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So... PS5 will have the best looking games next gen for the first year(s)
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martino
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And if everybody was saying it like that we would have less problem.
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cormack12
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Yeah but higher fidelity and effects push immersion, and extra animations carry the weight and drive the impact. Otherwise we'd still be playing FFVII on PSX. We are reaching diminishing returns now though with graphics, there's still some headway to squeeze out, but it's not going to have as dramatic an impact as the other areas of focus like getting those high fidelity assets on screen lightning quick, hitting 60fps, improving clarity and post processing etc
Stuart360
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Better graphics are the main seeling point for a new generation. Plus a lot of people find better graphics means more immersion in games. If graphics dont matter, we would all still be on PS1.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Because gameplay barely improves and story in games, eh. Graphics are easy compared to those.
Dee Dah Dave
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Probably yeah. But knowing Sony they will also be some smoke and mirrors nonsense like The Order 1886. Where the reason it looks so good is because it’s barely a game and rather a string of 30fps cutscenes. Also they will probably show something that way over promises the hardware capabilities which doesn’t come to fruition or never even releases.
The Pleasure
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Shadow of Mordor ps3/360
Tamy
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maybe xbox series x will have the best looking games, and also maybe the xbox series x will have the best games quality wise.
who knows? You don't know. The games aren't out yet, so we have to wait.
KlickKlack
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before you make such claims wait for fist real gameplay videos from Hallo and Forza.
oldergamer
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This is a pretty ridiculous thread, since nobody has actually seen MS or Sony games, but have the mental gymnastics to try and claim Sony will have the better looking games at launch? We're talking about launch?? I mean, at least we have a few videos of MS titles as a starting point from E3 last year. Sony have shown nothing next gen, and appear to still be working on PS4 titles.
I'm going to base this off a historical look at the last few console launches
1. Xbox 360 had better looking games running at higher resolution at launch when compared to PS3 ( despite wall guy )
2. Xbox one had better looking launch titles then PS4 ( even though xbox one was the weaker of two systems. ). It actually did have a decent launch lineup. Sony surpassed it in the months to follow.
I'm assuming the same will occur this gen. MS will have better looking titles at launch. with the X1S, ray tracing can have a bigger impact on visual quality then some are considering.
Games on the PC have had scalable graphics since 3 became a thing, that argument about the older systems holding things back is stupid as hell.
Beyond that, all the consoles are powerful enough to have it come down to art style/tech/developer talent, which is why you can't rule any development studio out ( 1st or 3rd party until you have seen what they have ).
I'm going to base this off a historical look at the last few console launches
1. Xbox 360 had better looking games running at higher resolution at launch when compared to PS3 ( despite wall guy )
2. Xbox one had better looking launch titles then PS4 ( even though xbox one was the weaker of two systems. ). It actually did have a decent launch lineup. Sony surpassed it in the months to follow.
I'm assuming the same will occur this gen. MS will have better looking titles at launch. with the X1S, ray tracing can have a bigger impact on visual quality then some are considering.
Games on the PC have had scalable graphics since 3 became a thing, that argument about the older systems holding things back is stupid as hell.
Beyond that, all the consoles are powerful enough to have it come down to art style/tech/developer talent, which is why you can't rule any development studio out ( 1st or 3rd party until you have seen what they have ).
Danteyke223
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I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here but looking at that third party reveal it looks like we might be getting more diverse genres finally and not just third person shooters. A lot of the tech in the PS4 and Xbox One was horrible, and even the best looking PS4 games were cinematic railroad sequences. By the end of the gen God Of War looked great, and same for Uncharted 4 / Expansion, but you do not interact with large crowds anymore, and most open world games are barren. People need to stop wanking over the prettiest dust spectacle if the games are not fun. Art design, and depth of a game is better than just talking about Ray Tracing all day long, or how life-like a game looks if its another 8 -10 hour movie with corridors, and limited game experience. I loved The Order 1886, the lore, the art design, and the enemy designs were fun, plus it had a unique story. All that fell on its ass when the combat was limited to tiny corridors, and limited set pieces.
