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[GreatnessRD]

About $630 USD, I'd say that isn't bad. About the cost of a "high-end" AIB partner model if talking OG MSRP. At least you didn't pay over 1K like a ton of psychopaths did for even the non Ti version of the 3070. They're gonna hate themselves in two years guaranteed.

 

[Black_Stride]

A 10400F will age horribly, is on a platform with an outdated feature-set and the upgrade path options aren't great.

If OP must skimp then the 5600X is all he should consider.

You say all that as if you have an "actual" upgrade path for the 5600X.
By the time 6 high IPC cores arent enough both these CPUs will be "outdated".
And its not like 10850Ks arent a thing.

For a gaming build the 10 series and lower end 11 series are bang for buck kings.

Unless PCIE4 suddenly becomes a must have feature what does the 5600X do that justifies that increased price over the 10400F/11400F and 11600.

Remember that the 5600X is almost twice the price of a 11400/10400 and performs similar in many cases.

 

[ChrisB]

For my gaming hardware , I always like to divide the total cost by 36 (3 years) see what type of monthly value. So to me that price is worth it and consider after 3-4 years you should still be able to sell that for +\- $200.00.
15 per month is netflix money and I get more entertainment for PC gaming than netflix just a personal opinion.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

This would be the FE model, apparently they have 3080Ti's on Scan as well. Big drop happened.

That price is MSRP as well if it were the FE models.

 

[KAL2006]

Yes I'd like a good upgrade path, preferably where I don't need to change a whole motherboard in the next 5 years. I probably wouldn't bother to upgrade until the next generation PS6 comes out. Surely 3070Ti should last me for the whole generation right? Especially if I'm playing at 1440p and I can lower settings and use DLLS as games get more demanding.

 

[Mister Wolf]

In a choice between resolution and framerate you chose both. I congratulate and welcome you to the club.

 

[KAL2006]

This would be the FE model, apparently they have 3080Ti's on Scan as well. Big drop happened.

That price is MSRP as well if it were the FE models.

I don't know the difference with what FE model means but yes I picked it up from Scan it was the FE model. I could have picked up a 3080Ti but that's over £1k way too much for me to spend. Would have actually got a 3060Ti but that sold out within seconds.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Props to buying a GPU with no PC to put it in I guess.

The world is in PEAK madness.

 

[KAL2006]

Props to buying a GPU with no PC to put it in I guess.

The world is in PEAK madness.

I guess it's madness to buy the most hardest to get component in a PC to start from there when making a PC build. I guess it would have been better if I bought the other components and searched for a GPU while sitting with other PC parts for months right?

 

[DenchDeckard]

I guess it's madness to buy the most hardest to get component in a PC to start from there when making a PC build. I guess it would have been better if I bought the other components and searched for a GPU while sitting with other PC parts for months right?

I'm only playing.

Didn't mean to come across too harsh, if you are genuinely wanting to buy a PC and not just buying it thinking you may buy some parts.

Wait a few more weeks for intel 12th gen and see how it plays out. I would stick to DDR4 for now though as DDR5 is gonna have a crazy premium tax added to it for months.

 

[nightmare-slain]

No but been thinking of joining the PC masterace for a while now but wasn't so sure due to overpriced GPUs. How much do you think the rest of the components will cost just what a good idea how much to build a full pc is

to build a PC to go with your GPU you're talking about £700-800 for a basic system. if you want good parts to match the performance of the GPU so it won't bottleneck then will be much more.

i actually calculated the cost of my entire PC today and if i remove the cost of my GPU then i paid ~£2,300 for the rest of my PC. that's the monitor, keyboard/mouse,speakers, case, motherboard, cpu, cpu cooler, ram, ssds, powersupply, and some extra fans.

 

[KAL2006]

to build a PC to go with your GPU you're talking about £700-800 for a basic system. if you want good parts to match the performance of the GPU so it won't bottleneck then will be much more.

i actually calculated the cost of my entire PC today and if i remove the cost of my GPU then i paid ~£2,300 for the rest of my PC. that's the monitor, keyboard/mouse,speakers, case, motherboard, cpu, cpu cooler, ram, ssds, powersupply, and some extra fans.

Without incldiign monitor, and keyboard and mouse how much would it cost for a more balanced system that don't bottleneck my GPU. I've seen prebuilts with 3070 in the past for £1200 surely my total build should be under that right?

