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New info on Google Pixel 2: You're not gonna like it...

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UnemployedVillain

Member
Trouble said:
All I want in a phone:
- Stock Android
- 2K or higher screen around 5.5 inches
- Waterproof
- Headphone Jack

Why is this so hard? ;__________;

I'd even suck it up and live without a headphone jack if I could get the first 3.
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Give me this except with a screen closer to just 5" and I'm good. It's like they don't want our money
 
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Killer Queen

Banned
cpp_is_king said:
So get new headphones? Welcome to the future, before long samsung will be on board too. There is a perfectly reasonable alternative to headphones that moving towards allows manufacturers to drastically improve other aspects of the phone. Headphone jacks are dead, like cd players and other obsolete technologies. The only question is how you come to terms with it

You can even just get an adapter to continue using your wired headphone via Bluetooth
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Like what lol, making an even thinner phone? Fuck that.
 
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cpp_is_king

Member
Trouble said:
You didn't address the pretty common desire to charge while using headphones. Now you need to carry a splitter dongle everywhere. It's super inconvenient.
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Maybe I'm missing something. How are you charging? By plugging your phone into an external battery pack? What do you need the splitter for?
 
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Trouble

Banned
cpp_is_king said:
Maybe I'm missing something. How are you charging? By plugging your phone into an external battery pack? What do you need the splitter for?
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Does this mythical phone of yours have two ports? One for power and one for audio that isn't a 3.55mm jack?

Let's take the iPhone for example. A single port is used for both charging and headphones. You can't do both without a splitter.
 
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cpp_is_king

Member
Trouble said:
Does this mythical phone of yours have two ports? One for power and one for audio that isn't a 3.55mm jack?

Let's take the iPhone for example. A single port is used for both charging and headphones. You can't do both without a splitter.
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Bluetooth headphones don't require a jack?
 
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Malvolio

Member
Was going to have my wife adopt my S8 once the Pixel 2 was available, but even with Bixby souring me on Samsung, the S8 seems like a better phone for me. Thank goodness that TouchWiz isn't the abomination that it once was. I'd still prefer stock Android, but not at the expense of what I think is better hardware on the S8.
 
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Veritigo_X

Member
Not interested in having to worry about the battery life of my headphones of all things. Was looking at the Pixel 2 as my next phone but I'll be skipping it if there isn't a headphone jack. I'd be willing to overlook things like waterproofing, but no headphone jack is a deal breaker.
 
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Azure Dream

Member
I would be ok if smart phones stopped getting thinner for a while. They could use the extra space for a bigger battery, or better cooling.
 
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cpp_is_king

Member
Trouble said:
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to not want to use bluetooth headphones. Subpar sound quality, interference issues in radio noisy urban environments, needing to be charged themselves.
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I don't disagree, but the number of audiophiles who care about the quality difference is small compared to the number of people who don't even use headphones anyway, or do but don't care about the difference. Making big improvements for a billion people while making it slightly worse for a million is not a hard decision.

Bluetooth provides 24Mbps/s, which is more than enough for cd quality audio (which requires 1.4Mbps), so if you're not getting it then over time as devices improve you should (and transfer rates may increase further with future iterations of the Bluetooth spec).
 
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Uno Venova

Banned
Trouble said:
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to not want to use bluetooth headphones. Subpar sound quality, interference issues in radio noisy urban environments, needing to be charged themselves.
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Sure although, charging isn't much of an issue for most people, sound quality really only matters to the 1% audiophiles considering how people are fine with earpods.

Interference issues..well that's a new one, I have no idea if that's a real threat or not personally.
 
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faceless007

Member
cpp_is_king said:
Bluetooth headphones don't require a jack?
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Some of us don't want to use Bluetooth headphones as our primary output set because 1) sound quality sucks, 2) another thing to charge and keep track of its charge level if you want to use it for an extended period, 3) wireless interference issues, 4) greater potential of being nabbed when out in public. I have a Bluetooth set for the office but I've experienced the first 3 of these issues several times and they don't endear me to the technology.

If I'm going to be out all day, it's pretty typical for me to bring a battery pack and keep it plugged in all day, and use my wired earbuds instead of Bluetooth because I don't know how long the the BT ones will last. With only one port, I have to sacrifice one of these options. And for what benefit?
 
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ponpo

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How long do the typical bluetooth headphone set last before needing a charge & what is the impact of that amount of hours has on the smartphone's battery life re: bluetooth usage?
 
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CronoShot

Member
Probably will just stick with my S8. Was probably going to go Pixel XL 2, but no headphone jack or water resistance would be a downgrade from what I already have.

No thanks.
 
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Malvolio

Member
Seems silly to defend the lack of headphones jack. Phones with jacks can use wireless headphones as well. The removal offers nothing but a lack of choice.
 
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SwordStruck

Member
cpp_is_king said:
I don't disagree, but the number of audiophiles who care about the quality difference is small compared to the number of people who don't even use headphones anyway, or do but don't care about the difference. Making big improvements for a billion people while making it slightly worse for a million is not a hard decision.

Bluetooth provides 24Mbps/s, which is more than enough for cd quality audio (which requires 1.4Mbps), so if you're not getting it then over time as devices improve you should (and transfer rates may increase further with future iterations of the Bluetooth spec).
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"Big improvements"

What are those exactly?
 
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Astral/H3X

Member
cpp_is_king said:
I don't disagree, but the number of audiophiles who care about the quality difference is small compared to the number of people who don't even use headphones anyway, or do but don't care about the difference. Making big improvements for a billion people while making it slightly worse for a million is not a hard decision.

