FunkMiller
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The entire marketing philosophy for X Box Series X seems to be: “you don’t have to have an XBox Series X to play our games!”.
It’s... an interesting strategy.
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Phil Spencer: XGS titles for the “next couple of years” will be cross-gen
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The entire marketing philosophy for X Box Series X seems to be: “you don’t have to have an XBox Series X to play our games!”.
It’s... an interesting strategy.
IntentionalPun
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Eh.. he's just saying no Lockhart, no pricing, no acquisition news..
It's kind of a dumb tweet, but it's Greenberg.. dude couldn't market an umbrella in a rain storm.
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kretos
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This is what Van Jones calls a "Nothingburger".
If the PS5 is getting games like Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet and Clank 6, Demons Souls, Death Loop etc...then Phil Spencer is a genius and this cross gen policy makes Sony brass look like morons.
If Sony shows of Horizon FW (or new games) gameplay that looks like it couldn't be done on the PS4...then us hardcore fanboys can give Sony the W.
But right now, Sony has shown nothing that suggests MS has made a mistake.
If the PS5 is getting games like Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet and Clank 6, Demons Souls, Death Loop etc...then Phil Spencer is a genius and this cross gen policy makes Sony brass look like morons.
If Sony shows of Horizon FW (or new games) gameplay that looks like it couldn't be done on the PS4...then us hardcore fanboys can give Sony the W.
But right now, Sony has shown nothing that suggests MS has made a mistake.
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CassidyIzABeast
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AAA gaming has been stagnant for so long I don't see why they couldn't release their games on XB1.
There's gonna been climbing with painted handholds
There's gonna be extremely light RPG elements
There's gonna be Mass Effect dialogue trees
There's gonna be Batman Arkham or Dark Souls style combat
it's gonna have an open/semi open world
Pick one of those weird resolutions XB1 games were running at during its first year, reconstruct or checkerboard the game up to 1080p resolution, and call it a day.
There's gonna been climbing with painted handholds
There's gonna be extremely light RPG elements
There's gonna be Mass Effect dialogue trees
There's gonna be Batman Arkham or Dark Souls style combat
it's gonna have an open/semi open world
Pick one of those weird resolutions XB1 games were running at during its first year, reconstruct or checkerboard the game up to 1080p resolution, and call it a day.
The Hamburglar
Banned
He posted this today. Must be slow in your brain this week.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Maybe read the OP before getting upset this is not old news.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Well lucky for you Microsoft thought about that and they're discontinuing the Xbox one X.
Hobbygaming
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It's more that we've always had console generations where games are made from the ground up for the new consoles. They shouldn't be trying to change that
Allforce
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I had planned to buy both eventually with a PS5 being first but there doesn't seem to be any reason to get a Series X now for at least a few years. I can buy a One X on FB Marketplace for 200 bucks if I really feel like upgrading my original XBox One...
Interesting strategy I suppose, I guess thanks for saving me some money by letting me know your new console isn't really offering up anything new.
Interesting strategy I suppose, I guess thanks for saving me some money by letting me know your new console isn't really offering up anything new.
Hobbygaming
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I'd say yes, because before it was said to be no XSX exclusives for 2 years but now it looks to be longer than that
mcjmetroid
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Why do I feel like people are still looking at this in old school console war fashion
Microsoft's aim is absolutely to sell gamepass and project X cloud more than the console. If the console sells great it's a bonus.
Having more consoles play more of their games helps when selling xcloud and gamepass. When a game releases more gaming machines can play therefore more people can play it and get gamepass ultimate and enjoy them. More money for Microsoft.
Stop thinking of it like a "who is gonna sell the most boxes" it's much more than that now.
Microsoft's aim is absolutely to sell gamepass and project X cloud more than the console. If the console sells great it's a bonus.
Having more consoles play more of their games helps when selling xcloud and gamepass. When a game releases more gaming machines can play therefore more people can play it and get gamepass ultimate and enjoy them. More money for Microsoft.
Stop thinking of it like a "who is gonna sell the most boxes" it's much more than that now.
Gravemind
Member
Old news is old news. Try and keep up.
I did read the OP. Matt Booty confirmed this months ago. There is literally nothing that is news in that quote.
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farmerboy
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Being first party games, I'd assume that MS would have the resources to make sure the series x games were series x games.
But that will mean there will be major differences between the xbox one versions and the series x versions. If the series x games are just uprezzed extra effects then MS are fucked.
