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Let's Address The Elephant In The Room. Switch OLED is ONLY $50 cheaper than a PS5

no, but I remember this:
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Ironically no one wanted the system at that price.
But, Sony was STILL selling the console at a loss. In hindsight, it was stupid to go with such a complicated design.

This is different. Nintendo was already making a profit 4 years ago on Switch hardware. Those parts are even cheaper now, yet the price is going up.

I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same if I could, but it's fair to expect people to complain.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

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Total play time with the system does not justify the pricing. The last Nintendo console that actually worth it with Pricing in my opinion was the Gamecube.
that is if you only consider hardware specifications as a meaningful way to determine a console's worth.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

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I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same if I could, but it's fair to expect people to complain.
I understand that people are disappointed that this is just a marginal upgrade, but I expected it to be in this price scheme. I mean, does it really make sense for a company to reduce the asking price if the product is selling very well regardless? Obviously, the price of the base model will stay the same and the "premium model" will be priced a little higher. It makes sense economically.
Nintendo reduced the price of the 3DS near launch because it bombed. They had a reason to reduce the price. It helped to make the 3DS a success in the long run. With the Switch though, there is literally no reason to do that.
 
Based on raw compute? Because the Wii was a great console.
The Wii was a ok console it was barely stonger then the original Xbox. Like i was saying before the Gamecube was the last great Nintendo console when it comes to Pricing and Performance Power, after that it all change and they start making console that are overpriced and weak specs.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

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I consider everything pricing, specs and competitor pricing. The exclusive games are a different discussion.
You also need to consider perceived value. Also, why shouldn't exclusive games matter here? I mean sure, consoles these days usually have a lot of multimedia features, but I'd say the main reason to buy them are still the games, meaning when a platform has good exclusives that will increase the value of said platform.
 
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FStubbs

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The Wii was a ok console it was barely stonger then the original Xbox. Like i was saying before the Gamecube was the last great Nintendo console when it comes to Pricing and Performance Power, after that it all change and they start making console that are overpriced and weak specs.
Define performance power. The Wii had the Wiimote, so the controllers on the Wii were more advanced.
 
It's weaker, but it's exclusives make it worth buying.

Switch is a better buy than either the Xbox or ps5. Consoles are weak anyway, might as well get a ton of great exclusives.
And what are the of TONS exclusives?

From that TOP 100 alone I count like 16 games exclusive to Switch. And it's not like each and everyone of of them have to be everyone's cup of tea even if they are "good/great games". I'll bump it up to 20 games, since I guess there must be a few missing from the top 100. Is that it?

 
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SpongebobSquaredance

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From that TOP 100 alone I count like 16 games exclusive to Switch. And it's not like each and everyone of of them have to be everyone's cup of tea even if they are "good/great games". 16 games. Is that it?
Some of the multiplatform games like Hades, Axiom Verge, and Ori are very nice to play on a handheld, the portability works well here. Having a good-sized amount of games on a dedicated handheld is definitely nice to have, so with the exception of the most elite of Nintendo players, I believe most customers have a fair share of third-party games as well.

So does the PS4 have way more exclusives...?

According to the same method, it doesn't.
 
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FStubbs

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That a feature not performance power. The performance power is the CPU and GPU of the system not the controller.
So even if we use that narrow definition (which btw was not what the Wii was all about, it was about the Wiimotes), it's still meaningless. Aren't we seeing the PS5 with its weaker CPU and GPU beating the Series X pretty consistently?

The Wii was worth the money and the market proved it. Looking at consoles based on whatever CPU and GPU is packed in to determine value is the wrong approach.

EDIT: And while I'm at it, you can't dismiss the controllers. The controllers were clearly "spec-wise" more advanced.
 
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So even if we use that narrow definition (which btw was not what the Wii was all about, it was about the Wiimotes), it's still meaningless. Aren't we seeing the PS5 with its weaker CPU and GPU beating the Series X pretty consistently?

The Wii was worth the money and the market proved it. Looking at consoles based on whatever CPU and GPU is packed in to determine value is the wrong approach.

EDIT: And while I'm at it, you can't dismiss the controllers. The controllers were clearly "spec-wise" more advanced.
It depends on the game it goes back and forth. No The controllers are not in the performance discussion it does nothing to render the graphics or framerate of the games. The motion control or gyro controls are just a feature has nothing to do with performance.
 
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I was always an Xbox and ps guy but recently bought a switch , honestly was absolutely shocked how fucking shit the hardware was , no Bluetooth , absolute dogshit lcd screen , I have a galaxy s21 and that screen looks like a million years ahead in technology, garbage speakers , useless stand. Nintendo are literally ripping people off, the Margins on this would be insane .
 

FStubbs

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Yes but that guy is saying it has to do with performance lol
It absolutely does. Golf games on PS3/360 performed differently than the Wii because of the Wii controllers.

I'm just not limiting "performance" or, if you will, value, to TFLOPS - which I might repeat aren't even a good measure of what you'll actually get.

