newtypepilot
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lol already a season pass even though the game isn't out yet. Too bad Epic store doesn't have early access or else you will all instantly become glorified beta testers.
No one grew up waiting for Oculus Rift's story to conclude. it's amusing seeing how much this thread can make you type.I backed it as well and I am getting the full game (even better than what the original backing would have allowed) , now as an exercise how many of you are protesting against Oculus with a proportionally scales anger response?
Remember that Oculus used the KS money to generate a product they then used to raise additional funding and only that second layer of private backers/investors got a share of the billions that Facebook paid them?
You could have built a nice story and gameplay around it... yet the exclusive DLC for the new pre-order campaign is soooooo much bigger?
Breaking a record does not mean making billions, it is good, but also speaks of the relatively low KS ceiling.
They kickstarted the game, maybe were hoping to get more, maybe they miscalculated cost vs scope, and maybe at the beginning they thought they could reasonably give the proper Shenmue sequel fans deserved and slowly realised they could not?
I am not saying DS is a group of saints, they accepted Ys.Net terms and invested as they saw something that could turn into something even better and that could sell hopefully well... so they invested in it and allowed Ys.Net to make a better game.
Where was SEGA for 15 years? Where was MS? Where was Nintendo?... etc... etc...
--> "So nothing of great value was lost." ?
No one grew up waiting for Oculus Rift's story to conclude. it's amusing seeing how much this thread can make you type.
Deep Silver gave Ys.Net money used to make a better game and do not deserve to make money off it at all despite the game seemingly being better because of this? And all because of these pieces of DLC?
Please stop it, the only reason Deep silver can get away with this is because of the poor negotiation skills from YS. Deep Silver obviously doesn´t have any plans to thank the backers for the opportunity to make money, and probably think they are a bunch of losers that need to be ignored.
, what? What did DS do to you and your family? They must not be saints, but it is getting ridiculous now.
The game scope increased, more stretch goals were added even though the KS did not clear them, and the game is bigger and better as a result. This is making the game better for the backers too.
But how do you arrive to the conslusion that because the game got better for the backers, therefore they can´t ask or demand for the DLC?. You are drawing the line arbitrarily on how much content of "the better game" they deserve, you are offering no reason why they should not get it other than DS deserve the money, as if DS was the only one that put money on it.
KS backers are getting 100% of the better game, actually more than what they backed since Ys.Net is including stretch goals the community did not fund too. Season passes are something beyond for KS backers and for people who buy the game now, but then it is an episodic series... if Shenmue IV is a possibility to extend the story, why not some side story content in DLC aka Shenmue III.5?
Where did I say you should not ask for the DLC? You can do whatever you want... whether I believe it is meaningful DLC or if this is a big outrage mountain over peanuts, whether you are going to get anything or not, whether I believe you have grounds based on this particular issue or you don’t is another matter altogether...
DS is not the only one putting money in it, but I seem to recall there is exclusive content for the KS backers alone too.
KS backers are getting 100% of the better game, actually more than what they backed since Ys.Net is including stretch goals the community did not fund too.
Season passes are something beyond for KS backers and for people who buy the game now, but then it is an episodic series... if Shenmue IV is a possibility to extend the story, why not some side story content in DLC aka Shenmue III.5?
Pre-order bonuses are likely not anything story related or major at all and KS backers have some exclusive bonuses customers late to pre order will not get... so, sure it would be nice to get that as well in the KS, but I am not sure why that would warrant hating on Ys.Net and wishing for the game to fail... all because one is not getting the equivalent of a virtual sock ... it feels like some people are looking for and holding onto any excuse to rage no matter how small.
You are making no points other than they might be overreacting.
But how do you arrive to the conslusion that because the game got better for the backers, therefore they can´t ask or demand for the DLC?
I would like to ask you to read that and the other posts. If you want to move the goalpost and/or ignore what I am saying fine.
Of course I think people may be overreacting, today's outrage culture to take share of the blame too, but I am also spending time explaining why I say that.
For example this... I addressed it, but I will do it once more. The game improved thanks to DS's additional funds, the core game is better, KS backers have exclusive pre-order bonus already, why the outrage?
You are getting a better game, what is the moral ground to crucify Ys.Net for not giving you additional free content?
Harping on the non KS backer pre-order exclusive bonus feels disingenous as it is a drop in the bucket in terms of content compared to the core game...
, what? What did DS do to you and your family? They must not be saints, but it is getting ridiculous now.
Look, you can keep dancing in circles for however many posts your daily free time allows: doesn't change the fact that the most hardcore, loyal fans that initially made the game possible are being denied a bonus that's aimed at early adopters when they are the earliest goddamn adopters possible.
And for the love of Christ, stop this shit:
You have the balls to ridicule other people's opinions on the subject when you've done nothing but shill acrobatics from page 1. You're not even being subtle in your mindless, aggressive policing of any post that speaks negatively of the developers. There's biased, then there's fanboy, then there's should-be-getting-a-fucking-paycheck levels of defense force asshattery. No-one doubts where you sit on the scale at this point.
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For example this... I addressed it, but I will do it once more. The game improved thanks to DS's additional funds, the core game is better, KS backers have exclusive pre-order bonus already, why the outrage?
You are getting a better game, what is the moral ground to crucify Ys.Net for not giving you additional free content?
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I put the pro’s and con’s on the project reaching out and securing additional funding on a scale: based on facts, based on what we know it is a net positive.
, what? What did DS do to you and your family? They must not be saints, but it is getting ridiculous now.
The game scope increased, more stretch goals were added even though the KS did not clear them, and the game is bigger and better as a result. This is making the game better for the backers too.
That did make me laugh yes. I disagree with the notion that you are correct.It may make you laugh, but either you agree I am correct or you address what I said in a constructive manner.
That did make me laugh yes. I disagree with the notion that you are correct.
Mhm. I disagree. That's all.... and yet you avoid giving reasons why in any shape or form... and deflect with laughter or one liners .
Mhm. I disagree. That's all.