Riky
$MSFT
Mines a Nanocell so no such problem, such a big difference compared to my older Sony 4k set, VRR just means screen tearing and juddering are a thing of the past.
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DF | Outriders First Look: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S vs Xbox One X!
Mines a Nanocell so no such problem, such a big difference compared to my older Sony 4k set, VRR just means screen tearing and juddering are a thing of the past.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well that's nice, but I ain't dropping another 3000EUR on new TV.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
That's not a vrr issue so much as your tv issue.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well probably, but I think I have high-end enough TV for this to not be issue, simply seems like market was not ready for consoles and hell consoles are nowhere near ready OS wise.
Did you see me refuting anything about fps? No. I talked about you going on about texture resolution with lols in the middle to get the accolades from the rest of the warriors. I asked a simple question, you don't have an answer it's fine. Bruh..
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
So, uh...this game may not be anyway near as clear-cut a "win" for a given platform as I first though. People are pulling up screenshots now where PS5 has much worst lighting in some areas as well as lower environmental detail/objects and worst cloth physics compared to the PC and Series X versions.
If that's the case, it's not surprising if PS5 has less framerate drops (and according to DF, it DOES have frame drops, just not as much) due to the aforementioned differences. Some of the screenshots almost look worlds apart IMO. Hate to pull it from Reeee, but here 'ya go:
[PC/SERIES X]
[PS5]
[PC/SERIES]
[PS5]
If that's the case, it's not surprising if PS5 has less framerate drops (and according to DF, it DOES have frame drops, just not as much) due to the aforementioned differences. Some of the screenshots almost look worlds apart IMO. Hate to pull it from Reeee, but here 'ya go:
[PC/SERIES X]
[PS5]
[PC/SERIES]
[PS5]
Concern
Member
So, uh...this game may not be anyway near as clear-cut a "win" for a given platform as I first though. People are pulling up screenshots now where PS5 has much worst lighting in some areas as well as lower environmental detail/objects and worst cloth physics compared to the PC and Series X versions.
If that's the case, it's not surprising if PS5 has less framerate drops (and according to DF, it DOES have frame drops, just not as much) due to the aforementioned differences. Some of the screenshots almost look worlds apart IMO. Hate to pull it from Reeee, but here 'ya go:
[PC/SERIES X]
[PS5]
[PC/SERIES]
[PS5]
I just want to see both consoles run the same settings rather than this. You really can't pick a clear cut "winner".
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
There's only one part of the game that has missing physics. You're acting as if this applies to the entire game. Again, I don't know what you guys get by being dishonest.
Great Hair
Banned
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Because the PS5 version is lighter in tone in comparison to the XSX version. So far, I haven't seen lower environmental detail/objects.
Md Ray
Member
Username checks out.
Portugeezer
Member
They can always lower the resolution of XSX for the full release, stabilise framerate hopefully.
Vasto
Member
muteZX
Banned
We dont know avg framerate of the PS5 version .. framerate is locked at 60 fps max .. so fps advantage can goes way beyond 5% .. XSX is at 50-60 fps range.
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Krisprolls
Banned
Nope, Series x version looks blurrier while also running less frames, despite the resolution. See all the pics above.
PS5 basically locked 60 with better image quality too.
They should lower res on Series X to get a decent framerate and remove the terrible blur effect. Is it VRS? The ground looks ugly on Series X.
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Insane Metal
Member
Exanthus
Banned
People had this exact same argument in a certain area of Hitman 3 for series X...
One part of the game yet....
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Riky
$MSFT
Looks fine to me, destroys my 8 series Sony set for picture quality.
Krisprolls
Banned
What happened with the ground on XSX version?
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FatKingBallman
Banned
For PS5, yeah
FatKingBallman
Banned
So, uh...this game may not be anyway near as clear-cut a "win" for a given platform as I first though. People are pulling up screenshots now where PS5 has much worst lighting in some areas as well as lower environmental detail/objects and worst cloth physics compared to the PC and Series X versions.
If that's the case, it's not surprising if PS5 has less framerate drops (and according to DF, it DOES have frame drops, just not as much) due to the aforementioned differences. Some of the screenshots almost look worlds apart IMO. Hate to pull it from Reeee, but here 'ya go:
[PC/SERIES X]
[PS5]
[PC/SERIES]
[PS5]
I think this is an HDR problem?
Division 2 had the same problem with lighting on PS5. It was patched few days later, though.
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Mr Moose
Member
It's dynamic res, it will be higher when looking at the sky.
We don't know the average resolution and if the Series X has higher settings why is the AF lower? What settings are higher?
papersleeves
Member
At first glance, I'd be tempted to say that when taking into consideration the fact that high fps modes tend to be better on PS5 and that the PS5 in general seems to suffer less from cpu bottleneck, I feel like the Series X has better resolutions all around due to the fact that lowering it would probably not erase most slowdowns in games where the FPS struggles to hit 60.
But then we had a case with AC Valhalla where they diminished the lower bound for the dynamic resolution scaling on Series X and it paid off, now being the version with the most stable framerate.
You have to wonder which games would or wouldn't benefit from it...Hmmmm.
But then we had a case with AC Valhalla where they diminished the lower bound for the dynamic resolution scaling on Series X and it paid off, now being the version with the most stable framerate.
You have to wonder which games would or wouldn't benefit from it...Hmmmm.
