lock2k
Banned
I may be not the fittest person in the world but I don't reinforce the notion that people should love chubby people and think they are attractive. This is completely stupid.The fatties need love too. I suggest you start putting out!
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Is There Any Fanservice In Western Games For Straight Men Anymore?
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Dacon
Banned
Hey mad some chubby chicks are pretty cute/attractive. It's when they get grossly obese that when should tell people enough is enough.
lock2k
Banned
Ok, it's the morbidly obese I am referring too. My choice of words wasn't wise
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
Why can't we have strong and sexy women, like Ivy Valentine or Selvaria Bles?
Women can be strong, confident and sexy, not just one or the other.
Women can be strong, confident and sexy, not just one or the other.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
God bless Japan!
Chairman Tickles
Banned
Sexy women are offensive to all the poor opressed land whale harpies.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
Being sexy used to be seen as part of what makes a strong woman.
Time was the only people telling women to "cover up" and not flaunt their bodies were Jerry Falwell Moral Majority types.
T-Cake
Member
The Chairman
Member
Oneangrygamer is getting extra angry today
Doczu
Member
Sure thing, setting her on fire would lead to a hot BBQ due to whole fat side of her.Ellie in Borderlands 2 is HOT!
bhunachicken
Member
Well, recently we had Kara from Detroit. She was a cute, little pixie girl (and Valorie Curry looks rather sweet) - https://66.media.tumblr.com/23838404617bfc86754c84d76c0d82ed/tumblr_p9iq1oVQ3C1rqlw0lo1_500.jpg
And if FF12 counts (maybe not because it's over a decade old) you have Ashe wearing that incredibly short skirt.
Not sure Fran counts, though, as she's quite literally a bunny girl.
And if FF12 counts (maybe not because it's over a decade old) you have Ashe wearing that incredibly short skirt.
Not sure Fran counts, though, as she's quite literally a bunny girl.
Buki1
Member
It looks like there will be a lot of fresh ugly western female designs this E3.
Lets start with the leaked Ninja Theory game and yes, those two are supposed to be women.
The second one is clearly based on Baba Yaga and as a Slav im all in for it, thats my favourite childchood boogeyman. On the other hand the first one is a hard pass for me, it is clearly based on a feminist, my least favourite aduldhood boogeyman.
Tesseract
Banned
yeah they need tough love, hit the gym
Renoir
Member
I think it was forgotten that games are suppose to be over the top. Its not suppose to reflect reality per say because reality sucks. Videogame is an escape. I dont want to escape reality to go to a world that mirror reality?
I want cute girls.
I want super powers
I want fantasy world
I want Sci-fi
I dont want Zion.. I want the matrix.
I want cute girls.
I want super powers
I want fantasy world
I want Sci-fi
I dont want Zion.. I want the matrix.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
Right, it's all fantasy, why do people have to take it so seriously?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
My entire issue is there is so many type of games out there, if they don't enjoy sexy design in their games, then they could simple play games don't have that, why its needs to get censored or disappear just because they personally don't like it? WHY!!?
This fuck up mind set if they personally don't like something then everybody shouldn't either.
Renoir
Member
and thats the problem. the "i dont like it and you shouldnt like it either" is the real issue. Majority of these people talking about they have a problem with video games dont even PLAY games. I dont understand how they are able to make this shift in the industry.
Mhmmm 2077
Member
The Outer Worlds... yeah, these are female characters. I guess we are f'd.
Portugeezer
Member
Fans service themselves... via source film maker.
ipukespiders
Member
The Outer Worlds... yeah, these are female characters. I guess we are f'd.
Why do they all look like Neil Patrick Harris?
wordslaughter
Banned
It really is starting to bug me that anything female and sexy is so taboo in western gaming right now.
Looking forward to the pendulum swinging back the other way.
Looking forward to the pendulum swinging back the other way.
Phase
Member
We've gotta take action and swing it the other way. Don't let outrage culture control the narrative anymore. Nobody has the right to not be offended.
S
SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Have sex incel. Like who even talks about this! You ain't normal!
Considering we still have people saying shit like this I wonder why they feel so opposed to bits of programming to be easier on the eyes to the point they insult or belittle others.
Phase
Member
I honestly think it stems from insecurity, that mixed with entitlement.
Also thank you nintendo for tokyo mirage sessions.But 90% jRPG designs are hideous and unappealing (my opinion, I know many dont share it) these days.