 

[GHG]

Yes I'd like a good upgrade path, preferably where I don't need to change a whole motherboard in the next 5 years. I probably wouldn't bother to upgrade until the next generation PS6 comes out. Surely 3070Ti should last me for the whole generation right? Especially if I'm playing at 1440p and I can lower settings and use DLLS as games get more demanding.

A good b550 motherboard with a 5800X would be my recommendation. That paired with the 3070ti should last you the whole gen at 1440p.

You say all that as if you have an "actual" upgrade path for the 5600X.
By the time 6 high IPC cores arent enough both these CPUs will be "outdated".
And its not like 10850Ks arent a thing.

For a gaming build the 10 series and lower end 11 series are bang for buck kings.

Unless PCIE4 suddenly becomes a must have feature what does the 5600X do that justifies that increased price over the 10400F/11400F and 11600.

Remember that the 5600X is almost twice the price of a 11400/10400 and performs similar in many cases.

I hate this kind of advice with a passion... The reason being is that I took this advice and lived it. I bought a 3570k instead of a 3770k/3820 and within 3 years I was being met with CPU bottlenecks and games that I struggled to maintain 60fps without stutters/hitches because of the frametimes were all over the place. When I upgraded to a 980ti it only got worse. Had to OC the shit out of it in order to keep it going.

Advising someone to unnecessarily get the bare minimum (when they have the budget to get something that will comfortably serve them well for much longer) is the most shortsighted thing you can do in the PC building space. It also greatly reduces the utility the PC has outside of gaming.

It's better to have an immediate upgrade path up to 16 cores/32 threads than it isn't. It's better to be able to take advantage of PCIe 4 than it isn't. There are no downsides to building a new PC on a x570 or b550 platform at the moment while the same cannot be said for Z490.

 

[hlm666]

Without incldiign monitor, and keyboard and mouse how much would it cost for a more balanced system that don't bottleneck my GPU. I've seen prebuilts with 3070 in the past for £1200 surely my total build should be under that right?

Shouldn't be hard, 5600x, mobo, 16gb ram, 750 watt psu, case cpu cooler (you said you had an ssd already I think). Should be able to pull that off with 700gbp with probably enough spare to go with 32gb ram.

Edit: Black_Stride is actually way on point more than me here, intel is totally something to be looking at here and it makes memory specs less important

 

[nightmare-slain]

Without incldiign monitor, and keyboard and mouse how much would it cost for a more balanced system that don't bottleneck my GPU. I've seen prebuilts with 3070 in the past for £1200 surely my total build should be under that right?

it's not too easy to give an exact answer. you need to know what resolution and framerate you're gonna be playing at. a 3070 Ti is probably a card that is aimed at 4K 30-60fps or 1440p 60-144fps.

if you're playing at 4K then the thing that holds you back the most is GPU power so your CPU isn't really that important. if you're playing at 1440p 144fps then you'll need good GPU power but also a fast CPU to keep up with all those frames.

if you only want to play at 4K 30-60fps then i'd recommend at a minimum: an Intel i7-8700, Intel i7-9700K, Intel i5-10400, or AMD Ryzen 5 3500. i pick these because they're 6 core CPUs with hyper threading or have 8 cores (with no HT). for gaming i wouldn't go below 6c/12t or 8c/8t. also you don't want to go below Intel 8th gen or AMD 3000 because Windows 11 support is patchy or non existant.

if you are playing at high refresh rates then i recommend at a minimum: intel i7-8700K, intel i9-9900K, intel i5-10600K, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X or AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. you want a fast 6-8 core CPU with HT and some overclocking potential.

the rest of your system isn't really a probably. RAM is RAM but you wouldn't want to go below 16GB at 3200MHz. 16GB is still fine today for gaming but if you can fit in 32GB then go for it. i think the highest speed you should get is something like 3600-3700MHz. you can go higher but there are diminishing returns. also, memory speeds are more important if you pick an AMD cpu. they like fast memory and there are more compatability issues so you need to be more picky when getting RAM for AMD.

as for SSD you can't go wrong as long as you make sure it's an NVME drive (slots into your motherboard instead of using a cable). ideally you'd want one with at least ~3GB/s. a PS5 can do 5.5GB/s for example but on PC you can go up to ~7.4GB/s. SSD speed will become more important in the next couple years so the faster you can get the better