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pasterpl
Member
I am just looking at the data we have, not assumptions
[VGTech] Outriders PS5 and Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Test (Demo)
We left this open overnight in the hope some actual conversation would take place, it's clear that this is not the intention of the thread. Instead of expending effort reply banning the usual culprits, we're just going to start closing these. We're not posting these video's just for a childish...
look at screenshots in this post
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/df-o...series-s-vs-xbox-one-x.1594724/post-262611011
Luipadre
Member
Higher resolutions with VRR are the way forward and things will get better and better as the RDNA2 features gear up, you can see they are even taking stuff like physics out of flags on PS5 in an attempt to keep up but still 1260p
I cant tell if these posts are serious or not.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Dunno; "lighter" in tone meaning lower contrast/saturation and higher brightness settings? That could be the case but this would be a weird exception since it's usually been Series X version of multiplats with that "issue" (I don't think it's always a negative tbh).Because the PS5 version is lighter in tone in comparison to the XSX version. So far, I haven't seen lower environmental detail/objects.
It could be the case the screenshots I linked are just for some locations and not all. But there's the mentioning of worst cloth physics and lighting on the PS5 version, at least enough to warrant being mentioned. At the same time PS5 version seems to have less frequent frame drops FWIW.
DF have noted slight frame drops on PS5, it's just less frequent than the framedrops on Series X and S (not sure what range the frames drop to on PS5 however).
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Mr Moose
Member
PC screenshots.
muteZX
Banned
I am just looking at the data we have, not assumptions
[VGTech] Outriders PS5 and Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Test (Demo)
We left this open overnight in the hope some actual conversation would take place, it's clear that this is not the intention of the thread. Instead of expending effort reply banning the usual culprits, we're just going to start closing these. We're not posting these video's just for a childish...www.neogaf.com
look at screenshots in this post
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/df-o...series-s-vs-xbox-one-x.1594724/post-262611011
You cant tell real avg framerate if it is locked at 60 fps max !!
I drive the car evenly at a speed of 59 to 69 km / h. So my average speed is 64kmh. However, my speedometer can only measure a maximum speed of 60kmh. From his point of view, I drove at an average speed of 59.5kmh. And that, of course, is wrong.
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FatKingBallman
Banned
I am just looking at the data we have, not assumptions
[VGTech] Outriders PS5 and Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Test (Demo)
We left this open overnight in the hope some actual conversation would take place, it's clear that this is not the intention of the thread. Instead of expending effort reply banning the usual culprits, we're just going to start closing these. We're not posting these video's just for a childish...
look at screenshots in this post
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/df-o...series-s-vs-xbox-one-x.1594724/post-262611011
Division 2 had the same problem on PS5 with lighting and volumetric. Later was patched.
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
That was clearly not one part of the game. The FPS also dropped in other areas and the XSX version has a lot of micro stutters. Comparing a single object that has a physics bug with a game wide issue...
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Physiognomonics
Member
No. from 9% to 30% resolution difference according to VGTech. But what we should look at is the average resolution difference. PS5 seems to be capped at 1800p maybe because of the Pro game.
The game is running at 60fps for 99.91% of the time on PS5, 94.14% on XSX, that's already 6% higher on PS5 but it should actually be higher on PS5 has the PS5 must be running at quite higher than 60fps to be almost locked.
The game on XSX won't magically run at 6% higher framerate if you reduced the res by 6%. It doesn't work like this because the drops are often caused by several causes, not only resolution.
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papersleeves
Member
Mind showing those spots? I haven't completed Hitman 3 yet, but I've completed all maps from Hitman 2016 and half of Hitman 2 in Hitman 3 and I've yet to spot any framepacing / micro stutter issue nor fps drops.
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Exanthus
Banned
Hmmm that isn't what I have seen but okay.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Its not because of the PRO version? Where did you get that? It’s not a back compat game
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
Yes here we can see, the seriex x is trying to have both res and framerate, but isn't powerful enough to take bothIn an independent study, scientists put more pixels in one dog bowl and more frames in the other.
The results were surprising...
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Works both way though, ps5 is meant to be super easy to develop for so will also be times where its acceptable on ps5 after short time and more time needed on xbox versions.
We have to remember also id imagine a lot of devs are working from home and this is limiting the start to this gen somewhat.
Lots of games are still designed with old consoles in mind and not having the time they usually would under normal circumstances spent on them.
When they do we will really see what these machines can do.
thelastword
Banned
VRS does give an FPS boost to Series X, just that it's still a mad framedropper.....I can only imagine what the framerate would be without VRS on XBOX?
Shudders....
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Iced Arcade
Member
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Damn thats blurry on xbox, looks like the only way then can push a higher res is with worse textures....How about this from VGtech?
Seems like gimped graphics (HW VRS is the suspect). Source: @Lysandros
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Its adds even more insult to injury.... whats the point in a higher res only to look at a blurry soup.
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Die Namek Ability
Member
I would say its pretty much a tie minus the one off things. If you lower the res on XsX you will most likely get 60 FPS and if you increase res on PS5 you will most likely get 55ish FPS. I dont get all the chest beating one way or the other.
Caio
Member
The delusion is out of this world. The PS5 drops to 1440p in order to maintain those 60 fps, and you think it would perform only slightly worse at 2x more resolution?
???
XSX lowest is 1440p, dipping regulary to 55FPS, PS5 lowest is 1260p, holding 60FPS without issue.
By the way I don't care about this Game, but if you ask me, maybe holding 60fps without issue is better. Which one shows better performance, I have no idea. PS5 have also more samples for motion blur, producing clearer IQ in motion and better AF too. It looks like MS want higher RES at any cost while Sony ask for a more balanced game experience ?
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You can see the drops on the VGtech video.It drops to 57, 59, but not as bad as the XSX of course.
I agree here, solid framerate is always more important.