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Wkd BO 0602-0417 - Amazon princess crowned box office Queen and saves DCEU
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Glass Rebel
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It's almost like some directors work better with certain companies and certain properties and these blanket statements were silly from day one.
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Discotheque
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Yeah. It reeks of status quo but at the same time are people really expecting them to be so frank about things? Just play it cool and don't offend anybody. Especially when your career is only just taking off.
And I dunno if 60 total is good for baby driver and it's budget but I hope it is because it looks (and seems) freaking amazing and it would be a damn shame for it to go unrewarded
Real happy with the cast Wright assembled for the goons too. Spacey, Hamm, Foxx, Bernthal, Flea and that Latina actress all look really dope. Reminds me of like Kill Bill with all these charismatic bad guys.
I have no trouble believing directors saying whatever they say. Creative freedom isn't some quantity which everyone perceives in the same way. Marvel certainly lets directors do what they want to do and contribute in their own unique ways, but they also have certain requirements and constrains. It's give and take. The requirements and constrains Marvel has would affect different directors in different ways, for some it's no big deal and something they already expect, or it aligns with their preferences anyway. For others it might be a bridge too far when it comes to compromise. That's all there is to it.
clay_ghost
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The Mummy is doing well overseas. In Singapore it's 1st week record (making 467000 SGD) beat Wonder Woman's (346000 SGD) opening.
I think the Dark universe is not dead.
I think the Dark universe is not dead.
Yep. And it's also worth noting a lot of the bad stuff was pre that awful story group being shut down. I think it stands to reason Wright may have been able to make his Ant Man without that risible committee.
Aren't women a slight majority who who typically makes up a movie audience? Pretty sure I've read that somewhere.
CaviarMeths
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The only two Marvel directors post-Avengers who seem to have noticeably gotten a raw deal were Alan Taylor and Peyton Reed. Alan Taylor because I dunno I guess Thor 2 was just a black hole of creativity, while with Reed there wasn't really much he could do since he was pretty much a director-for-hire brought in to touch up the script and shoot a film that was already well into pre-production. He'll probably have more room to stretch his legs on Ant-Man and the Wasp. Black, the Russos, Whedon, Gunn, and Derickson have all more-or-less indicated that they were afforded quite a bit of freedom and were basically allowed to make the movies they wanted. Gunn especially will say that he met pretty much no resistance in getting everything he wanted, but then Guardians is more removed from the rest of the continuity.
Hard to say what happened with Edgar Wright. We know he eventually left the project due to creative differences, but he had already been working on the script for 8 or 9 years by that point and well... I mean, the project had to move forward.
Also, old Ike being kicked kicked to the curb probably had a pretty positive effect on the production too.
Hard to say what happened with Edgar Wright. We know he eventually left the project due to creative differences, but he had already been working on the script for 8 or 9 years by that point and well... I mean, the project had to move forward.
Also, old Ike being kicked kicked to the curb probably had a pretty positive effect on the production too.
LordOfLore
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Didn't IM3 have major problems behind the scenes like Disney/Marvel not wanting to have a female main villain like the original Extremis comic?
? The argument of the people who "eat up" Marvel PR is that its still definitly a Shane Black movie and it is
Absolutely. That doesn't mean that Marvel doesn't have enormous influence on the actual product. They decide what they want and they will step in when they feel like you do something problematic.
Directors do not get to do whatever they want.
Of course. Its a Cinematic Universe that leads to a certain conclusion.
I have that in mind when I argue that these people tell about their creative freedom, but its the same as when you do a Star Wars Movie, a DC movie or a Monsterverse movie. Have fun with making your movie in the way you want, but if you want complete control, you are at the wrong place.
Do we blame the directors for the horrendous lack of diversity in MCU?
No, And I think its a great thing that Ike and his friends from the creative consule are gone.
Said this a couple of times. So I am not the guy who eats up the PR.
Time will tell.
Generally speaking, not directed at you, the impression I get is that people (at GAF) seem to hold Marvel in high regard when it comes to creative freedom.
And they usually shouldn't.
You need someone to call you on your shit. That's where Feige comes in in the MCU. I have no doubt he's responsible for some of the best stuff in the films, but takes no credit for it.
Time has told. Coogler's Black Panther is not set entirely in New York.
Look at the slate, how the budgets rised, how the movies suddenly look far better and how much bigger acts are casted.
Stil not sure why I am suddenly the guy who eats up the PR. Uneccesar comment IMO.
Edit: Good, just saw now your edit.