THANK YOU NINTENDO for not only RESPECTING WOMEN but getting my gears really going with those watermelon airbags
(pretty sure its SFW because its a nintendo game, RIGHT (or is this fan art, i cant tell?)))
Kishido
Member
In the meanwhile we see Victoria Secret ads on big posters and the near half naked Instagram pics by some models being covered on the main page of news sites.
No problem with this most of the time... But sooner or later we will stuff like that forbidden as well and labels will be just allowed to do standard outfits with no sex appeal for both genders.
No skinny fit anymore
No problem with this most of the time... But sooner or later we will stuff like that forbidden as well and labels will be just allowed to do standard outfits with no sex appeal for both genders.
No skinny fit anymore
Herr Edgy
Member
I'm German and I just did this yesterday: https://gyazo.com/8e65b52496c68b95228ee357f2118316
Can NeoGAF please support media from gyazo please?
Can NeoGAF please support media from gyazo please?
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
We've seen some developers nail it (Uncharted with Chloe, Square with Tomb Raider etc.) and some who haven't imo I want the developer that commits to being strong and sexy.
petran79
Banned
House Party developer had this to say. Unfortunately if you are not a big and influential developer or publisher with huge PR and followers behind, you fall prey to those people
Contrary to what you might have heard, House Party isn’t a sex simulator. Sex is a mechanic of my game just as it is in Mass Effect 3 or The Witcher 3 — acting as a reward, reaction, or a story element that is part of a much grander experience. Sex may be a more prominent feature because of the smaller scale of my game compared to the ones listed above, but just like those other games, my focus has always been in creating an awesome player experience.
But unlike the games above, my development journey has been inundated with the published opinions of critics who claim House Party to be misogynistic, homophobic, and all-around icky. And while their opinions are their own, the arguments made against House Party always seem to be based in a clear cultural disconnect about sexual content in video games, especially when the player is in control of that content.
When I created House Party, I didn’t expect it to get the kind of attention it did — at least not with a magnifying glass held up to its sexual content. While the main focus of House Party is its diverging decision-based storylines, the scenes that make up only about 5% of its content, the sexual encounters, are what many people know and claim House Party to be. It’s with this 5% that people label my game a sex simulator, or “pornographic”, neither of which is the aim.
House Party is a comedy, and with that in mind, the dialogues and scenes taking place outside of the sexual content was and always is our main focus. It’s also a choose-your-own-adventure of sorts with dozens of endings to dozens of stories. The player is placed in a sandbox environment and allowed to make any choices that they’d like, including terrible ones. But no matter how terrible the choice, it never results in the player landing in any kind of nonconsenual sex because again, the focus of the game is not sex, but comedy, and there needs to be an air of levety in any of the sitautions we present to the player to deliver on that.
Again, the detractors of House Party would have you believe otherwise. In 2017, two years into my development of House Party, an article was written on the site Rock, Paper, Shotgun that (not really) detailed a playthrough of a very early build of the game. The author made some good points about the game being bad, because I was a solo developer and it was at that point, in fact, bad. But his comments didn’t stop there. The author also wanted his readership to know he found the game to view women as objects to be won and that the entire party was a ruse to get the player into some not-totally consensual sex. This was never the case, not in 2017 and certainly not now.
What was clear was that the author believed that House Party had sex in it and not much else. He played enough of the game to see that certain routes allowed you to play the role of a dirtbag, but failed to play any further. Anybody who had spent enough time playing House Party, even in that very early iteration, would have understood that you can take on many roles within the party and being the dirtbag is just one role of many that you can choose– all of which are meant to be played in a comedic sense. This stuff isn’t just a parody of a party; it’s a parody of parody.
But instead, the author of the article chose to indulge in the stigma around sex in video games, showing it in a negative light and then insinuating that anybody who plays House Party is a misogynist (and homophobic for some reason… even though the game contains gay and lesbian content). While I believe his opinions to be unfounded, I don’t think he was trying to attack an entire playerbase. Rather, he was toeing the line that so many game journalists seem to toe: sex in games is bad, because sex in games is bad.
Game journalists are the voice of a larger gaming community, and with a quick stroke of the keys can hinder or help a game’s success. For the adult market, their voices are very much skewed towards the former. This isn’t always without due critique, but more often than not, they seem to allow their cultural bias towards sex speak on their behalf.
Outside of journalists, the actual players have made it very clear how they feel about House Party. Since launch the game has fluctuated between 85% – 95% positive player ratings on Steam. Paired with strong sales, it’s clear House Party is offering something players are looking for — something not enough games are willing to explore.
