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Rise of Skywalker premiere press impressions are streaming in

Setzer

Member
Disney should have acknowledged TLJ is horrible and made four movies instead of a trilogy.

It is impossible to fix what TLJ has made, no director could have undone the mess without being ridiculous, but two movies could soften the blow much better. There would not be a necessity to resolve all the arcs and more time for plot development.
I put all the blame on Disney and Kathleen Kennedy for turning this new trilogy into a cluster fuck. It's pretty obvious they had no clear vision what story they wanted to tell in these 3 films. It was the "Let's make shit up as we go" approach and they hired 3 different directors to do each one.

I thought Force Awakens was a good enough start to the trilogy, a bit of a rehash, but still a pretty good film and then you hand it off to Rian for the 2nd film and he proceeds to make a total mess of everything. It's suppose to be the middle film in the trilogy and set things up for the 3rd film and it does none of that. After watching TLJ, it gave me no interest or excitement in wanting to see the third film. Disney has ruined this trilogy and there's really nothing they can do to fix it. Would be nice if we could just delete it from existence or press a reset button.
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
What's bad is Daisy and Adam Driver aren't terrible actors like but the god awful lines and plots hurt everyone involved. When they signed on for this they probably had no idea how bad it would turn out. TFA wasn't awful, it at least had some potential going forward.
Ye.

I feel bad for the cast, especially the old-timers like McDiarmand and Daniels and Billy Dee Williams. All lovable memorable characters reduced to this now.

Kennedy and that schmegegy Roundhead single-handedly turned SW into the equivalent of Star Trek Discovery.

Three of my favorite space operas (Star Wars, Star Trek, Mass Effect) ruined in Current Year. Only one remaining I still care about story-wise is Halo and then I saw the woke casting for the upcoming Halo live-action series so that'll be dead soon as well.
 
Has everyone saying this managed to avoid the fact that the entire plot has leaked already? And that all the shit that was rumoured has been confirmed with fucking video filmed in the theatres?

Just because TLJ fans are spitting teeth at it not being the kind of trash they like to see get set aflame, doesn't mean it's not a complete dumpster fire.

I haven't read all of the spoilers yet, but I have read a number of impressions from people who said they ultimately enjoyed the ride, which I would be happy with. I'm not looking for Star Citizen Kane here. I'm looking to sit my ass down, enjoy 2 1/2 hours, and walk out with a smile on my face. That is NOT what I got with TLJ, so if this is more the former than the latter.. I will be pleased I think.

Edit: I'll add, I ENJOYED TFA in theaters, saw it 4-5 times, but have maybe watched it 2 other times since then. It's not super re-watchable, but I don't feel the need to either, but I still enjoyed it. I saw TLJ once in theaters and don't have any desire to touch it again.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
It's Xmas holidays. I'm waiting for my brother and his kids to phone me up saying they are going to see SW and if I want to tag along. It will happen.

If even Rotten Tomatoes is bombing it with a 56% rating despite some wokeness in it, my expectations will be uber low.
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I haven't read all of the spoilers yet, but I have read a number of impressions from people who said they ultimately enjoyed the ride, which I would be happy with. I'm not looking for Star Citizen Kane here. I'm looking to sit my ass down, enjoy 2 1/2 hours, and walk out with a smile on my face. That is NOT what I got with TLJ, so if this is more the former than the latter.. I will be pleased I think.

Edit: I'll add, I ENJOYED TFA in theaters, saw it 4-5 times, but have maybe watched it 2 other times since then. It's not super re-watchable, but I don't feel the need to either, but I still enjoyed it. I saw TLJ once in theaters and don't have any desire to touch it again.
Ye I'm at least hoping it's fun to some extent to justify my 14 bux.

I didn't hate TLJ as much as some did. An old friend I saw it with who is fwiw a straight white male Trump supporter really liked it and even likes Rey as a character. We had fun but in retrospect the movie was the worst of the "Skywalker saga" so far imo.

My dream of canonizing KOTOR 1 and 2 will never manifest and it's just so sad where this all went.

This is the worst year in my personal life I ever had and ending it with my favorite sci-fi series turning to Bantha poo poo just makes it all that much worse.

Well I'll let you folks know what I thought tomorrow night. Hopefully my fren MetalAlien MetalAlien can make it for a little extra fun.
 
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#Phonepunk#

Banned
It's Xmas holidays. I'm waiting for my brother and his kids to phone me up saying they are going to see SW and if I want to tag along. It will happen.