PSU is quite easy. there are calculators out there that will tell you how much power you need once you've picked your parts. right now a 750W PSU is probably the most common. your GPU is the part the sucks the most power. if you have a really beefy system then 1000W. make sure it's a good brand. there a list of all the best brands out there (you can find it if you need it). EVGA or Seasonic is always a safe bet. Corsair are good too.

everything else is just preference really. get a case you like the look of (but make sure it's compatible with your motherboard/psu/cpu cooler/gpu). if your CPU doesn't come with a cooler you'll need to buy one (make sure it will fit in your case). buy a keyboard/mouse you think looks cool. get speakers and a display.

TL;DR i reckon you're looking at about £900 for a system with a 5600X, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, motherboard, case, CPU cooler, and PSU. NOT including monitor, keyboard/mouse, speakers, etc.

 

[Black_Stride]

I hate this kind of advice with a passion... The reason being is that I took this advice and lived it. I bought a 3570k instead of a 3770k/3820 and within 3 years I was being met with CPU bottlenecks and games that I struggled to maintain 60fps without stutters/hitches because of the frametimes were all over the place. When I upgraded to a 980ti it only got worse. Had to OC the shit out of it in order to keep it going.

Advising someone to unnecessarily get the bare minimum (when they have the budget to get something that will comfortably serve them well for much longer) is the most shortsighted thing you can do in the PC building space. It also greatly reduces the utility the PC has outside of gaming.

It's better to have an immediate upgrade path up to 16 cores/32 threads than it isn't. It's better to be able to take advantage of PCIe 4 than it isn't. There are no downsides to building a new PC on a x570 or b550 platform at the moment while the same cannot be said for Z490.

The thing is the "bare minimum" is literally within 5% of the the 5600X and yes maybe 16+ threads are gonna be needed down the line one day who knows when, but you'd have upgraded to DDR5/PCIE5 anyway as those are gonna be the standard within 3 years.
We arent talking about choosing i3s or Pentiums....Core i5s for a purely gaming rig are just as viable as the 5600X.

The 10400/11400 and 600s perform similar to 5600Xs.
Look at their IPC scores and why exactly are you paying double the price.
When the 400s are bottlenecks....the 5600X will also be a bottleneck.

Both chips dont have a proper upgrade path outside of jumping on their bigger brothers.
At which point assuming you went for a 10 series, the 10850K is a totally viable solution.

There are no tangible advantages while you are gonna be spending almost double for the chip that does effectively the same shit.

Your 3000K series analogy doesnt really hold weight because of the shift towards more cores and hyperthreading.
But today almost all "mainstream" CPUs are 6 - 8core and all have hyperthreading and are literally within spitting difference of each other.
Paying for the sake of paying isnt cost effective....obviously if you can splurge then splurge.....but you wont be gaining anything worth while for the price you are paying.

Tis basically my point.
The entry level gaming PC (6 cores) assuming paired with similar GPU/Memory will perform the same as if you went out and got an i9 or 5900X.
CPUs have basically plateued right now....entry level and i9/r9s do the same shit in most games.
Especially if you are playing at 1440p with an RTX 3070.

 

[KAL2006]

it's not too easy to give an exact answer. you need to know what resolution and framerate you're gonna be playing at. a 3070 Ti is probably a card that is aimed at 4K 30-60fps or 1440p 60-144fps.

if you're playing at 4K then the thing that holds you back the most is GPU power so your CPU isn't really that important. if you're playing at 1440p 144fps then you'll need good GPU power but also a fast CPU to keep up with all those frames.

if you only want to play at 4K 30-60fps then i'd recommend at a minimum: an Intel i7-8700, Intel i7-9700K, Intel i5-10400, or AMD Ryzen 5 3500. i pick these because they're 6 core CPUs with hyper threading or have 8 cores (with no HT). for gaming i wouldn't go below 6c/12t or 8c/8t. also you don't want to go below Intel 8th gen or AMD 3000 because Windows 11 support is patchy or non existant.

if you are playing at high refresh rates then i recommend at a minimum: intel i7-8700K, intel i9-9900K, intel i5-10600K, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X or AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. you want a fast 6-8 core CPU with HT and some overclocking potential.

