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Phil Spencer: XGS titles for the “next couple of years” will be cross-gen
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Explosive Zombie
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I picked two of their exclusives, if I mentioned how great Resident Evil Village was I'd expect the counter to be about how it's not PS exclusive or something. I'd like to know what games weren't impressive and what about them didn't impress you and why I should care that anyone feels the same way as you? This is called argumentum ad populum, I really don't care if the entire gaming world was unimpressed by literally everything showed, I was impressed and want to know why others weren't.
Stuart360
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After months and months of concern trolling over this subject, yes i would find it funny.
The Alien
Banned
As poor as the console sold, they still PROFIT billions off XBox services. Services.
MS doesn't care that they "only" sold 50 million consoles. They care significantly more that they have 10M GamePass subscribers and over 90M Live users (across PC, XBox, etc.).
They want everyone to come on board.
FunkMiller
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I don’t really see a situation where Horizon Forbidden West - made exclusively for the Ps5 - ends up looking worse than Halo Infinite - made to run on vanilla XBox One.
Sethbacca
Member
Nailed it. Selling someone a $500-600 system to play last gen games for a couple years flies in the face of everything those of us gaming for 30-40 years hold as norms. It's not pro consumer, it's expanding your base at the cost of alienating gamers who look forward to generational change.
I mean it may work out for them but meh......
Stuart360
Member
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Why are PC users subscribing to Xbox Live? Do they mean the XBOX game bar thing that comes standard with Windows 10 and autoruns in the background for all of us? Like are they counting me, a non-gold person who happens to have his XBOX Live account connected on PC?
Make up your mind
Those aren't contradictory ideas, I care how an INDIVIDUAL feels in an argument, I do not care what a group thinks that isn't part of said argument.
nikolino840
Member
I don't know. ..but hzd and death stranding are the bells and wistlers of the ps4 version...
And why there's some are saying that multiplat are better on pc? Red dead 2 Xbox one = red dead 2 on a 2000 $ pc
Stuart360
Member
It was a solid show in terms of the amount of games and variety (too many cartoon style games for me though), but as a showing of next gen visuals, it was dissapointing for me, after the hype. Loads of people on this very forum felt the same.
UltimateUnknown
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I know the whole PS5 fastest console because of their SSD has become kind of like a meme, but doesn't this stance from MS basically confirm that?
MS will be making their 1st party games to the limitations of the Xbox One, one of the biggest of which is the HDD. The Series X games will just be upgraded versions of the Xbox One games with better resolution/frame rates/load times, unless they want to design different games altogether.
We saw a glimpse of how level design can be affected by SSD in Ratchet and Clank (which is just at launch) and I'm sure games like Horizon 2 will build upon that even further. I find it very difficult to believe those games would be what they are design-wise if Sony still had to build them with the PS4's limitations in mind.
MS will be making their 1st party games to the limitations of the Xbox One, one of the biggest of which is the HDD. The Series X games will just be upgraded versions of the Xbox One games with better resolution/frame rates/load times, unless they want to design different games altogether.
We saw a glimpse of how level design can be affected by SSD in Ratchet and Clank (which is just at launch) and I'm sure games like Horizon 2 will build upon that even further. I find it very difficult to believe those games would be what they are design-wise if Sony still had to build them with the PS4's limitations in mind.
Sethbacca
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I mean, I have a gaming PC too, but just like the console wars people gotta stick up for their box of choice and justify it's 5x cost guess.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Yes. Xbox announced Xcloud will be included with Game Pass Ultimate today. People (most of whom aren't interested in XsX in the first place) needed something to complain at Xbox about.
The Alien
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I'll take a stab here.
First, Sony's show was much better than Microsoft's May showcase. We'll see how the MS July show goes.
Next, these type of shows, in general, are for everyone...so at best you may only like 70% of what's shown because these companies are trying to cast wide nets. That explains vids showing NBA to RE: Village to Bugsnax.
Or in Microsoft: NFL to The Medium to kiddy cartoon games.
Now, IMO... why wasn't I impressed with Sony's show?
- Miles Morales: cool but clearly built off the PS4 game. I'll still play it.
- RE: Village: actually looked awesome, but yeah, multi-plat.
- Deathloop: looked good, not great.
- HZD: for those psyched, I get it. Game looked great. I wasnt a huge fan of the first one though..just wasnt my game.
- Lil Devil I thought looked pretty cool.
- Bugsnax: f'ing LOL. It's already a meme.