I mentioned earlier about the disconnect between depictions of sex in television compared to video games, and it all seems to come down to player agency. An everyday users’ ability to make choices. To consciously say I’m going to do this. This idea is the prelude to those political arguments of yore, the arguments that poisited killing someone in a game would lead you to kill someone in real life. We all remember those tiring days.
I believe that developers in the adult games industry are living in those days right now, even if it’s never being said directly to our faces. As the arguments against violence in video games dissolved over the years, critics don’t find problems in a player’s choice to go on a mindless gun-toting rampage in Grand Theft Auto V or any other violence-fueled experience that can be found in countless popular games. But with sex and nudity, it’s like a different taboo that hasn’t been uncovered and people aren’t supposed to talk about, much less play! How did we get to this point?
Is this though perhaps where a lot of the concern about sex in video games is stemming from? That instead of creating a generation of killers with Grand Theft Auto V, we’re creating a generation of sexual deviants with House Party? I can understand if this is a concern, but isn’t it the very concern that most publications were arguing against when politicians were trying to say that violent video games encourage violent behavior?
There are genuine conversations that need to happen here, because I’m not saying I’m completely right in my stance. As it stands to me and many other adult developers, we’re offering a fantasy escape that is just that — a fantasy. It’s hard for us to accept the limitations and taboo that’s rendered against us without fully understanding the reasoning behind them, and when the counterpart fantasy of violence is seemingly allotted no limitations whatsoever.
Either way you look at it, there is a clear stigma in Western culture about how sex is portrayed and engaged, especially when you’re giving the player control over that engagement. For a healthy adult niche of the games industry to bloom, our cultural approach needs to become more inclusive and understanding. No more hiding these concepts of sex away from the player, but rather encouraging a healthy exploration of the matter as a whole. To make this change, the media and platforms around gaming also need to be willing to explore this genre along with us instead of trying to shut us down at every turn.
As time goes on, things are moving in the right direction. There are some journalists who are making a positive forward push into uncovering the themes of sex in games, and we’re better for it. Several outlets have featured entire series that explore sex in video games and have done so with a healthy desire to learn and know more about what this niche has become.
Just recently, PC Gamer published an article about House Party’s newest update which included the well-known Game Grumps as the newest members of the party. The article includes some of the same arguments of the past, including things we’ve removed or changed years ago, but as a whole, the author admits that the game has appeal, and it can only become more successful as the genre grows.
Again, I have to wonder what would have become of my game if I had chosen to follow the route of unabashed violence without consequence as a gameplay. Would House Party have had its chance to shine on Twitch?
I am not the arbiter of what should and should not be allowed in a video game, just as my critics are not either. But until our industry aligns our ideals as a whole, I’m certainly not going to stop making engaging, fun content with sexual themes just because certain people find it icky.
Contrary to what you might have heard, House Party isn’t a sex simulator. Sex is a mechanic of my game just as it is in Mass Effect 3 or The Witcher 3 — acting as a reward, reaction, or a story element that is part of a much grander experience. Sex may be a more prominent feature because of the smaller scale of my game compared to the ones listed above, but just like those other games, my focus has always been in creating an awesome player experience.
But unlike the games above, my development journey has been inundated with the published opinions of critics who claim House Party to be misogynistic, homophobic, and all-around icky. And while their opinions are their own, the arguments made against House Party always seem to be based in a clear cultural disconnect about sexual content in video games, especially when the player is in control of that content.
When I created House Party, I didn’t expect it to get the kind of attention it did — at least not with a magnifying glass held up to its sexual content. While the main focus of House Party is its diverging decision-based storylines, the scenes that make up only about 5% of its content, the sexual encounters, are what many people know and claim House Party to be. It’s with this 5% that people label my game a sex simulator, or “pornographic”, neither of which is the aim.
House Party is a comedy, and with that in mind, the dialogues and scenes taking place outside of the sexual content was and always is our main focus. It’s also a choose-your-own-adventure of sorts with dozens of endings to dozens of stories. The player is placed in a sandbox environment and allowed to make any choices that they’d like, including terrible ones. But no matter how terrible the choice, it never results in the player landing in any kind of nonconsenual sex because again, the focus of the game is not sex, but comedy, and there needs to be an air of levety in any of the sitautions we present to the player to deliver on that.