Give me epic battles, WOW me again, like Killzone 2 did for the PS3. I think my favorite PS4 exclusive is Bloodborne cause that had style and graphics plus combat nailed down.
Give me epic battles, WOW me again, like Killzone 2 did for the PS3. I think my favorite PS4 exclusive is Bloodborne cause that had style and graphics plus combat nailed down.
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phil_t98
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and yet we haven't had massive open world games on Xbox one? same with PS4 there are massive open world games, not just games with corridors like they said in that briefing. did we have loading in Call od duty Warzone? Fortnight? GTA? Red Dead? its a bit of a myth that game design will change. the graphics in open world games will get better no doubt
Sethbacca
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Everybody talking about graphics when the main difference between the two systems will be that X has to accommodate a shitty jaguar cpu in their engine designs so games will be built around fewer on screen enemies, worse AI, and just less going on in general, and Sony can focus on building ground up for Zen cores on games that aren't crossgen. That's where the real difference between the two systems will be until MS lets go of the current gen.
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replicant-
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This is ridiculous.
Wandering Leopard
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Halo is cross gen title that's been in development for a long time on current gen so I'm not expecting too much, but I look forward to seeing comparisons of titles like Senua II vs Horizon II.
Also hoping for realtime game play, it's Sony's turn next before MS has another chance in July.
TigerKnee
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I'm willing to make a wager. No console warrior here will EVER EVER EVER admit that the graphics on their competing console is better. EVER. Graphics even at the current generation now are so good now, it's all a matter of subjection now. Even if it pushes more polygons, FPS, RT, etc. it's not going to matter to those who refuse to care about those things. And it's quite sad really as these developers are doing amazing work and are getting shut down just for playing for the other team...
quickwhips
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At this point it will be about what art direction you like better. Guys in metal suits or girls that look like men.
pasterpl
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the medium looks like it is developed only for pc and xbsex not xb one and will be available at launch Of xbsex, it is supposed to be taking advantage of xbsex velocity architecture
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Bumblebeetuna
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Well for starters it isn’t the next two years, it was “up to two years” from November of 2019 so at max it’s been said November 2021. So really, maybe you’re talking at max possibly year one of next gen.
Secondly regarding your example with Jak II, development doesn’t really work like that. If they’re trying to max out the power of the XSX then they wouldn’t design the game with those loading masks in the game because it won’t need it. They would then have to tinker with the game and make it work on last gen hardware. You start high and then work down, you don’t start at the bottom and then work up.
Thirdly right there in the OP interview the guy says different features can be exclusive to platforms. Meaning XSX and PC versions of games can have features that aren’t on the last gen versions. We’ve already seen this discussed with Flight Sim, the Xbone version won’t have everything the PC version has. By your logic, this shouldn’t happen, right? Or look at Forza Horizon 2 this gen. Yes, it was cross gen. But the 360 version was essentially a different game it was so different.
This idea that MS is going to try to sell us this $500-600 box that plays the exact same games as a $200 Xbone but just looks prettier, it just doesn’t make any sense. Why would anyone try to argue this lol.
And this is ignoring that, again, you’re taking at most, maximum, maybe year one of next gen. Does anyone remember mind blowing gameplay experiences in year one of this gen? I sure don’t. It takes years for devs to milk these machines and produce really good stuff in most cases.
Tiamat2san
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What?
Shocked , when I can pre-order, I will, then I’ll cancel it!
Shocked , when I can pre-order, I will, then I’ll cancel it!
Optimistic Gamer
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Sorne
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I should have phrased it differently then. Of course graphical improvement matters, but as
cormack12
said, we are reaching diminishing returns with graphics now to the point where it's not getting THAT much better. And games are even coming out looking worse than some previous gen games, but they still look absolutely fine.To me, I don't expect games to have a giant leap in graphics because of "next gen". It's just continuing along the same path, as it would normally. Just gimme 60+ fps and I'll be good.
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ethomaz
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Which tradition?
PS4 first couple of years had 3-4 first-party exclusives per year... every year wut releases around Mar, Jun, Sep and Nov.
