I can't tell if this is a serious post or not.
The Xbox brand is not going to stop being successful (or stop existing period) just because Sony is ahead.
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The Xbox brand is not going to stop being successful (or stop existing period) just because Sony is ahead.
farmerboy
Member
Norse
Member
I still don't see why you would need to talk about ww when discussing who won this month's npd. Unless that's all you have.
Sounds about right.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why do we have pages of discussion about Scorpio in this thread? The topic goes where it goes. There used to be more to discuss when we would get detailed software and hardware numbers the day the NPD released. There isn't much to talk about strictly NPD related now.
wapplew
Member
Because people jump into conclusion with regional numbers too much.
We had PS4(family) sales globally a few days ago, the full picture. And yet people voice concern for PS4 because the "gap" is too narrow in NPD.
We got PS4 is a beast few days ago, console is doom another day. Either sale GAF suffer from short term memory lost or people try to spin regional number to fit certain narrative no matter what.
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
5 to 7 years ? Lmao
Who's gonna give a shit by then ?
Let me be more clear
There's zero chance xbone + Scorpio hit 50 million by the end of this generation which is the only matrix anyone will give a shit about.
Norse
Member
I think they are drawing conclusions based on their location. NPD is for US sales. If console A is dominating in NPD, why should I care what it's doing in another country? I will still get all the big games on console A as NPD is the largest gaming market now unless I'm mistaken.
It seems like it's just a tool to use by people that need to say "oh yeah! My console of choice dominates the rest of the world."
As someone that lives in the US, NPD and I could give a rat's ass. NPD is all that's relevant here.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Oh well this is an international community. We will continue to talk ALL numbers. Feel free to ignore any comments you deem irrelevant.
wapplew
Member
Why should we care?
When someone look at Japan chart and say 4K bluray have zero influences; while in UK chart when Xbox one S win the month people say leave 4K Bluray out is a mistake.
When we have info about how Pro, Slim PSVR, help PS4 achieve 50m install base, in this thread some say it doesn't bode well because the gap is too small?
How about some global numbers to put things in context?
Wouldn't call the Xbox one a success by any margin.
I'm talking about games being developed after 2018
If there was no Xbox Scorpio & PS4/PS4 Pro had close to 80 million install base & a option to push the game further on PS4 Pro while Xbox One games were left with a install base of about 35 million & a lot of the hard core gamers moving away from their Xbox One because of the benefit of having a more powerful PS4 to play the 3rd party games on it would cause a domino effect.
Even with Scorpio MS is looking to UWP becoming a big enough platform so that it can secure Xbox One & Scorpio 3rd party support in the future.
I would. The Xbox One has been doing very well, no matter what your favorite Sony fanboys might say.
Right...
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Um. No shit Sherlock. Does the iPhone 4 still play the newest iOS games?
The follow up to the Scorpio will be at least 7-8 years from Xbox One launch. That's PLENTY of time to ditch it. This is a shit attempt at FUD to be honest.
I'm sorry, but no. That XBO user base would still be plenty big enough to support versions of most games.
You are letting your tech bias influence your assertions about market reality.
Favorite fanboys? Way to overact mate. My posting history suggests that i only play pokemon games. I'm only giving my opinion here, and there is nothing that suggests the XB1 was a success. However, feel free to attack me further for my opinion. I do insist.
I would call it a success. Now the Wii U and the Vita. Thats another thing. 20 million give or take a few is a success in my book. Its not PS4 numbers but they screwed themselves and spent most of the time playing catch up.
RichiRamjag
Member
This thread has certainly taken a nasty turn for sure.
Excuse me? Where did this hostility come from, and what exactly did I do to deserve it?
I have no idea why? And i couldn't believe how he chose to plug "fanboy" in there rather than actually trying to prove me wrong. Never new people were so edgy in NPD threads, but i will be staying out of them from now on. That's for sure.
Japanmanx3
Member
Dang...people in here being nasty to Matt?? Disrespectful.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Nothing personal. I just don't know what your post was attempting to achieve.
You posted something that should be obvious to anyone with any kind of idea with how tech progresses, but worded it in this snide way. I don't get it.
edit. Side note. Is it true the difference between the PS Group and Xbox group was only 100k?
Exactly.
Nintendo wishes the Wii U sold as well as the XBO.
And the XBO isnt going to stop selling anytime soon. It might be in 2nd place to the PS4 but its a decent 2nd place.
People in this thread were talking about the "generationless" idea, and the possibility of XBO eventually overtaking the PS4. I commented on both of those ideas, not in a snide way, but a factual one.
You, however, were incredibly rude for absolutely no reason. Really off putting.
MisterR
Member
He wasn't snide, that was your inner fanboy getting its feelings hurt and considering all the talk in here about Xbox one and Scorpio it was a relevant post. Matt's a good poster. No reason to be an ass to him.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But it IS generationless in the traditional sense. This is the thing. A traditional generation, is leaving behind your old game library. As of now, all digital Xbox One and BC 360 games will follow you from box to box. Taking Microsoft at their word of course.
Anyone believing Xbox One will be supported with new software in perpetuity are as insane as those who believe the Xbox One can catch the PS4.
Since when is backwards compatibility the main factor in the "generationless" idea? Backwards compatibility has existed in consoles for decades.