And if there are major differences then previous gen owners are gonna get pissed when the promised "same" game is a severely watered down version.
Sure, I fondly remember buying games for my cpc464 based on the Amiga screenshots on the back of the box.
But that will mean there will be major differences between the xbox one versions and the series x versions. If the series x games are just uprezzed extra effects then MS are fucked.
And if there are major differences then previous gen owners are gonna get pissed when the promised "same" game is a severely watered down version.
Sure, I fondly remember buying games for my cpc464 based on the Amiga screenshots on the back of the box.
Stuart360
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Its only first party games, and only 2 years. We could be talking as little as 10 games in terms of the bigger games.
Vawn
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At least PlayStation and Xbox are finally doing different things. They've always mirrored each other too closely. I liked when every console was unique.
PlayStation is jumping in with the traditional, new generation, new experiences. Xbox is blurring the lines between generations where an Xbox Series X is closer to an "Xbox One X 2", in that it still plays just Xbox One games, but developers can choose to upgrade the performance on the newer model.
I personally, prefer option A, but I'm more of a hardcore gamer who doesn't mind paying more for the newest experiences. I can see why others see the Xbox model as more consumer friendly. If you want to play Halo Infinite, you can on your original Xbox One, but if you want to play the new Spider-Man or Horizon game, you must buy a PS5 first.
It is kind of surprising these roles aren't reversed. You would think it would Sony wanting to keep selling games to the huge PS4 install base, while Microsoft would be wanting to reset the generation and attempt to get closer to the PS360 split.
PlayStation is jumping in with the traditional, new generation, new experiences. Xbox is blurring the lines between generations where an Xbox Series X is closer to an "Xbox One X 2", in that it still plays just Xbox One games, but developers can choose to upgrade the performance on the newer model.
I personally, prefer option A, but I'm more of a hardcore gamer who doesn't mind paying more for the newest experiences. I can see why others see the Xbox model as more consumer friendly. If you want to play Halo Infinite, you can on your original Xbox One, but if you want to play the new Spider-Man or Horizon game, you must buy a PS5 first.
It is kind of surprising these roles aren't reversed. You would think it would Sony wanting to keep selling games to the huge PS4 install base, while Microsoft would be wanting to reset the generation and attempt to get closer to the PS360 split.
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kretos
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so why did Spencer talk about this old news again? maybe you should ask him
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Andodalf
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damn dude, I know reading is hard, but he pretty clearly spelled out what wild stuff not to expect ”No business, devices or similar news, just games.”
IE no price no acquisitions no Lockhart
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tryDEATH
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Its for the GAMERS, not diehard Sony fans that have absolutely no intentions of getting the system.
This will pay off so much I wouldn't be surprised if Sony actually changes its stance on their 1st party exclusives only being on the PS5. They have already followed MS once by releasing their "exclusives" on PC, when none of the diehards would even entertain the though of it. Sony is a business and like everyone else is in it to make money, leaving behind 110 million customers is just insane.
You have have got to have a real first world complex issue, if cross generation games are something that triggers you so much that you have to constantly whine about and laugh at it.
This will pay off so much I wouldn't be surprised if Sony actually changes its stance on their 1st party exclusives only being on the PS5. They have already followed MS once by releasing their "exclusives" on PC, when none of the diehards would even entertain the though of it. Sony is a business and like everyone else is in it to make money, leaving behind 110 million customers is just insane.
You have have got to have a real first world complex issue, if cross generation games are something that triggers you so much that you have to constantly whine about and laugh at it.
Klayzer
Member
Yeah, tell that to Phil. He's the one that keeps this stuff in the headlines. Stay in the basement until after the upcoming presentation, then you can do your Twitter and media world tour.
Gravemind
Member
Idk, probably because it's his job to promote his brand and he sees it as a positive feature. I dont have his number though, so that's just a guess.
Hobbygaming
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That would be 10 too many tied to old hardware but if they really impress on July 23rd then I won't mind if their exclusives still release on the Xbox One S
Coulomb_Barrier
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The casual will be happy with 4K 60FPS and think that is a next gen experience. Or at least that is what MS hope. The hardcore will be served with ground-up (sounds crude I know) next gen experiences built with a 10.3tf, super fast SSD/IO machines as baseline. I think we'll receive some mind blowing stuff in the first 2 years on PS5 (and I don't care if it's 1440p as upscaling is preferable if it allows more free performance to push visuals, AI, physics etc).