Bluetooth provides 24Mbps/s, which is more than enough for cd quality audio (which requires 1.4Mbps), so if you're not getting it then over time as devices improve you should (and transfer rates may increase further with future iterations of the Bluetooth spec).
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Please, tell me what the big improvements are.
Because uh... With 3.5mm, you aren't losing anything. Nada. Zilch. There is literally no reason to remove it.
 
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ThanksVision

Member
how much will last year's models cost you think? want to switch to Fi when this new phone drops, not sure if i will get the new one or not
 
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cpp_is_king

Member
Astral/H3X said:
Please, tell me what the big improvements are.
Because uh... With 3.5mm, you aren't losing anything. Nada. Zilch. There is literally no reason to remove it.
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Thinner phone, stereo speakers, larger battery are just a couple. Not sure how that translates to "literally zilch"

What you are "losing" with a 3.5mm jack is space that can be used for something else
 
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Veritigo_X

Member
cpp_is_king said:
Thinner phone, stereo speakers, larger battery are just a couple. Not sure how that translates to "literally zilch"
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How exactly is a headphone jack stopping stereo speakers and a larger battery? Yay thinner phones I guess, I always wanted my phone to be more fragile.
 
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imBask

Banned
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How to do a 180 in a year - a short story by Google
 
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SwordStruck

Member
cpp_is_king said:
Thinner phone, stereo speakers, larger battery are just a couple. Not sure how that translates to "literally zilch"

What you are "losing" with a 3.5mm jack is space that can be used for something else
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Thinner would definitely be a negative at this point. Phones are thin enough as is. And there are plenty of phones on the market now that have proved you can get large batteries and stereo speakers without sacrificing ports.
 
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cpp_is_king

Member
Veritigo_X said:
How exactly is a headphone jack stopping stereo speakers and a larger battery? Yay thinner phones I guess, I always wanted my phone to be more fragile.
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Surely we can agree that a 3.5mm jack occupies a non zero amount of space in the phone, and without the jack that space could be used by other circuitry?
 
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black_13

Banned
No surprise there. Samsung remains the best Android phone maker. I really don't get the love people have for Google phones anymore. They aren't that cheap and no where near as high spec for the price.
 
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uncelestial

Member
There is no fucking way you will get any kind of benefit from stereo speakers on a fucking phone. The speakers will be inches apart from each other, possibly even less.

I love my Bluetooth Bose cans and all but it's pure fuckery taking away headphone jacks for an absolute non-benefit like stereo. The argument Apple made was:

- We're adding water resistance
- we're including an adapter
- we have a "just works" solution (airpods)

To do none of these and just yank the jack out of there is consumer hostile and a huge misstep.

Good thing my current Pixel is still running like a champ.
 
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ponpo

( ≖‿≖)
uncelestial said:
There is no fucking way you will get any kind of benefit from stereo speakers on a fucking phone. The speakers will be inches apart from each other, possibly even less.

I love my Bluetooth Bose cans and all but it's pure fuckery taking away headphone jacks for an absolute non-benefit like stereo. The argument Apple made was:

- We're adding water resistance
- we're including an adapter
- we have a "just works" solution (airpods)

To do none of these and just yank the jack out of there is consumer hostile and a huge misstep.

Good thing my current Pixel is still running like a champ.
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The front stereo speakers on the 6p are great.
 
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Future

Member
It will always be a grand debate over what exactly Devs will use that space for.

I have an iPhone 7 and I won't lie: the headphone situation is significantly worse than before. I've been in places where I can't connect to a car or my wireless buds are dead and it sucks everytime. But it's manageable since the solution is just dongles everywhere you may not use wireless buds. So I got a dongle in the gym bag, dongle in wifes car, dongle in my work bag and a dongle at my office.

Since everyone can do this (and pay more for accessories) it's no surprise that companies remove the jack. And everyone complaining will get over it and use those solutions. Sucks but what can you do. Companies got courage cuz there is no meaningful competition sticking to its guns
 
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uncelestial

Member
ponpo said:
Actually they are, especially when compared to the common alternative of speakers on the bottom of the device.
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Actually they aren't; unless you were blasting yourself in the face at close range there was zero separation. The mono front speaker on the 5X gives you all the front speaker benefit you're talking about. And it shipped with a headphone jack.
 
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Veritigo_X

Member
cpp_is_king said:
The larger battery and extra speaker circuitry can occupy space previously used by the headphone jack? Seems like stating the obvious at this point though
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There are phones with stereo speakers and a headphone jack though? Like my Nexus 6P for example.

With phones without headphone jacks, is that extra space being used in meaningful ways? How much extra battery can you get from that space?
 
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sinxtanx

Member
how about I plug a wire into the sound hole of my phone and sound comes out

can we make that happen

can we make it thicker please
 
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SwordStruck

Member
Veritigo_X said:
There are phones with stereo speakers and a headphone jack though? Like my Nexus 6P for example.

With phones without headphone jacks, is that extra space being used in meaningful ways? How much extra battery can you get from that space?
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Seeing as the iPhone 7 Plus has a much smaller battery than the 6P, no they aren't doing much with the extra 'space'.
 
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Malvolio

Member
Veritigo_X said:
There are phones with stereo speakers and a headphone jack though? Like my Nexus 6P for example.

With phones without headphone jacks, is that extra space being used in meaningful ways? How much extra battery can you get from that space?
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Absolutely. My 3 year old Z3 had a jack, stereo speakers, was waterproof and a battery that lasted longer than any phone without a jack. There is no sensible argument to remove it.
 
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CronoShot

Member
cpp_is_king said:
Thinner phone, stereo speakers, larger battery are just a couple. Not sure how that translates to "literally zilch"

What you are "losing" with a 3.5mm jack is space that can be used for something else
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Having a 3.5mm headphone jack does not prevent a phone from having any of those benefits.
 
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