- Cool console reveal, but I still feel like there are so many questions that still remain about it.
nikolino840
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I don't have a gaming pc,but i'm playing gears tactics at 720p 30fps and the game have set at medium/low
Does change something in your pc? Or is just bells and the other things
TLZ
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I just want a show of great game after great game. I don't want any of that boring developer talk to fill up the hour. Leave that for a separate developer video.
Stuart360
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You need a XLive account to use Gamepass. And as i had to make a Live account when i signed up to Gamepass, no they dont count the Xbox bar thing as Live subs.
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Explosive Zombie
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That's all fine I just wonder about people using it as a cudgel against Sony as if Next-Gen for them looks less bright because of it.
But Gamepass only has 10 million subs, how do we reach 90 million Live accounts? My PC Live account I use for Gamepass is not a paid for account, I pay for Gamepass, not Live.
Fair enough, but your phrasing implied that it's the received wisdom that it was bad.
When the response was generally very positive.
I agree that too many cartoony games were shown, as it's harder to translate increased fidelity in those to a real generational leap. Sony would've been wiser to show a bit more of realistic looking games.
BUT all that said, the fact that almost everything ran at native 4K and - cartoony visuals aside - with something approaching a generational leap, I found extremely impressive. I was expecting Ratchet, e.g., to be revealed as some kind of reconstructed 4k. To have that leap in fidelity, at native 4K, AND with ray tracing. That's seriously impressive.
Klayzer
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Ohh Phil, can you please just stay away from making comments to the public for a while, please. First it was one year, now it's a couple of years. Just let the upcoming content speak for themselves.
I see the usual suspects trying to stifle opinions about Xbox they don't like, carry on.
I see the usual suspects trying to stifle opinions about Xbox they don't like, carry on.
Ellery
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Well to be fair Assassin's Creed is not a first party xbox game, but I agree that it looks extremely dated for a late 2020 game. Doesn't help that we got RDR2 and TLOU2 recently
Rhazer Fusion
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Any way you slice it or spin it, this is a disappointment, especially after such a long wait and anticipation. Finally after 7 years, you get the world’s most powerful console with next generation games. Hey guys, we don’t want to leave anyone behind, so we are going to hold back somewhat with the world’s most powerful console for about.......2 years so no one will feel left out. While I understand their generosity and strategy, but aren’t they trying to sell us on their next generation console over the competition? Oh yeah, um.....the games could be $70. Thank you for your understanding.
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Stuart360
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Dont get me wrong, i expected what we got to an extent. I had said numerous times on here over the last year or so that there will be a fair amount of next gen games that look like good XB1/PS4 games but at 4k. Now throw ray tracing into the mix as well and we are probably doing well to get the 'jump' we got at Sony's show.
Now imagine if next gen games were targeting 1440p with little or no ray tracing, imagine the kind of jump we would of seen from a 10tf machine.
TLZ
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It's normal for a lot of people to not be impressed in something, and at the same time even whole a lot more were impressed.
In this case, the Sony future of gaming show, while you're right 40,000 people weren't impressed, 490,000 were.
So it did do something right and tickled a lot of people in the right spots.
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hemo memo
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For the first year we will get remasters and cross-gen anyways. But yeah. Two years is too long.
Explosive Zombie
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Some of the generational leaps PS5 and Series X are providing involve things like loading times, data streaming, etc. stuff that is hard to convey via a short demo. If we're strictly talking big effects the showstoppers will always be the first party titles.
The Hamburglar
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Yah cos those 90 million live users are actually paying for gold
.How does a live person work on pc exactly? Having the app?
Grinchy
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I think you're giving them too much credit. I don't even think it's about expanding their base. I think it simply comes down to bad scheduling and management of internal studios.
And then all the new ones they bought were purchased near the end of this generation and weren't going to be ready to release for the launch year. So, instead of letting it all be seen for what it is, they came up with this absolutely brilliant PR. I hope they put as much creativity into their new games as they put into this PR push.
TheCrimsnFuckr
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I am going to be honest when I say that I really don't see why people are complaining about this. It's nothing new and the only thing new is that the Xbox One and Xbox Series X use the same basic architecture (64bit x86) and many games have been cross generational forever really. Sonic the Hedgehog was the Genesis's marque title yet it also released on the Game Gear/Master System. God of War 2 was released on PS2 over a year after the PS3 came out and there are also many other examples.
And I also really doubt that with the massive amounts of scalability that exists in game development that the actual professional developers can't make their game work on older hardware if they want to. That's not to say that there aren't games that conceptually would need the SSD and other horsepower, but I honestly think that most games that come out during the first half of this coming generation really won't need all that additional tech. With the fact that the consoles all have the same architectures and APIs and that the games are coming out on PC as well, there will absolutely be a good amount of scalability that the devs can get out of the games without them being compromised.