the rest of your system isn't really a probably. RAM is RAM but you wouldn't want to go below 16GB at 3200MHz. 16GB is still fine today for gaming but if you can fit in 32GB then go for it. i think the highest speed you should get is something like 3600-3700MHz. you can go higher but there are diminishing returns. also, memory speeds are more important if you pick an AMD cpu. they like fast memory and there are more compatability issues so you need to be more picky when getting RAM for AMD.

as for SSD you can't go wrong as long as you make sure it's an NVME drive (slots into your motherboard instead of using a cable). ideally you'd want one with at least ~3GB/s. a PS5 can do 5.5GB/s for example but on PC you can go up to ~7.4GB/s. SSD speed will become more important in the next couple years so the faster you can get the better

PSU is quite easy. there are calculators out there that will tell you how much power you need once you've picked your parts. right now a 750W PSU is probably the most common. your GPU is the part the sucks the most power. if you have a really beefy system then 1000W. make sure it's a good brand. there a list of all the best brands out there (you can find it if you need it). EVGA or Seasonic is always a safe bet. Corsair are good too.

everything else is just preference really. get a case you like the look of (but make sure it's compatible with your motherboard/psu/cpu cooler/gpu). if your CPU doesn't come with a cooler you'll need to buy one (make sure it will fit in your case). buy a keyboard/mouse you think looks cool. get speakers and a display.

TL;DR i reckon you're looking at about £900 for a system with a 5600X, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, motherboard, case, CPU cooler, and PSU. NOT including monitor, keyboard/mouse, speakers, etc.

Thanks for the replies everyone one. Yes I won't cheap out too much to ensure system is balanced. As for framerates you talking about over FPS is crazy I'm a console peasant and 60fps is enough. I understand with mouse framerate helps alot but I'd be playing with a controller and mainly playing singleplayer games and not competitive games.

One last question on a PC can I put the system to sleep and continue where I left off similar to a PS5. If so putting a PC to sleep would it consume alot of power while in sleep mode.

 

[GHG]

K KAL2006

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nymdsX

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (£339.99 @ AWD-IT)

Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£119.99 @ AWD-IT)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£74.98 @ Box Limited)

Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£67.98 @ Amazon UK)

Case: Corsair SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£54.99 @ Amazon UK)

Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£78.99 @ Corsair UK)

Total: £736.92


You should be good to go with that.

The thing is the "bare minimum" is literally within 5% of the the 5600X and yes maybe 16+ threads are gonna be needed down the line one day who knows when, but you'd have upgraded to DDR5/PCIE5 anyway as those are gonna be the standard within 3 years.
We arent talking about choosing i3s or Pentiums....Core i5s for a purely gaming rig are just as viable as the 5600X.

The 10400/11400 and 600s perform similar to 5600Xs.
Look at their IPC scores and why exactly are you paying double the price.
When the 400s are bottlenecks....the 5600X will also be a bottleneck.

Both chips dont have a proper upgrade path outside of jumping on their bigger brothers.
At which point assuming you went for a 10 series, the 10850K is a totally viable solution.

There are no tangible advantages while you are gonna be spending almost double for the chip that does effectively the same shit.

Your 3000K series analogy doesnt really hold weight because of the shift towards more cores and hyperthreading.
But today almost all "mainstream" CPUs are 6 - 8core and all have hyperthreading and are literally within spitting difference of each other.
Paying for the sake of paying isnt cost effective....obviously if you can splurge then splurge.....but you wont be gaining anything worth while for the price you are paying.

Tis basically my point.
The entry level gaming PC (6 cores) assuming paired with similar GPU/Memory will perform the same as if you went out and got an i9 or 5900X.
CPUs have basically plateued right now....entry level and i9/r9s do the same shit in most games.
Especially if you are playing at 1440p with an RTX 3070.

Most people don't want to have to bother with a whole motherboard/CPU/RAM upgrade just because they might need a better CPU. I know intel has trained people into thinking this is the norm but now that AMD are competitive it's not at all necessary.

It's a moot point to discuss a bottom of the barrel Intel build when the OP comfortably has budget to get a good AMD system that will not only be better than that Intel build today but it will also serve him well into the next generation.