Again, the detractors of House Party would have you believe otherwise. In 2017, two years into my development of House Party, an article was written on the site Rock, Paper, Shotgun that (not really) detailed a playthrough of a very early build of the game. The author made some good points about the game being bad, because I was a solo developer and it was at that point, in fact, bad. But his comments didn’t stop there. The author also wanted his readership to know he found the game to view women as objects to be won and that the entire party was a ruse to get the player into some not-totally consensual sex. This was never the case, not in 2017 and certainly not now.
What was clear was that the author believed that House Party had sex in it and not much else. He played enough of the game to see that certain routes allowed you to play the role of a dirtbag, but failed to play any further. Anybody who had spent enough time playing House Party, even in that very early iteration, would have understood that you can take on many roles within the party and being the dirtbag is just one role of many that you can choose– all of which are meant to be played in a comedic sense. This stuff isn’t just a parody of a party; it’s a parody of parody.
But instead, the author of the article chose to indulge in the stigma around sex in video games, showing it in a negative light and then insinuating that anybody who plays House Party is a misogynist (and homophobic for some reason… even though the game contains gay and lesbian content). While I believe his opinions to be unfounded, I don’t think he was trying to attack an entire playerbase. Rather, he was toeing the line that so many game journalists seem to toe: sex in games is bad, because sex in games is bad.
Game journalists are the voice of a larger gaming community, and with a quick stroke of the keys can hinder or help a game’s success. For the adult market, their voices are very much skewed towards the former. This isn’t always without due critique, but more often than not, they seem to allow their cultural bias towards sex speak on their behalf.
Outside of journalists, the actual players have made it very clear how they feel about House Party. Since launch the game has fluctuated between 85% – 95% positive player ratings on Steam. Paired with strong sales, it’s clear House Party is offering something players are looking for — something not enough games are willing to explore.
I mentioned earlier about the disconnect between depictions of sex in television compared to video games, and it all seems to come down to player agency. An everyday users’ ability to make choices. To consciously say I’m going to do this. This idea is the prelude to those political arguments of yore, the arguments that poisited killing someone in a game would lead you to kill someone in real life. We all remember those tiring days.
I believe that developers in the adult games industry are living in those days right now, even if it’s never being said directly to our faces. As the arguments against violence in video games dissolved over the years, critics don’t find problems in a player’s choice to go on a mindless gun-toting rampage in Grand Theft Auto V or any other violence-fueled experience that can be found in countless popular games. But with sex and nudity, it’s like a different taboo that hasn’t been uncovered and people aren’t supposed to talk about, much less play! How did we get to this point?
Is this though perhaps where a lot of the concern about sex in video games is stemming from? That instead of creating a generation of killers with Grand Theft Auto V, we’re creating a generation of sexual deviants with House Party? I can understand if this is a concern, but isn’t it the very concern that most publications were arguing against when politicians were trying to say that violent video games encourage violent behavior?
There are genuine conversations that need to happen here, because I’m not saying I’m completely right in my stance. As it stands to me and many other adult developers, we’re offering a fantasy escape that is just that — a fantasy. It’s hard for us to accept the limitations and taboo that’s rendered against us without fully understanding the reasoning behind them, and when the counterpart fantasy of violence is seemingly allotted no limitations whatsoever.
Either way you look at it, there is a clear stigma in Western culture about how sex is portrayed and engaged, especially when you’re giving the player control over that engagement. For a healthy adult niche of the games industry to bloom, our cultural approach needs to become more inclusive and understanding. No more hiding these concepts of sex away from the player, but rather encouraging a healthy exploration of the matter as a whole. To make this change, the media and platforms around gaming also need to be willing to explore this genre along with us instead of trying to shut us down at every turn.
As time goes on, things are moving in the right direction. There are some journalists who are making a positive forward push into uncovering the themes of sex in games, and we’re better for it. Several outlets have featured entire series that explore sex in video games and have done so with a healthy desire to learn and know more about what this niche has become.
Just recently, PC Gamer published an article about House Party’s newest update which included the well-known Game Grumps as the newest members of the party. The article includes some of the same arguments of the past, including things we’ve removed or changed years ago, but as a whole, the author admits that the game has appeal, and it can only become more successful as the genre grows.
Again, I have to wonder what would have become of my game if I had chosen to follow the route of unabashed violence without consequence as a gameplay. Would House Party have had its chance to shine on Twitch?
I am not the arbiter of what should and should not be allowed in a video game, just as my critics are not either. But until our industry aligns our ideals as a whole, I’m certainly not going to stop making engaging, fun content with sexual themes just because certain people find it icky.
ToughestSoul
Member
Is this for real or cherry-picked examples (I haven't played the game)?The Outer Worlds... yeah, these are female characters. I guess we are f'd.
