride]

Well, I learned one thing from this thread. People take offense to the idea that a white person might say it to themselves in the shower to the point where they consider you an enemy. I mean, I really didn't think it would have, honestly.

That's probably all you learned, ain't it?

 

[IrishNinja]

That's probably all you learned, ain't it?

dude literally swaggered in like Y'ALL CANT TELL ME NOTHIN but i'm your ally and you guys need that don't you wait come back

 

[Teriyaki Blues]

Addendum: Call a spade a spade and call a Brazil nut a Brazil nut, thanks.

Great OP.

 

[HiredN00bs]

That's probably all you learned, ain't it?

Hey, I give a fuck. Seriously.

 

[Nepenthe]

Well, I learned one thing from this thread. People take offense to the idea that a white person might say it to themselves in the shower to the point where they consider you an enemy. I mean, I really didn't think it would have, honestly.

It's not just the fact that you'll sing it in the shower. It's what it suggests about your attitude. You've made it clear that you care less about the sensibilities of black people then you do "being told what to do." If you're not going to listen to us because you feel so offended at your freedom as a white man to sing "nigga" in the shower being infringed upon by the call for respect, tact, and empathy, then there's not a thing any black person can do for you. You are a lost cause at this point.

So you can either swallow your white pride and listen to black people, or you can drop the pretense of being an ally and go on about your business. Those are really your only options at this crossroad. You're not going to continually assert yourself in this conversation and step over black people while also trying to get on our good side by emptily insisting camaraderie. Nope.

 

[Enzom21]

Hey, I give a fuck. Seriously.

No, you care about being told not to do something and your right to sing nigger in the shower.

 

[Fjordson]

lmao why would you say it to yourself in the shower. Or even feel the urge ever.

Can confidently state that avoiding saying the n-word has always been pretty damn easy for me...c'mon people.

 

[aeolist]

Hey, I give a fuck. Seriously.

then listen to what black people are telling you about their issues and respect that

 

[see5harp]

within their white circles, on about making america great

I mean honestly I never even hear them say nigga. Easier to just use "thug" for negative connotAtion. Most educated people are smart enough to stray away from blatant use of nigger.

 

[HiredN00bs]

It's not just the fact that you'll sing it in the shower. It's what it suggests about your attitude. You've made it clear that you care less about the sensibilities of black people then you do "being told what to do." If you're not going to listen to us because you feel so offended at your freedom as a white man to sing "nigga" in the shower is being infringed upon by the call for respect, tact, and empathy, then there's not a thing any black person can do for you. You are a lost cause at this point.

So you can either swallow your white pride and listen to black people, or you can drop the pretense of being an ally and go on about your business. Those are really your only options at this crossroad. You're not going to continually assert yourself in this conversation and step over black people while also trying to get on our good side. Nope.

I might care more about speech than race. Like I said, I'm a white guy and we do shit like that. Trying to learn, be more empathetic. Sorry y'all.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

I'm not going to let ANYONE tell me what words I can't use, and neither should you. There's no such thing as a "bad" word. Language isn't that simple. I agree that people should avoid using this word. I think if they do use it, they should be aware of its cultural weight and their audience. If I want to sing it to myself in the shower because it's a song lyric, that's my business. If it comes up in conversation as a matter of fact, I'm not going to censor it unless someone that can hear it is likely to take offense. What matters is context, and saying there's no context where anyone can use it is silly and is counterproductive. Also, I would like to consider myself an ally to people of color, and I think people are largely ignorant about the word, but this approach strikes me as ineffective which is why I've voiced that concern. I'm speaking as someone that needed to learn this in the past, so I'd like to help others do so as well.

Great minds think alike

 

[LionPride]

I might care more about speech than race. Like I said, I'm a white guy and we do shit like that. Trying to learn, be more empathetic. Sorry y'all.

That's a bit fucked up

 

[lightskintwin]

I guess I must be old school, because I think it's waste of time and effort worrying about or trying to police what somebody says alone especially in the context of singing a song that actually uses the word.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Great minds think alike

Fuuuuuck noooooooooo

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Alright. As a white man I have to ask. Does D.O.N.T. apply to posting memes?

This is really funny. I'm a white guy. But I'm also not the one who made it?

 

[Enzom21]

I might care more about speech than race. Like I said, I'm a white guy and we do shit like that. Trying to learn, be more empathetic. Sorry y'all.