 

[KAL2006]

K KAL2006

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nymdsX

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (£339.99 @ AWD-IT)

Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£119.99 @ AWD-IT)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£74.98 @ Box Limited)

Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£67.98 @ Amazon UK)

Case: Corsair SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£54.99 @ Amazon UK)

Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£78.99 @ Corsair UK)

Total: £736.92


You should be good to go with that.



Most people don't want to have to bother with a whole motherboard/CPU/RAM upgrade just because they might need a better CPU. I know intel has trained people into thinking this is the norm but now that AMD are competitive it's not at all necessary.

It's a moot point to discuss a bottom of the barrel Intel build when the OP comfortably has budget to get a good AMD system that will not only be better than that Intel build today but it will also serve him well into the next generation.

Hmm so based on those parts in combination with the GPU I paid for we looking at around

£1300

For a 3070Ti 5800X build

Based on a few months ago in comparison to PC pre builds they were going for £1200 for a 3070 with a 5600X. So it checks out quite well but I expected more savings building myself. I guess pre builds back then that I seen were good value.

 

[Rikkori]

That's a fucking great price dude!

 

[GHG]

Hmm do based on those parts in combination with the GPU I paid for we looking at around

£1300

For a 3070Ti 5800X build

Based on a few months ago in comparison to PC pre builds they were going for £1200 for a 3070 with a 5600X. So it checks out quite well but I expected more savings building myself. I guess pre builds back then that I seen were good value.

If you must you can drop the CPU down to the 5600X and your total will be closer to £1200 but you get the added bonus of getting the Ti version of the 3070 over the pre built system.

 

[KAL2006]

Is it worth waiting for Black Friday to pick up the other components, is it normal for PC parts to go on sale on Black Friday? As Black Friday isn't too far now I can wait.

 

[TrueLegend]

System Builder - Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core, 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower - PCPartPicker

Hre made this for You

General Rule

Case - Lasts long, Go for Airflow One.
Powersupply: Lasts Long, Must buy Reliable one. Don't Skim.
Storage: Lasts Long, Get SSD, Linus has a video about how for gaming it doesn't matter if you get SATA or M2. You wouldn't feel bad if your game loads 1 second longer. What you need is a lot of storage.

Motherboard: Don't matter what you get for gaming but motherboard with Wifi are rare.

CPU: GHG is right, You should get a CPU that can be a little bit futureproof.

Monitor: If you wanna play competitive shooter you should get a 1440p 144hz monitor. But if you wanna play story-driven games then get a 4K HDR monitor. People saying HDR below 100nits sucks are idiots. For monitors, 400 is good enough and much better than non-HDR monitors. For TV's you should aim for 800-1000. And 3070 can do 4K60 about 99% of games out there in Very High-Ultra setting. If you go for a 1440p monitor and want to play story-driven games check the VRR range which is not easily available on websites.
4K60 monitor has a VRR range of 40-60 which is great. You want the lowest VRR range at 50fps at minimum otherwise when you will lock your game at 60 things can get wonky due to various optimization issues on PC if you go for a 1440p monitor.

RAM: Get 16 gig. Latency doesn't matter in the big picture. You wouldn't hate your pc for being slow in milliseconds. Windows 11 is resource-hungry, you need ram. Always go for dual-channel for gaming.

Edit: Removed SATA as M2 with cheaper price and more storage was available.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

I don't know the difference with what FE model means but yes I picked it up from Scan it was the FE model. I could have picked up a 3080Ti but that's over £1k way too much for me to spend. Would have actually got a 3060Ti but that sold out within seconds.

Then you got a good deal because that's MSRP. 3060's are going rapid because people still mine a fair bit and it looks like ETH merge to POF from POW isn't happening for a while.


A friend of mine managed to get the 3080Ti from them as well.

Enjoy it and welcome to the 30XX club

 

[GHG]

Is it worth waiting for Black Friday to pick up the other components, is it normal for PC parts to go on sale on Black Friday? As Black Friday isn't too far now I can wait.

In the UK things like storage (so nvme SSD's) and sometimes RAM go on sale, but components like the latest CPU's and motherboards don't tend to.

No harm in waiting though tbh, you already have the part that's the most difficult bit to source.

 

[vdopey]

So earlier this year I saw ryzen 5950x's suddenly in stock in a few different retailers. I decided screw it time to upgrade.