If even Rotten Tomatoes is bombing it with a 56% rating despite some wokeness in it, my expectations will be uber low.
tbh i wouldn't turn down seeing this at the drive in w my dad this weekend, just to laugh at it. that's part of the fun w silly space movies, laughing at them from time to time. not everything has to be so damn serious. im thinking maybe they can salvage this if they market to the "so bad it's good" crowd that likes The Room.
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Pretty sure it's ugly space dykes. It ain't Rey making out with Carrie Fishers daughter.
Sounds like that one scene in Endgame where a guy mentions his boyfriend or husband but it's easily missed. I don't even remember the scene myself until someone brought it up.
 

Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
I put all the blame on Disney and Kathleen Kennedy for turning this new trilogy into a cluster fuck. It's pretty obvious they had no clear vision what story they wanted to tell in these 3 films. It was the "Let's make shit up as we go" approach and they hired 3 different directors to do each one.

I thought Force Awakens was a good enough start to the trilogy, a bit of a rehash, but still a pretty good film and then you hand it off to Rian for the 2nd film and he proceeds to make a total mess of everything. It's suppose to be the middle film in the trilogy and set things up for the 3rd film and it does none of that. After watching TLJ, it gave me no interest or excitement in wanting to see the third film. Disney has ruined this trilogy and there's really nothing they can do to fix it. Would be nice if we could just delete it from existence or press a reset button.

Still rather watch these than the prequels
 
Ye.

I feel bad for the cast, especially the old-timers like McDiarmand and Daniels and Billy Dee Williams. All lovable memorable characters reduced to this now.

Kennedy and that schmegegy Roundhead single-handedly turned SW into the equivalent of Star Trek Discovery.

Three of my favorite space operas (Star Wars, Star Trek, Mass Effect) ruined in Current Year. Only one remaining I still care about story-wise is Halo and then I saw the woke casting for the upcoming Halo live-action series so that'll be dead soon as well.
Is your avatar from Farscape?

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Edit: this is also most likely going to my expression when I see this.
 
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Javthusiast

Banned
While I am happy for rise getting shit on by critics, I also can only laugh at the same critics, who dismissed any valid criticism of the last jedi from people by calling them sexist, misoginist racists all the time, that are now shitting in the same way on rise, but it sure is okay if they do it.
 
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#Phonepunk#

Banned
ive been looking at showtimes near me. there is a 6pm showing Thursday that still has 16 seats available. the 11pm showing has only sold 9 tickets, there are like 50+ seats available.

i smell bomba
 
ive been looking at showtimes near me. there is a 6pm showing Thursday that still has 16 seats available. the 11pm showing has only sold 9 tickets, there are like 50+ seats available.

i smell bomba

All of the 6-8 showings around me only have the front shitty seats available. I was debating going tomorrow night just for the fun of it, but never got tickets. I'll probably see it Friday morning now instead.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
All of the 6-8 showings around me only have the front shitty seats available. I was debating going tomorrow night just for the fun of it, but never got tickets. I'll probably see it Friday morning now instead.
LOL.

I don't think I've seen a film where I had to sit in the first 5 rows, or the seats right along the side walls.

I've sat at the way back row. It's actually great and nobody is behind you.
 
LOL.

I don't think I've seen a film where I had to sit in the first 5 rows, or the seats right along the side walls.

I've sat at the way back row. It's actually great and nobody is behind you.

Yeah, I haven't done that since I was young, before the good times, before advanced assigned seating *shivers*.

If I'm paying $8-$14 for a movie, I'm going to get a good seat at least.
 

ruvikx

Banned

Posted?

Let the soy flow through you!

Mendelson probably stayed awake the whole night after watching this piece of garbage wondering who to blame & decided the so-called "toxic fandom" (or what he really wants to call white men) were the perfect scapegoat. Because obviously JJ has the Alt-Right, Trump voters, Russian bots & Nazi ghosts whispering into his ear about their dream of seeing Rey Mary Sue rapekill Palpatine.

Quite frankly considering where this trilogy started & its stated intent (make a female carry Star Wars in modern times & equate the "dark side" with conservatives & right-wingers), the outcome is a freaking disaster for Disney. I also can see the Daisy Ridley bubble bursting (she was shit in TFA & clearly hasn't improved).
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Oh, it is most definitely the tone of the article. It even starts off with this zinger.