JSoup
Banned
For real, but it's not all the examples. There are other female NPCs in the game that have more 'traditional female characteristics', or whatever you'd like to call it.
Paracelsus
Member
I think someone made a full pic and it was all like this, with the only pretty woman being lesbian.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
To be fair, this is more inline with Obsidians character design, they are not really known for great looking characters. Man in OW looks like a bunch of cripples too.
Not sure what does it mean as a "fanservice", but I think Jill in R3make is really hot.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Exactly. Obsidian has always sucked with character design, unless the characters are from someone else's IP (such as South Park: Stick of Truth).
MayauMiao
Member
Very hot. I like her design so much her new look surpass the original Jill.
Darkmakaimura
Member
I dunno. Maybe the game-based-off-Polish-novel Devil's Hunt? Game is pretty chad especially the very unlikable main character but it seems to defy SocJus tropes so commonly seen nowadays.
Seems like a lot of Slav dudes are kinda chad anyways.
(Disclaimer: my grandparents were Slavs so not racism intended)
Seems like a lot of Slav dudes are kinda chad anyways.
(Disclaimer: my grandparents were Slavs so not racism intended)
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chriskun
Member
Maybe the people who make these games dont want to make games with “over sexualized” women. I really dont understand why people are so up in arms about this shit. Just go watch porn and jerk off if youre horny.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
NONE and thats before we talk about western game variety as well has taken the sharpest nose dive ever. We went from devs making everything under the sun from Arena shooters to Arcade racing games to full on RPGS everything. Now a days we either get some HBO show wanna be Parent walking sim game, A looter shooter game that is there to suck money and time out of you, GAS game models that cost a upfront fee of $60, Generic rip off souls clone and BR games and cod clones. And thats before we talk about MMO wow clones and MOBA clones that happen in the last past 10 years. Creatvity and Fanservice for western games is at a cool D yes we get stuff like RDR2,GTA5,Half life alyx, and stuff like that from time to time but its mostly the complete opposite.
Renoir
Member
its not about watch porn.. you did not make this post to even entertain the argument we are having here. Im wondering now that I have typed this... Is this one of those traps people keep talking bout ?? I heard so much about them... Is this is it??! is this the infamous bait n trap??
chriskun
Member
No trap here man, the entire crux of this complaint is just silly, and so is the framing of the word "fan service" which has been coopted by pedos. Further more, the old days of big tittie real doll bitches in games was from an era when the average age of game players was much younger, so it never was for "straight men", but for straight boys.
lock2k
Banned
And? They can't exist anymore because we're in the enlightenment age or some shit? lmao
chriskun
Member
No, they can exist, but its just a natural evolution of things. But what are you gonna do? Further more the depiction of women in games still hasn't caught up to the level of "realism" these games are trying to betray. Most of the girls in video games are still way too feminine and dainty to pull off the shit they do. Don't think many people on here have seen the type of women in real life that fill the fill the roles they are playing in these video games. They literally look like dudes....I have only seen one hot female cop (she had a thing for me) in a city (San Francisco) that probably has way more female officers than any city out there. And they aren't wearing skin tight tank tops and yoga tights either, these bitches are in baggy ass tac gear.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
lol straight boys age into "straight men".
seems a bit weird to remove sexual content because the base is now men. wouldn't an adult still want sexual content in their entertainment? the idea that hetero sex appeals to teenage boys but once they grow into adulthood it's no longer needed is bizarre.
hey here's an idea, maybe adults can enjoy the content they want? seems real weird to limit sexualized content to things made for kids. like i don't understand that line of thinking at all. feels like another excuse to shame "manbabies" (ie the calling cry for men criticizing other men who don't think like them). the whole "sexualized fan service is infantilizing!" narrative is weird and icky. it feels pretty incoherent. adults like sexual content in their stuff. look at the movies and tv shows they watch. it's not some grand mystery. it's not something you need to shame. grown men like some titties. if you can't handle that maybe you need to grow up.
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lock2k
Banned
Says who?
Tits are life, bro. And games are fantasy - no need to be realistic at all.
Saber
Gold Member
I sincerelly don't understand why you waste your time explaining that to someone who either uses porn or janky material as an argument for sexy content in video-games. Feels like you're talking to a 12 year old trying to sound smart.
This is the type of argument Era uses to justify any piece of skin a female show in games.
Meanwhile they keep doing threads about Harrison Ford sexiness, which btw I have nothing against it.
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