I can guarantee that every game that comes out during this cross generation period will absolutely look and feel next generation on the new consoles.
I also don't see why many people are complaining. This move is good for gamers and it's good for Microsoft
And I also really doubt that with the massive amounts of scalability that exists in game development that the actual professional developers can't make their game work on older hardware if they want to. That's not to say that there aren't games that conceptually would need the SSD and other horsepower, but I honestly think that most games that come out during the first half of this coming generation really won't need all that additional tech. With the fact that the consoles all have the same architectures and APIs and that the games are coming out on PC as well, there will absolutely be a good amount of scalability that the devs can get out of the games without them being compromised.
I can guarantee that every game that comes out during this cross generation period will absolutely look and feel next generation on the new consoles.
I also don't see why many people are complaining. This move is good for gamers and it's good for Microsoft
Balducci30
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God this dude is annoying me. No one is down with this man give it a fucking rest or change your strategy
kretos
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majestix1988
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You won’t be forced into the next generation. but the current generation going out of stock,faster or else you will be forced on next generation
Romulus
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Hm.
I just don't see a point against developing an exclusive around a specific set of specs. Anytime you add more consoles to the equation, it lessens the advantage. Only in this case, the imagination and scale of worlds are extremely limited to a system that was underpowered in 2013.
There's a reason some XSX 3rd party games are skipping the XB1 altogether, same reason most PS5 exclusives are skipping PS4. And it's not because they don't like money. In order to get the most out of specific hardware, you need to develop a game around those specs. XSX is very unique, and this even furthers the point that they'll never get as much out of as they could have without XB1. Its an anchor. Even from the concept stage of development, hardware specs are one of the most important aspects of developing your game.
Tell me about it. Native 4k is a travesty. Ray tracing is mostly a luxury at this point.
I don't agree though that they just look like very good current gen games.
Ratchet, Horizon, Project Athia, Village, Demon's Souls, Pragmata, and maybe Kena looked a full generation ahead of PS4.
Others like Stray, Ghostwire Tokyo, Destruction Allstars, Deathloop, Little Devil Inside looked like decent first generation titles, not mind blowing but decidedly better than anything current gen.
I'm not sure about Spider-Man tbh. It just looks like a prettier version of the PS4 game to me, it was pretty disappointing.
HA!!!
Schmick
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I'm with you on this.
SlimySnake
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kretos
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Stuart360
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For all we know all the first party games could be developed on XSX and a side studio paid to convert the game to XB1. I dont think that IS happening, but it does happen, i mean look at the Switch ports.
And speaking of Switch, there has alrady been devs saying they will be able to port next gen games to the fucking Switch, just think about that for a second. Obviously all these modern engines have great scalability in them. XB1 versions could be 720p and a stuttery 30fps for all we know.
And speaking of Switch, there has alrady been devs saying they will be able to port next gen games to the fucking Switch, just think about that for a second. Obviously all these modern engines have great scalability in them. XB1 versions could be 720p and a stuttery 30fps for all we know.
I can play the game on my PC.
So I ask again, why should I buy this console?
Hell, apparently I can buy an Xbox one X and not miss anything. Why wouldn't I just do that and save 300 dollars?
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I'm gonna tell your mom you're posting pervy gifs on GAF instead of doing your homework.
Stuart360
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Well its like that game, cant rememebr the name, the one that looked like a fantasy style Zelda game. It looked great, but we got the recent PC requirements and they were just like a good current gen game, people were shocked the requirements were so low.
Jtibh
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Given how quick microsoft gets rid off 2 year old consoles, cough xbox x cough , it will happen 100 percent.
And they say sony is anti consumer with their strategy.
I dont know man but if i have to buy a 600hp car and you tell me i will be able to only use 200hp for the first 2 years i rather buy something usefull or something cheaper for half price. But i think they got you right there with their discontinued xbox and s.
So you are forced to buy series x or cockhard but you wont get to see the full potential till 2 years down the road.
Yep thats microsoft for ya.
MasterCornholio
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The most that I've seen is some people saying that Microsoft will show games that look much better than what Sony showed at their reveal. However it's only a couple of people that are doing that.
The majority seem to have some pretty realistic expectations for the event. On a side note Microsoft isn't hyping it to the high heavens which is good to see because they will avoid more people getting disappointed that way.
I personally believe it will be a nice event but it won't destroy the competitions previous showing. Both manufacturers will have some pretty good offering in terms of games. I don't think anyone should worry.