The Rise of Skywalker is a bad movie and a miserable finale that serves no purpose other than the reassure adult fans of the original Star Wars that they are still the “chosen ones” of the pop culture galaxy.

Professional Disney shills are upset that real fans were catered to? Decent chance I'll enjoy it for what it is.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
oh so fitting that the Emperor would win with the first trilogy made by the IRL Empire.

also does this retroactively mean Luke was training a Palpatine and telling them that the Jedi should die off? LOL
 

NickFire

Member
Simply having a gay character does not make something woke. A gay character is not the same as a purple haired grandmother who chastises the fans (or Poe) for enjoying when pilots do daring feats in the midst of combat. Being gay does not equal a marketing campaign that basically says we are only targeting non-fans with our story telling. Being gay does not equal woke.
 

Sleepydays

Banned
As others have said: the critic's agreed-upon problem with RoS is that it nullifies much of Visionary Director Rian Johnson's work:


They really are steadfastly sticking to their shilling of that piece of shit, like lone Japanese soldiers who don't know the war is long over.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Simply having a gay character does not make something woke. A gay character is not the same as a purple haired grandmother who chastises the fans (or Poe) for enjoying when pilots do daring feats in the midst of combat. Being gay does not equal a marketing campaign that basically says we are only targeting non-fans with our story telling. Being gay does not equal woke.
While the near missable scene sounds like it was shoehorned in, I agree. I hate woke shit as much as anyone with half a brain but it's a bit much to complain so much about all these things.
 

Caffeine

Member
this is gonna be one of those films where it all comes down to if you like it and not payed shills from hollywood. if you dont like the new characters you wont like them even after this film, however palpatine is here to drop memes on them.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
As others have said: the critic's agreed-upon problem with RoS is that it nullifies much of Visionary Director Rian Johnson's work:


They really are steadfastly sticking to their shilling of that piece of shit, like lone Japanese soldiers who don't know the war is long over.
oh are they upset that their EXPECTATIONS that the next film will carry on where the previous one left off SUBVERTED? did their precious head canon not come true?

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Kreen101

Member
Simply having a gay character does not make something woke. A gay character is not the same as a purple haired grandmother who chastises the fans (or Poe) for enjoying when pilots do daring feats in the midst of combat. Being gay does not equal a marketing campaign that basically says we are only targeting non-fans with our story telling. Being gay does not equal woke.

There's no obvious reason for homosexuality to even exist in a made-up universe that is unlike ours in a thousand ways. Since the SW world is not like our own, it could very well be one where there is no such thing as homosexuality. To use just one example, two people in my family have autism. But does autism exist in the SW universe? I wouldn't expect it, or indeed want it, to be the case.
 

NickFire

Member
There's no obvious reason for homosexuality to even exist in a made-up universe that is unlike ours in a thousand ways. Since the SW world is not like our own, it could very well be one where there is no such thing as homosexuality. To use just one example, two people in my family have autism. But does autism exist in the SW universe? I wouldn't expect it, or indeed want it, to be the case.
Your last post before this one was:

Not gonna lie, I'm worried about those two female characters. Sad that female characters have become a bad sign, but it's Woke Hollywood's fault.

We talk freely here. But if you are looking for people to say we don't want to see gays or women on the TV, you've gotten the wrong impression.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
I gotta say I'm beyond tired of the "toxic fandom" stuff being thrown back and forth at pro and anti fan groups of media.

If you think fandom is "toxic" you need to re-evaluate your life. The opioid epidemic is toxic. Gang violence is toxic. You know, real life stuff that can actually affect lives and mean something.

Seeing people getting this bent out of shape over movie takes one way or another just shows how out of touch with the real world many people have gotten. Social media types need to take a walk around a city or something and experience the real world.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I gotta say I'm beyond tired of the "toxic fandom" stuff being thrown back and forth at pro and anti fan groups of media.

If you think fandom is "toxic" you need to re-evaluate your life. The opioid epidemic is toxic. Gang violence is toxic. You know, real life stuff that can actually affect lives and mean something.

Seeing people getting this bent out of shape over movie takes one way or another just shows how out of touch with the real world many people have gotten. Social media types need to take a walk around a city or something and experience the real world.
My guess it's all over reaction to Gamergate and Trump and whatnot over the past few years. Since then all this rhetoric increased tenfold.