Let's take your logic to its ultimate conclusion:

The Ouya was a better gaming platform than the 3DS because it beat the CPU and GPU on a spec sheet.

The Phillips Cd-i was superior to the Sega Genesis because it beat the CPU and GPU on a spec sheet.
 
But PS4 only has one game

Which one is that? Spider-Man, Returnal, Ratchet, Astro, Sackboy, Valhalla, RE8, The Pathless, Demon's Souls, Godfall, Destruction All-Stars or something else?

Wait. It's Bugsnax, isn't it?
 
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It absolutely does. Golf games on PS3/360 performed differently than the Wii because of the Wii controllers.

I'm just not limiting "performance" or, if you will, value, to TFLOPS - which I might repeat aren't even a good measure of what you'll actually get.

Let's take your logic to its ultimate conclusion:

The Ouya was a better gaming platform than the 3DS because it beat the CPU and GPU on a spec sheet.

The Phillips Cd-i was superior to the Sega Genesis because it beat the CPU and GPU on a spec sheet.
Stop going off the subject we going all the way back to the Sega Genesis now? Come now it not that simple your comparing off brand gaming console that flops and is dead like Ouya and Phillips Cd-i like really wtf. It really won't hurt if Nintendo put some effort into their hardware specs and make a better console Zelda and Mario would benefit greatly, plus the price would be justify if they did actually improve the specs instead of just releasing a revision that see no specs change what so ever and charging more than a next gen console for it.
 
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93xfan

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Regardless of what people say, it’s still a disappointing price. Just like the price of their software staying $60 for older community dependent games like Mario Tennis and Splatoon 2. And $60 Metroid that doesn’t even look half as good as other Metroidvanias on the switch.
 

FStubbs

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Stop going off the subject we going all the way back to the Sega Genesis now? Come now it not that simple your comparing off brand gaming console that flops and is dead like Ouya and Phillips Cd-i like really wtf. It really won't hurt if Nintendo put some effort into their hardware specs and make a better console Zelda and Mario would benefit greatly, plus the price would be justify if they did actually improve the specs instead of just releasing a revision that see no specs change what so ever and charging more than a next gen console for it.
It's a perfectly fair comparison. I can go all the way back to the Adam being better value/performance than the 2600 because of better CPU/GPU if you want me to continue using your logic. Those are perfectly legitimate analogies.

The Wii U and Vita were flops too but they can also be part of the discussion. The fact that you admit the flops above proves that you understand that CPU/GPU "specs" (because again, PS5's CPU/GPU specs are inferior to the Series X but we can plainly see the PS5 is better in that regard anyway) don't determine the value of a console. The market determined that these consoles, despite their specs (both were #1 in their category CPU/GPU wise upon release), did not have sufficient value - their performance as gaming machines was lacking. The market determined that the value and gaming performance the Wii and Switch offer are good value.

For what it's worth,the Switch was top line CPU and GPU wise for a consumer gaming device in 2017. A hypothetical Vita 2 would have been in a similar power bracket if it released in 2017. As far as the price goes, mobile costs more. It's a feature with value that is reflected in the price. Let me know when I can play my PS5 with nothing attached on a plane like I played local co-op Mario Kart on my Switch in a plane.

For the record, I actually *can* play Scarlet Nexus on a plane with my laptop - at 1080p and 60fps (I might even be able to get more fps if I wanted, because my laptop's GPU laughs at that game). That laptop costs a lot more than the MSRP of a PS5 though, because portability and the general purpose nature of the laptop costs, but those are values I'm paying for, even if the PS5 has a better GPU in the end. (Definitely doesn't have a better CPU).
 
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nintendo make amazing software but man, does their hardware suck! their own hardware literally holds back their software. imagine the qaulity they could produce if they had hardware as powerful as PS5/XSX. imagine a zelda game being built for those consoles!
 

KAL2006

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Prices isn't judged on margins and profit. Prices are judged on marketing and how much a customer is willing to pay. As Switch is selling out to this day it seems Nintendo priced their system well. They can release a Wii port for full price. A limited time only Mario ROM collection. Nintendo fans don't mind paying and are willing to pay these prices. So Nintendo will charge what price they thing they can make a decent profit while system selling great.
 
It's a perfectly fair comparison. I can go all the way back to the Adam being better value/performance than the 2600 because of better CPU/GPU if you want me to continue using your logic. Those are perfectly legitimate analogies.

The Wii U and Vita were flops too but they can also be part of the discussion. The fact that you admit the flops above proves that you understand that CPU/GPU "specs" (because again, PS5's CPU/GPU specs are inferior to the Series X but we can plainly see the PS5 is better in that regard anyway) don't determine the value of a console. The market determined that these consoles, despite their specs (both were #1 in their category CPU/GPU wise upon release), did not have sufficient value - their performance as gaming machines was lacking. The market determined that the value and gaming performance the Wii and Switch offer are good value.