The schedule of Sony releases is pretty solid every year.
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pyrocro
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a few?
more like 2.5 years, which game would it affect, better yet name me a sony exclusive that took 2.5 years to make.
not saying that the X will affect any games but you are definitely suggesting that it should have.
but why is my question, but why even make that statement?
Killzone: Shadow Fall was a launch game and it was the game which looked nextgen.
Eliciel
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The hole topic of Xbox and PS reminds me of the evolution of Dragonball. In the beginning a Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha was incredibly powerful and we all weresitting in awe for 5-6 episodes to wait and see it happen. By todays' standards two opponents have to transform into divine forms and shoot planets at each other.... it seems this generation is going to be decided by series of MEGATONS dropping. Shots will be fired and we will see what happens in 3-5 years.
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Bryank75
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Games can be in development well before launch....I'd estimate Horizon 2 started near the beginning of 2018.
GOW? Gran Turismo? Spider-man 2? Probably all well into development....
Remakes are also faster to do than making a game from scratch.
Not saying that you're wrong per se..... but it depends on the studio, their plans and schedules I assume. Maybe you're right and it will also take PS really long to get any really big games out.... only time will tell.
quickwhips
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Either way we win so lets do this.
MasterCornholio
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And how does showing a box show visuals?
I mean we saw visuals at the PS4 reveal but we didn't see the box.
Guilty_AI
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Forza Horizon 2, AC Black Flag, Battlefield 4.... they undoubtly look worse on the ps360 but they're in general good ports that can run good. And none of their original visions were sacrificed for the sake of the last gen, which is my point.
TigerKnee
Member
I think Forza Horizons 4 and Gears 5 hold up quite well. Then again, that's just my opinion.
Guilty_AI
Member
Also, everyone seems to be forgeting Flight Simulator 2020. Game is looking gorgeous, especially considering how demanding huge scenarios like those tend to be.
not really, RDR2 on One X looks better than anything Sony has put out. And you have to take into account that this is a HUGE open world game. It's pretty amazing.
It's not a very small game with a small scale and very linear, nope, a huge game.
And even looking at the upcoming games... flight simulator 2020 looks better than anything on this planet
anyway, we will see when the games arrive.. but saying like it's for sure is premature. I wouldn't count on it.
Of course not.
yurinka
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This generation Sony exclusives have been best looking, even when using a less powerful hardware, so I assume it will be the same next generation. Not the first year, but the whole generation.
On top of that, MS said that during the first couple of years they will only publish crossgen games, so during the first year or so Sony will be the only one releasing top tier exclusive games, so not only their games will look better, they will also be able to design their games take advantage of the next gen exclusive stuff beyond visuals like 3D audio, SSD speed, controller stuff, etc.
On top of that, MS said that during the first couple of years they will only publish crossgen games, so during the first year or so Sony will be the only one releasing top tier exclusive games, so not only their games will look better, they will also be able to design their games take advantage of the next gen exclusive stuff beyond visuals like 3D audio, SSD speed, controller stuff, etc.
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mckmas8808
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That's not how game development works when you are dealing with a console with an SSD. With fast SSDs the core game design changes. If you have to program for a console with a mechanical HDD, you can't design the game the sameway.
ResilientBanana
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Everyone skip over this shit right here?
oldergamer
Member
That killzone game couldn't hold a candle to the graphic in Ryse.
oldergamer
Member
They both do really well. gears 5 will likely look better then anything sony brings at PS5 launch ( note we have seen some of the upgrades visually )
MasterCornholio
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teezzy
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Microsoft makes a pro consumer move and people get upset by it. It's maddening. Microsoft wants you in their ecosystem more than anything else at this point; whether that be Series X, Series S, PC, XCloud, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, etc matters less to them.
Subscribe to GamePass and they're happy. How the fuck do people not understand this? They're reimagining the standard console approach.
Subscribe to GamePass and they're happy. How the fuck do people not understand this? They're reimagining the standard console approach.
MilkyJoe
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You think Sony are not going to support 100m PS4s with these games, now the world is about to see a financial crisis not seen in anyone's lifetime?
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