Klayzer
Member
Can't discuss it because feelings.
Qudrat Rabbi
Member
Man stop talking until you show some games Phil!
Really new experiences? The biggest launch PS5 game is dressed up a ps4 game dlc lol. The first big from the ground tent pole is not until late 2021 or 2022 horizon 2. The only difference is Microsoft is being honest about it and not screwing current generation users over. There is no reason miles DLC should be an exclusive except to be dicks it is dlc of a ps4 lol.
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Stuart360
Member
Like you said, lets wait and see. I mean certain people assume XSX games will be just XB1 games at 4k and maybe a higher framerate, but the existence of Lockhart shows that cant really be or what would be the point of Lockhart itself when XB1 would probably be hitting 1080p on first party games anyway, and the rumours suggest Lockhart is a 1080p XSX.
kretos
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alright, so he did his job and talk about his brand and i just posted what he said today, so that bring us to your accusation, and i'm quoting you, "digging up old news to shit on MS and Phil Spencer", which clearly isn't the case here
now i demand an apology
Klayzer
Member
Very simple answer to the criticism. Quit regurgitating the same shit constantly.
Mister Wolf
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Would be awesome if they had that Fable ready for launch. That plus Halo is a 1-2 punch.
Leyasu
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Why cut out legacy hardware when the first 18mths to 2yrs of a new console cycle are just shinier current gen games anyway??
All this back and forth for nothing. Apart from the warping in R&C, all of what sony showed was completely doable on the PS4 if toned down. Microsoft will show the same things next week. Launch window games are the same every gen.
The real next gen games are being made now.. Compare launch games to 2022/23 games to see the difference.
All this back and forth for nothing. Apart from the warping in R&C, all of what sony showed was completely doable on the PS4 if toned down. Microsoft will show the same things next week. Launch window games are the same every gen.
The real next gen games are being made now.. Compare launch games to 2022/23 games to see the difference.
Gravemind
Member
You'll get no such thing. This is old news and has been talked about to death on here. Phil Spencer regurgitation news from months ago doesnt qualify as "news".
You know the real reason you posted this thread, among many other similar ones.
Qudrat Rabbi
Member
There’s like 7 days left. He can just practice his lines for stage
Imo they'll basically design games for the Series X and just totally gimp them for the One systems. They may push 4k 60 fps to help smooth that process.
So I think graphically Xbox games will probably be in the same ballpark as ps5 games. Their real problem is going to be not being able to take advantage of the CPU and SSD. There really isn't any way round that issue.
E.g. there's no way they could release anything as next gen as Ratchet with all that instant world switching. It's just not possible.
Hobbygaming
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I like that theory and I hope there really is a big leap
Gamerguy84
Member
They just bought the studios in 2017 or so. True AAA next gen games arent ready yet is the reason hes talking about cross gen games.
HZD was in development 6 years. Ghosts has been in development since Infamous released in 2014.
Unfortunately game devopment for quality AAA games takes a long time.
HZD was in development 6 years. Ghosts has been in development since Infamous released in 2014.
Unfortunately game devopment for quality AAA games takes a long time.
Alder
Neo Member
Yeah
The first year of a new generation console is always underutilized.
Sometimes it's because the old hardware is exotic
Sometimes it's because the new hardware is exotic
But the main problem is when DevKit arrives in the hands of the developers. In the case of the PS5 it was in the middle of 2019.
In a development cycle of 4 to 5 years for games coming out until the end of 2021 that to say that most of the development was done without Devkits.
For microsoft the leap will be similar to Xone for Xone X, since she built her hardware in a linear way
kretos
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it's not old news
if you think it's old news why did he talk about it again today? if it doesn't qualify as news so why did they post this "news" today? if you don't have his number maybe you should ask him on twitter
That doesn't really explain why games from their existing studios, e.g. Halo Infinite, Everwild, and the next Forza, are cross gen, though.
Stuart360
Member
Well Lockhart could end up being something completely different to what we think, but if it IS a 1080p budget XSX, it would be totally pointless if its running the same exact games as XB1 at the same settings and Rez. Its just common sense really.
jimbojim
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It is old news in some way. But ,like i've said on last page, Booty claimed cross-gen games till end of 2021, Spencer with his words extends that beyond 2022-23.
Klayzer
Member
Phil apparently can't stop talking. Though, if it's a choice between him or Aaron, give me Phil everyday.