What would break traditional generation ideas would be forward compatibility, not backwards compatibility.
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
Yup. Backwards compatibility becomes a bit of a major issue this gen due to Sony not having it and ppl are starting to make it out to be more than it is. Was the ps2 generationless? PS3? Nah.
Pathfinder
Member
Oh come on. Your original comment was ripe with drive-by bait. And you're surprised someone reacted to it?
You knew what you were doing.
It's not my tech bias it's just that I think that if the user base & power difference get too big some studios will opt to have a game on one platform that can shine.
I'm not talking about games like Call of Duty I'm talking about new games or recovering franchises.
The userbase difference would have to be much bigger then it is ever going to be. No amount of developer eggerness is going to make turning down at least 30% more unit sales (generally) make sense.
Besides the fact that to support the Pro you need to support the base PS4...and if you are doing that you might as well support the XBO.
The effort that would go into supporting the Pro is no where near the effort it would take to port it to another system.
Never said it was.
Then what were you implying with your previous post then?
onQ said that a developer might want to use the extra tech in the Pro to make their game shine, and therefore might not want to produce an XBO version. My point was that if you have to make a base PS4 game, there isn't really a tech reason you can't also make a similar XBO version.
Gotcha.
I'd imagine they'll treat it as a "universal system" in the sense that its a home console that can be portable. They'll sell it (and it sort of already is selling itself in that way, with the initial reception and now looking at the Fallon spectacle being very positive on the presentation and "pull it out and go" mechanic) on that idea that when you "buy this console" you "get the ultimate versatility".
Buy X because it can also do Y, sort of thing.
They've also seemingly done a lot of razor-edge engineering to make the transition from X to Y smooth and appealing (like the snapping sounds in the commercial, or the nigh-instant transition from playing on the TV to playing in your hands).
OrbitalBeard
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if MS sees XB1 sales as disappointing internally.
From before launch to now? lol, yeah, disappointing is a serious understatement.
Since then? I think they have settled into the disappointment so that any improvement is a huge relief for them. The S has maybe done a bit better then their conservative predictions. The next big test is Scorpio, which has a lot riding on it.
SneakersSO
Member
Read back several page - there are many in this very thread who have stated their believe that it is a new generation. Fox_mulder vehemently believes it, despite evidence to the contrary.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
You can't be serious can you?
TRUE forward compatibility is impossible. You can't support the Xbox One forever. In the same way Apple can't support the iPhone 3GS forever. At some point you let go. But the idea that my digital library follows me around forever? Now that's generationless.
You remove the Xbox One branding from cases and just go Xbox? So people know they can simply buy a game and it'll work on ANY new Xbox? That's a more realistic idea of generationless within the confines of what the market expects of traditional console generations.
Infernostew
Member
Also losses it terms of R&D with Kinect 2 (which didn't sell and was dropped) and early price cuts where they were already selling at a loss at launch price. Granted, MS did a great job at bouncing back and the XB1 S seems to be a pretty nice machine.
Just admit you were wrong bruh
OrbitalBeard
Member
Yeah, this is pretty much what I figured. Really curious to see what software gets announced alongside the Scorpio reveal. Gotta' give people a good reason to invest in one beyond better graphics and performance.
So the idea that your library can be digital makes it generationless? I think this definition exists just in your mind.
People in this thread were talking about the followup to the Scorpio being a part of this generation, I responded to that point.
Seriously dude, why are you being so hostile? It's strange.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
It's not about the library being digital. It's about that digital library working on any Xbox console in the future.
Which is just (hopefully) long tailed backwards compatibility, which you are going to get with the next PlayStation as well.
The GameBoy Advance and PS3 played titles from across three gens. So far there is nothing that new about what Xbox is doing, it's just more convenient. This isn't a criticism, it's a fact.
wapplew
Member
I won't be so confident about infinite backward compatible, not in current market position.
Those devices with "genrationless" approach have dominated market share like Windows PC, iOS and Andriod.
They don't go destructive generation because they want to keep status quo. See what happen to Windows phone when they don't have majority of the market share or WiiU.
When your product fail to gain market share, you start over, try to ignite excitement with new and shinny.
Those devices with "genrationless" approach have dominated market share like Windows PC, iOS and Andriod.
They don't go destructive generation because they want to keep status quo. See what happen to Windows phone when they don't have majority of the market share or WiiU.
When your product fail to gain market share, you start over, try to ignite excitement with new and shinny.
SneakersSO
Member
Looking at MS' known development pipeline, I think the most likely candidate would be some tech demo of Halo 6, but that won't launch until 2018 regardless.MS most likely will have Assassin's Creed: Egypt marketing locked up, since Sony has a big grip on almost all the other big 3rd party titles for next holiday season. The Scorpio pitch is going to be more in-line with what the Pro is doing - "Play your games at native 4K/higher IQ!". I listed out who they've worked with and what they have in the pipe, and MS really doesn't have a whole lot of developers whose projects & efforts aren't accounted for. Certainly not enough to launch a new generation.
MS is going to try & get as many 1st & 3rd party games to run native 4K on Scorpio, and use that marketing message to try & sell it to as many people as possible next holiday. But with Sony having marketing deals for SW:BF2, Destiny 2, CoD, & RDR 2, I imagine getting that message across for what are potentially the biggest 3rd party titles for next holiday season is going to be tough.