CaviarMeths
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Ike Perlmutter was a source of friction at Marvel Studios, yes. He was removed. Even so, I wouldn't call it a "major problem behind the scenes." Iron Man 3 is very much a Shane Black movie.
I'll know whether Ike was, as many say, the root of evil, when I see their next slate of movies.
I agree on Taylor, but Reed?
He came in at the last minute and still made a damn solid film with some of the most creative action scenes in the genre. He aced it.
I mean, yeah, it's no Ghost in th Shell, but it still made a decent profit.
CaviarMeths
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I just meant that he didn't have a lot of creative control over it. If I remember right, he was brought in just weeks before they started shooting and any personal touches he had on the movie would have been pretty limited.
As for Alan Taylor, he then went on to make Terminator: Genesys, so... y'know I actually kinda wonder how much worse Thor 2 could have been if he was more involved with the post-production. Thor 2 was boring and uninspired, but Genesys was a straight dumpster fire.
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Oh I see
And yeah, I have no idea what the hell happened with Taylor. His work of GoT had me hyped for what he could do with the property, but instead, we got Thor 2
I think I would have preferred a Genysis-tier mess over what Thor 2 turned out to be. At least the former is laughable.
Glass Rebel
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If Feige was still reporting to Ike, we'd be getting this
Nah. Would also happen to Feige. Local Marketing teams and everything, as sad as it is.
hodayathink
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The funniest thing about that article is calling Rebecca Hall's part a Killian like character when the truth is that Mya is the actual villain in the Extremis storyline.
As far time telling, since the split we've gotten Marvel's most diverse movie (Dr. Strange), then Marvel's new most diverse movie (Homecoming), and the go ahead on the first lead of color, the first female led film, and the first 2 people of color as directors and the second hired female director (Patty Jenkins was first, and they even hired her to direct a movie without a female lead). There are still problems (The Ancient One), but you cannot say things have not improved post-Ike.
Wasn't the restructuration announced in August 2015, i.e. long after BP/CM were announced, when Tilda Swinton had already been officially cast and long after Patty Jenkins had already come and gone?
You're really reaching here. We will see with their new slate of movies whether Feige is feige.
$15.8M is the official Friday estimate. Up about 72% from Thursday, which is a good increase. The actual weekend take is going to depend on Saturday's bump. However, I don't see how it misses $50M, even if Saturday's bump is on the disappointing side of things.
hodayathink
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Split was officially announced then, but most articles say things got to that point around the filming of Civil War, which was before all that, so the question would be whether you think he got to exert more influence before the official split or not.
Edit: And I was crediting Patty to pre-split Marvel,should have made that more clear.
Edit 2: I completely screwed up the time line in my head there, Civil War filmed post phase 3 announcement, so the announcement of those movies doesn't count (though Inhumans shows that things can move off the schedule, so moving forward with Captain Marvel does).
Gentleman Jack
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If Feige was still reporting to Ike, we'd be getting this
oh my god
p.s. The Mummy is butt, a complete mess of a movie.
Ha it's hard to say, it's been difficult to read what effects if any the NBA Finals had on takes... so its possible people were tuning in for Game 4 or tuned out if thought series was over so curious to see Sundays
Game was on last night as well. Definitely think Sat and Sunday see some decent bumps.
That's true. However, it's possible that Wonder Woman is playing stronger to the date night crowd than typical for a superhero film as well. That would lead to a lower Sat bump.
My Friday prediction undershot the Friday bump by around 10%. If Sat is still up 40%, and Sunday drops around 25%, we could see $55M this weekend.
Here's the thing, it's not that I don't think things will get better without Ike, we know from the Sony e-mails, but I'm not willing to give Marvel too much credit too quickly. Feige has said too much shit for that.
Once we know their future plans, that's when I will have a better idea.
hodayathink
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That is fair.
Absolutely, but thats any movie where someone else is paying the bills. There's also different degrees with different producers, directors, and parent companies.
Jenkins apparently had to fight for the No Man Lands scene as integral to WW. She won her battle and the studio ponied up the cash, but it was still something she had to fight for.
CaviarMeths
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That seems to happen a lot with horror movies in general, but especially ones with deliberate pacing and rely more on atmosphere than jump scares.
LordOfLore
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Damn, Mummy keeps falling at RT. At 17% now.
I don't think i ever seen a movie on RT lower then 20
I'm shocked misleading marketing does it again.
LordOfLore
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NealMcCauley
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Deadline's box office article is already an autopsy on Mummy, suggesting production was a nightmare and Cruise was in the editing room trying to save the movie. Oof.