So I built the system up - I got 64G RAM, 2x1tb nvme ssds, noctua cooler, corsair case (reused my psu and my gpu (rtx2080ti - it cost me my left nut so I didn't particularly feel like sacrificing my right one this time round)

I got it all built up and it started overheating in / around August time - I saw this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08C7QJC7G/?tag=neogaf0e-20 on sale (hydrox hard line water cooling kit) and figured you know what screw it lets do this.

so water cooling kit arrives great, turns out my corsair case (CORSAIR Crystal Series 680X) just doesn't have enough space to radiator mount the water cooling tank / pump - so I kind of found a way to have the pump/tank mounted in the back of the case (the cabling side the case is very wide not very tall) also me being a dumb ass decided to get a 240mm radiator as well except I got 1 which was twice as thick as the 320mm that the kit contained and oh my god are the fittings expensive and oh yeah to get the tubing to the rear of the case required ridiculous bends - ended up wasting all of the tubing with the kit and buying 3 more tubing packs btw this tubing: corsair hydro x satin 12mm tubing is complete ass - its pmma (acrylic) absolute nightmare to work with and remember I am a complete newbie to watercooling and tube bending (also being a dumbass I figured how hard could this be so I just decided to diy without any youtube vids - bad idea) - eventually managed to get the bends and everything done (just an fyi the 14mm version is very workable the 12mm is brittle ass but generally stay away from pmma / acrylic - I just liked the satin finish looks frosty - as ive said already im a dumbass) ) - but I noticed now the gpu is incredibly loud with fans blasting, so I figured screw it let me get another case so I can actually mount the extra 240mm radiator get a water block for the gpu etc and I've bought a new psu now as well (still waiting for that to arrive) - The first gpu block I got the gpu constantly throttles (not sure if my 2080ti is actually messed up or what, but also the block which is meant for my gpu had no back plate and requires use of the existing back plate but not everything aligns perfectly) I've ordered a new alphacool waterblock for the gpu which should arrive soon.

Anyway suffice to say I think that water cooling has probably added an extra 1.5 - 2 K I think all in I've spent over 3K on the PC.

Basically just be careful where your dumb-assery takes you -- it could be a very expensive road trip.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Yes I'd like a good upgrade path, preferably where I don't need to change a whole motherboard in the next 5 years. I probably wouldn't bother to upgrade until the next generation PS6 comes out. Surely 3070Ti should last me for the whole generation right? Especially if I'm playing at 1440p and I can lower settings and use DLLS as games get more demanding.

Performance wise the 3070 ti will last you the whole generation. What might become a concern is the 8GB of VRAM which could become a problem when developers start taking advantage of the whole 13 GB available on consoles. Of course the Series S only has 8 GB of RAM for games so you will always be able to run the games if you skimp a little on texture settings.

Yes, you should wait but not so much because of black friday as the discounts tend to be rather small, but because Alder Lake is here in just a few weeks. And if reviews are good and prices are ok I’d suggest you get an Intel 12400 or 12600.

The big question mark for me is SSD performance as we don’t yet know exactly what will be needed to last the generation. But since you already own an NVMe drive it’s not an issue since that will be more than enough for at least the next few years.

Concerning RAM 16 GB should be enough. If you do find a good deal on 32 GB get that instead, but it can also be upgraded at any point without much issue.

Be sure to use a site like PCPartPicker to make sure all your stuff is compatible.

 

[Bonfires Down]

double post

 

[KAL2006]

Performance wise the 3070 ti will last you the whole generation. What might become a concern is the 8GB of VRAM which could become a problem when developers start taking advantage of the whole 13 GB available on consoles. Of course the Series S only has 8 GB of RAM for games so you will always be able to run the games if you skimp a little on texture settings.

Yes, you should wait but not so much because of black friday as the discounts tend to be rather small, but because Alder Lake is here in just a few weeks. And if reviews are good and prices are ok I’d suggest you get an Intel 12400 or 12600.

The big question mark for me is SSD performance as we don’t yet know exactly what will be needed to last the generation. But since you already an NVMe drive it’s not an issue since that will be more than enough for at least the next few years.

Concerning RAM 16 GB should be enough. If you do find a good deal on 32 GB get that instead, but it can also be upgraded at any point without much issue.

Be sure to use a site like PCPartPicker to make sure all your stuff is compatible.