For what it's worth,the Switch was top line CPU and GPU wise for a consumer gaming device in 2017. A hypothetical Vita 2 would have been in a similar power bracket if it released in 2017. As far as the price goes, mobile costs more. It's a feature with value that is reflected in the price. Let me know when I can play my PS5 with nothing attached on a plane like I played local co-op Mario Kart on my Switch in a plane.

For the record, I actually *can* play Scarlet Nexus on a plane with my laptop - at 1080p and 60fps (I might even be able to get more fps if I wanted, because my laptop's GPU laughs at that game). That laptop costs a lot more than the MSRP of a PS5 though, because portability and the general purpose nature of the laptop costs, but those are values I'm paying for, even if the PS5 has a better GPU in the end. (Definitely doesn't have a better CPU).
You are seriously trying to justify this? the Switch does not even have like half the power of the Original Xbox one from 2013 so please stop trying to Bring the Series X or PS5 specs vs each other into this argument, that is not a good look for you. Fact are it very underpowered yet are price sky high anyone that does not see a problem with that is clouded and is ok with getting rip off to be honest. It really a slap in the face when they Revealed this OLED Switch with zero specs improvement to the CPU or GPU or RAM yet charged it more than literally a next gen console.
 
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MagnesG

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You are seriously trying to justify this? the Switch does not even have like half the power of the Original Xbox one from 2013 so please stop trying to Bring the Series X or PS5 specs vs each other into this argument, that is not a good look for you. Fact are it very underpowered yet are price sky high anyone that does not see a problem with that is clouded and is ok with getting rip off to be honest. It really a slap in the face when they Revealed this OLED Switch with zero specs improvement to the CPU or GPU or RAM yet charged it more than literally a next gen console.
Subsidized.
 

Corgi1985

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It's weaker, but it's exclusives make it worth buying.

Switch is a better buy than either the Xbox or ps5. Consoles are weak anyway, might as well get a ton of great exclusives.
No console with pokemon sword and mario golf super rushed can be described has having passable exclusives, let alone "Great ones". Where are they? Three houses was a shit strategy game until an actual difficulty was released months after launch and BotW runs like absolute garbage.
 
A Galaxy S21 also costs more than twice as much as a Switch.
Yes but hardware wise even though it's like twice the price it's so much better
A+ camera
Phone
Play store
Bluetooth
OLED
Great speakers
Netflix
Wireless charging
Much better CPU GPU and ram
U can justify a ps5 , series x and even a galaxy phone but hardware wise Nintendo is simply ripping people off
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

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Yes but hardware wise even though it's like twice the price it's so much better
A+ camera
Phone
Play store
Bluetooth
OLED
Great speakers
Netflix
Wireless charging
Much better CPU GPU and ram
U can justify a ps5 , series x and even a galaxy phone but hardware wise Nintendo is simply ripping people off
...I mean obviously, it's better at twice the price. Would be sad if it wasn't.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

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No console with pokemon sword and mario golf super rushed can be described has having passable exclusives, let alone "Great ones". Where are they? Three houses was a shit strategy game until an actual difficulty was released months after launch and BotW runs like absolute garbage.
2 games don't make up an entire library.

I could also say "no console with Knack and The Order 1886 can be described as having passable exclusives, let alone "great ones""

I mean come one, you gotta try a little harder than that.
 
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sunnysideup

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The best thing about this thing. Its exclusively made for the most ardent nintendo fans.

Its not a mass market product for kids and families. Its 100% made to rip of grown up nintendo fans.
 

Dream-Knife

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No console with pokemon sword and mario golf super rushed can be described has having passable exclusives, let alone "Great ones". Where are they? Three houses was a shit strategy game until an actual difficulty was released months after launch and BotW runs like absolute garbage.
BOTW has slow down in some areas yes, but that doesn't prevent it from being a great game.

Xenoblade 1 and 2, Splatoon, Mario Kart, Smash, Odyssey, DKCTF, etc

PS5 has...Demon Souls, returnal and Ratchet.

Xbox Series has.... Halo and Forza this fall?

Where nintendo falls a part is third party games, so yeah I'd recommend having some thing else with a switch. Switch still has a better library.

And what are the of TONS exclusives?

From that TOP 100 alone I count like 16 games exclusive to Switch. And it's not like each and everyone of of them have to be everyone's cup of tea even if they are "good/great games". I'll bump it up to 20 games, since I guess there must be a few missing from the top 100. Is that it?


And how many exclusives for PS5 or Series X are there?
 
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And how many exclusives for PS5 or Series X are there?
Is that the comparison you wanna make, 7 month old consoles versus a 4.5 years old one? Still, the new gen consoles are backwards compatible with thousands of games, and hundreds of them including many major big titles are not on Switch. And going forward is only going to get better for the new consoles. I appreciate you recognized there's only some 20 games exclusive to Switch worth talking about. I wonder how many of those the average Switch user on this forum owns...
 
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