Drunkensamurai
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The big issue with Gamepass is now Xbox owners expect most games to be on Gamepass and limit sales of games. Studios will turn to Sony to secure the lost revenue
The big issue with Gamepass is now Xbox owners expect most games to be on Gamepass and limit sales of games. Studios will turn to Sony to secure the lost revenue
How much is Microsoft paying devs/publishers to put games on their service?Studios will turn to Sony to secure the lost revenue
I guess you could argue that GamePass subscribers are cheap and don't want to pay for games outside the platform. But those cheap ass bastards (like myself) were not going to buy many $60 games day one to begin with.
How much is Microsoft paying devs/publishers to put games on their service?
And there's the problem.
I still haven't seen 1 big AAA publisher put their game on GP day 1.
Because sony is prob making more money with one game selling close to ten million then a deal MS could have cut them. Throw them in the service give them a slice of pie, or have the company thats market leader and has more consoles out and sold to give you a shot at the big leagues?How does Gamepass limit sales of games not included in the service? If a dev puts a game on there, they've obviously worked through the numbers themselves.
I guess you could argue that GamePass subscribers are cheap and don't want to pay for games outside the platform. But those cheap ass bastards (like myself) were not going to buy many $60 games day one to begin with.
MS is conditioning people to not buy games. Gamepass as a sevice, you like what you like but it also gives them an excuse to be more GAAS model because "well its in gamepass, we'll fix it when we get to it"How does Gamepass limit sales of games not included in the service? If a dev puts a game on there, they've obviously worked through the numbers themselves.
I guess you could argue that GamePass subscribers are cheap and don't want to pay for games outside the platform. But those cheap ass bastards (like myself) were not going to buy many $60 games day one to begin with.
Because sony is prob making more money with one game selling close to ten million then a deal MS could have cut them. Throw them in the service give them a slice of pie, or have the company thats market leader and has more consoles out and sold to give you a shot at the big leagues?
Why would they need to?I still haven't seen 1 big AAA publisher put their game on GP day 1.
And there's the problem.
They look at a guaranteed cash pile and say sure why not however the fruit is always sweeter on the other side. Gamepass is only enticing for the i die darlings that knwo their game wont be fired and want some sort of security.Are you saying that MS is forcing devs into GP, so it's GP or Sony?
Devs aren't fanboys, they understand that if there is no MS, this is no deals to be had from Sony either.
In the same way that Hulu is just as important to the company selling content to Netflix as Netflix itself, without competition there are no exclusivity deals at all.
Yeah so at the moment it's $1.8bn revenue a year, but who knows what percentage of gamers are paying the full price.Here’s a little thought experiment.
Assume that all of those 10000000 are paying $15/month for ultimate (they’re not) and that by pushing it hard they double that.
That’s total Gamepass revenue of 3.6 billion, albeit 1/3 of that was existing Gold revenue.
That revenue now needs to support 15 studios and buy 3rd party content.
Do you think you’re going to get $500m games that take 5 years to produce?
How much profit do you think is on that?
They look at a guaranteed cash pile and say sure why not however the fruit is always sweeter on the other side. Gamepass is only enticing for the i die darlings that knwo their game wont be fired and want some sort of security.
Thats why you decrease the value of the game to entice people to get it, its called a saleThe rub is that GamePass isn't the only option available. Have a big AAAA game that you are absolutely getting as many $60 sales as you can with, great. Down the road, once you've sold what you think you can, for the most part, maybe you decide that GP would be great icing on the cake.
Thats why you decrease the value of the game to entice people to get it, its called a sale
I just saw Crapgamer, of all people, make some cogent points about the downsides of Gamepass, stuff I hadn't thought of myself, in part because I'm not as plugged into the Xbox environment as he is. I won't link the video, because I can guess what people think of Crapgamer.
of all the reasons why people would say "Gamepass isn't for me" this is the most valid these days. There are some genres that simply aren't well served by Gamepass.plenty of JRPG & musou games, which is something lacking on GamePass
in what planet games on ps4 are selling 10 million?Because sony is prob making more money with one game selling close to ten million then a deal MS could have cut them. Throw them in the service give them a slice of pie, or have the company thats market leader and has more consoles out and sold to give you a shot at the big leagues?