Western entertainment now is a big checklist of what you can and can't include.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
If you think fandom is "toxic" you need to re-evaluate your life. The opioid epidemic is toxic. Gang violence is toxic. You know, real life stuff that can actually affect lives and mean something.
it is pure projection. here they are, spreading divisive narratives, calling people idiots, and recently shaming actors & the people who work on these things, in order to support the narrative. they have massive audiences and spend all day spreading gossip about people through legitimate establishment media channels, dominating the narrative. yet they always play the victim, they have to point to some kind of toxic fan for everything.

they spread the idea that the country of Russia is manipulating popular opinion on these movies, based on a study that found a total of 16 Russian Twitter accounts. they were willing to provoke international tensions in order to defend a movie. this is psychopathic behavior.

TLJ just flattered the intelligence of reviewers too much. "those idiot peasant normies don't understand the themes as you do, that's why they dislike it" "it's too new!" it makes me so sick to see this myth perpetuated, as if TLJ didn't consist of a solid hour of ripping off entire sequences from Empire and Jedi.

i did want something new, and by killing Snoke, they took that away from me. they said he "wasn't a Sith", promising something non-Sith, maybe it is a galactic evil that pre-dates the Sith, maybe it is a rival, who knows? "all these theories suck" is what i was told. the truth is, he is nothing, he means nothing, was pointless, the filmmakers wasted a good 15-20 minutes of my time.

they complained that i didn't want anything new, while killing off the only new character they had introduced. the constant downplaying of Snoke is bewildering to me. Andy Serkis is a national treasure, one of the few remaining links to the lineage of monster movie & creature design filmmaking. his performances were wonderful, the hints at some deeper, unknown lore, were tantalizing. he himself described this creature hundreds of years old. with Serkis as the big bag of the finale, i think they might have a chance at pulling it off.

the decision to get rid of that, to ignore it, and then to say it was always pointless, to say that the films you are selling is pointless, that is the most bizarre decision ever. why on Earth was it greenlit? is this some kind of tax dodge? what is going on?
 
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Lady Bird

Matsuno's Goebbels
There's no obvious reason for homosexuality to even exist in a made-up universe that is unlike ours in a thousand ways. Since the SW world is not like our own, it could very well be one where there is no such thing as homosexuality. To use just one example, two people in my family have autism. But does autism exist in the SW universe? I wouldn't expect it, or indeed want it, to be the case.
There's also no obvious reason for homosexuality not to exist. It's a fictional universe where normal humans like us exist. It's expected that the human race would have all the same traits in this fictional universe as we do in real life. Star Wars is ultimately escapist fiction, it can cater to anyone. No reason to make it unnecessarily exclusive like that.
 
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$700 mllion global BO, and that's being generous. This movie is getting DESTROYED in the reviews; even those who could be called shills and access media are, by and large, shitting on the film.

WOM is gonna be terrible and I can actually see both Jumanji and Cats outdoing it domestically in the 2nd week. Wrap it up folks; Star Wars is done as a film franchise, at least for about 4-5 years or so. Maybe even a decade. Gotta rebuild the base with the television shows and they're luck AF Mandalorian is being so well-received right now.

As others have said: the critic's agreed-upon problem with RoS is that it nullifies much of Visionary Director Rian Johnson's work:


They really are steadfastly sticking to their shilling of that piece of shit, like lone Japanese soldiers who don't know the war is long over.

Hmm...this is actually kinda interesting to consider. I wonder how fans of TFA and the previous films (and aren't access media) are taking to the film. This could be another thing where the critics and (remaining) fans are on opposite sides of the aisle.

If these critics are REALLY dogging it simply because it retcons most of the RJ stuff, they're only proving how much they cared about TLJ simply because of its political messages and how they attacked the fandom (majority of whom had legitimate criticisms), not because of the merits of the film itself.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
My guess it's all over reaction to Gamergate and Trump and whatnot over the past few years. Since then all this rhetoric increased tenfold.

Western entertainment now is a big checklist of what you can and can't include.

I agree that it falls under the whole Gamergate agenda umbrella. It feels just another attack on males for being "toxic" except they can't just come out and say "men suck" because it will appear sexist and lack any real nuance, so they have to target the propaganda in niche areas like "gamers are toxic" and "movie fans are toxic" and then focus on attacking men for destroying Star Wars and Ghostbusters 2016 and whatnot because men are awful to push the narrative.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
can you believe it, this man basically spent hundreds of millions of dollars copying both The Wrath of Khan and Return of the Jedi.
 
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