Nah, stay in your bubble of whiteness and keep telling black people things like "it's fucking stupid and counterproductive." when we tell non-black people that they maybe shouldn't use a racial slur. Some fucking ally.

 

[IrishNinja]

I might care more about speech than race. Like I said, I'm a white guy and we do shit like that.

nahhh, not all of us - just the fuckboys*

*you can sing this word in the shower with no guilt! try peppering it in between the dulcet tones of your N*GGER lullaby next time, man

 

[HiredN00bs]

Nah, stay in your bubble of whiteness and keep telling black people things like "it's fucking stupid and counterproductive." when we tell non-black people that they maybe shouldn't you a racial slur. Some fucking ally.

Ain't what I wrote or meant, but you've clearly made up your mind.

 

[Nepenthe]

I might care more about speech than race.

There is no "might."

Like I said, I'm a white guy and we do shit like that. Trying to learn, be more empathetic. Sorry y'all.

Stop trying to butter us up. You are not trying to learn because you have rebuked the education in this thread at every step of the way. And when people get frustrated and throw their hands up, you insist you're an ally as if they're supposed to accept that.

Here's some education divorced from your precious speech: don't slap a person in the face while telling them you respect them. And don't act surprised when they slap you back in response.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

Alright. As a white man I have to ask. Does D.O.N.T. apply to posting memes?

This is really funny. I'm a white guy. But I'm also not the one who made it?

You dont need to use a word to make a quick joke on the internet. Would you use fag, pussy or homo to warrant a quick laugh? If not, then D.O.N.T use nigga.

 

[lightskintwin]

Fuuuuuck noooooooooo

Did you mean to say only white people can talk in an emotionally detached and purely intellectual way, or am I giving you too much benefit of the doubt in assuming you worded that wrong?

 

[Enzom21]

Ain't what I wrote or meant, but you've clearly made up your mind.

You know it's more complicated than that. For one, someone using the word doesn't think it's racist. So first you help them understand why it is. Once you do this, they're not going to say it anymore. Giving edicts like "don't say this particular word ever" is fucking stupid and counterproductive.

That's exactly what you wrote, Mr ally.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

Fuuuuuck noooooooooo

Trump doesn't let anyone tell him what to say, and isn't afraid of nothing. Judging from your posts, you two have more in common than you think.

 

[ViciousDS]

I might care more about speech than race. Like I said, I'm a white guy and we do shit like that. Trying to learn, be more empathetic. Sorry y'all.

From one white guy to another white guy, you are not one what I want to be associated with if that's what you think.

 

[HiredN00bs]

There is no "might."



Stop trying to butter us up. You are not trying to learn because you have rebuked the education in this thread at every step of the way. And when people get frustrated and throw their hands up, you insist you're an ally as if they're supposed to accept that.

Here's some education divorced from your precious speech: don't slap a person in the face while telling them you respect them. And don't act surprised when they slap you back in response.

I rebuked the curriculum, not the knowledge.

 

[HiredN00bs]

That's exactly what you wrote, Mr ally.

Yeah, in the context of agreeing with what he's trying to teach, just not how he's trying to teach it. You don't teach a kid to ride a bike by shouting at them to just ride it.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

Yeah, in the context of agreeing with what he's trying to teach, just not how he's trying to teach it. You don't teach a kid to ride a bike by shouting at them to just ride it.

Telling someone its not ok saying nigger is like teaching a kid to ride a bike.
Stay free my boy.
Stay free.

 

[M0nochromatic]

Well, I learned one thing from this thread. People take offense to the idea that a white person might say it to themselves in the shower to the point where they consider you an enemy. I mean, I really didn't think it would have, honestly.

I've been guilty of it at times. I've slipped while listening to music in the car. One non harmful action, such as saying the n word by yourself where no one can hear it, does not make you an enemy of progress or a white supremacist.

It is still a loaded term, however. It's not something that can be said without some shame. The tragedies and horrors that stem from it are too fresh in history and are still being felt in some cases, to use it so flippantly.

But that's just me and my own version of white guilt, or whatever. If you don't offend or harm anyone doing whatever you do by yourself or with your friends, then I'm not condemning you.

It's a complicated problem that becomes even more entangled depending on context, that's why some people cut through the Gordian Knot with "just don't". It dosen't account for all the variables, but it solves the problem.