Sounded like just a bunch of clueless assumptions to me. The dumbest being that even if MS had 10m subscribers at $10/mo, the yearly revenue would be barely enough to cover development costs of two games. Then there's the assumption that without GP, MS would be competing with Sony in first-party output. News flash, MS wasn't matching the speed and scale of Sony's output long before GP was a thing. And so on.
thats makes no sense at all,gamepass embassators repeat this mantra on every thread and thats not true,gamepass makes people spend much less on games outside the service,its not only money,its time and people have certain expectations,im tired of people telling other "im waiting for this game to be on gamepass "Thats not a problem in any capacity. If anything Game Pass helps get revenue by giving the cheap gamer a reason to spend money.
thats makes no sense at all,gamepass embassators repeat this mantra on every thread and thats not true,gamepass makes people spend much less on games outside the service,its not only money,its time and people have certain expectations,im tired of people telling other "im waiting for this game to be on gamepass "
And yet those 7 are exclusive and fucking huge, mind telling me what game broke ten million for MS?in what planet games on ps4 are selling 10 million?
there only 7 games that have broken 10mil, and 4 of them are sony's
then "close to ten" (8) is gts , also sony's, then we go below 5 mil for a couple of games and then to a fraction of the numbers you are throwing around
If you like a game you are playing on gamepass you're able to buy it as well. They even give you a discount on it.
And yet those 7 are exclusive and fucking huge, mind telling me what game broke ten million for MS?
Minecraft was bought after by MS, however sure thats great but its a multiplatI will do you a bit better then 10 million.
Minecraft as of may 16th 2020 sold 200.000.000 copies for Microsoft, that makes it by far the best selling game ever!
Minecraft was bought after by MS, however sure thats great but its a multiplat
Watching IGN reaction to the event, or Alannah and etc. They all big up GamePass like the lack of decent exclusives don't matter.
But GanePass isn't for everyone. This is coming from someone who loves Netflix and Spotify. With those mediums I can plow through a ton of music and TV shows. My wife also uses these accounts. However with games it takes longer to play games which means you can't play a ton of games to make it worth your subscription fee. Also there are many games that are long or have online modes so your focusing on one game alot. Finally there are a ton of games that just never come out on GamePass.
I'll give you a example last year I bought Monster Hunter Iceborn which coated me around £35. I played that game exclusively for 2 to 3 months straight and nothing else other than a few sessions if Street Fighter V here and there. I also purchased God of War which was on sale for £10. I also picked up Mario Maker for the Switch which costed me £40. Also received Sonic Mania from Plus and TitanFall 2 which I played. With those 6 games that was enough games for me for a year.
If I paid for Gamepass without those £1 deals id spend around £130 for a year without choosing what games I want to play.
So this is why Gamepass don't interest me. I'd rather buy games I love day 1, and grab games I am half interested in on a impulse sale price, instead of paying for a sub and be limited to games their. The fact is I only play upto 6 games a year for me it's about quality over quantity and alot of the time the 6 games in that year are Sony exclusives. None of the games from Microsoft interest me other than Forza Horizon and Ori.
And I don't see Gamepass working with the masses. I have a ton of casual friends who only play FIFA and COD and grab the occasional other game like GTA, Red Dead and Spiderman that you wouldn't see in Gamepass. They don't play a ton of games a year. That model for many only works for Netflix and Spotify as those mediums you can go through more content quicker.
But you get every Microsoft game day one on game passGame Pass isn’t really aimed at us (enthusiasts) who buy every new game on day one. It’s aimed at the mass market in an attempt to lure them away from PlayStation by offering ridiculous value while also hoping customer enjoy the games enough to then buy DLC/MT etc on top of their subscription fee.
Third parties also get to boast about “X number of players” for games that have largely sold all they ever will outside of bargain bins. It’s a great service. For the right type of customer.
I imagine combinding Game Pass with the possible elimination of Gold subscription fees aswell as offering what is essentially a 1080p version of Series X for $300 is MS’s combined battle plan for this gen. If so they will do a lot better than this gen but I still think Sony will sell 30-40% more boxes overall by the end of the gen.
But you get every Microsoft game day one on game pass