Hmm the 8GB issue could be a problem down the line, but couldn't I just simply sell the GPU and swap it out for a upgrade and be good with all the other parts on my PC. Let's say in 3 years time I realise 8GB is a bottleneck so I can simply sell that card off and by a 5070 or whatever it is in that time, I just don't want to be in a situation where I'd have to resce motherboard, ram, cooler and PSU.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Hmm the 8GB issue could be a problem down the line, but couldn't I just simply sell the GPU and swap it out for a upgrade and be good with all the other parts on my PC. Let's say in 3 years time I realise 8GB is a bottleneck so I can simply sell that card off and by a 5070 or whatever it is in that time, I just don't want to be in a situation where I'd have to resce motherboard, ram, cooler and PSU.

You absolutely could so if you don’t mind potentially upgrading the GPU mid-gen it’s not an issue.

 

[Kenpachii]

Was joined to one of those telegram stock checkers and managed to grab one but I'd it worth it?

Are the Ti models not usually overpriced?

Edit
£540 with delivery charge

The card goes for what 1000 pounds right now, so yea it was a good grab.

 

[KAL2006]

I'm deciding between picking a 5600x or a 5800x CPU. As the consoles have 8 core CPUs wouldn't it be smarter to get a 5800x CPU to match consoles for future proofing. Perhaps down the line games will use 8 cores more as consoles have 8 cores.

Edit
Just seen the post above Alder Lake so I should wait for that instead of going AMD? Also I should wait until Z690 motherboards as only a month away at most correct?

 

[Kenpachii]

I'm deciding between picking a 5600x or a 5800x CPU. As the consoles have 8 core CPUs wouldn't it be smarter to get a 5800x CPU to match consoles for future proofing. Perhaps down the line games will use 8 cores more as consoles have 8 cores.

pretty sure 5600x is faster then 8 cores the consoles have, 1 core is also reserved on top of it. So wouldn't worry to much. What can happen however is that games could make use of 8 cores unlike what we saw last generation and game developers optimize for absolute trash use those additional cores to preload shit in. Horizon zero dawn for example does this.

 

[KAL2006]

Is it worth going for a small factor or micro ATX case or are the disadvantages not worth the trouble. I assume fans will be louder and would run much hotter.

 

[GHG]

Is it worth going for a small factor or micro ATX case or are the disadvantages not worth the trouble. I assume fans will be louder and would run much hotter.

The disadvantages for mATX are mostly on the motherboard side. You'll have less PCIe slots, less nvme slots, less SATA ports.

However if you calculate what you think you'll need and you don't need a full size ATX motherboard then there are very few downsides to going with a mATX build, some of the cases available for those builds are great now and have no airflow/noise issues. The motherboards are also cheaper.

ITX though is a different story... I'd strongly suggest against going that route, especially if you're not an experienced builder.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Is it worth going for a small factor or micro ATX case or are the disadvantages not worth the trouble. I assume fans will be louder and would run much hotter.

I run an ITX build with a 2070 and it's pretty quiet, but I do have to adjust the fan curves manually or it will be noisy. Some cases will also have really bad airflow or only some GPUs will be able to fit. So you'll have to do some research if that's the route you go.

Micro ATX is pretty much plug and play no problem though.

 

[Bonfires Down]

I'm deciding between picking a 5600x or a 5800x CPU. As the consoles have 8 core CPUs wouldn't it be smarter to get a 5800x CPU to match consoles for future proofing. Perhaps down the line games will use 8 cores more as consoles have 8 cores.

The consoles have one core reserved for the OS. And from what I've seen modern engines are pretty good at distributing workload over however many cores are available. Ideally yes, you'd want to match the number of cores in the consoles, but I'd say a low priority overall. The PS4 also had 8 cores or whatever but still got smashed by 4 core Intel CPUs.

 

[Black_Stride]

General Rule

CPU: GHG is right, You should get a CPU that can be a little bit futureproof.

How is a 5600X future proof yet a 10/11400 - 600 isnt?
In terms of performance they are practically identical.
In terms of price the 10 and 11 series are better value.
They are both on dead end sockets....the only upgrade paths for both of them is to upgrade to another member of the family. (Some future huh)
At time of upgrade assuming you dont want to go to a new socket the 10700K or10850K heck even a 10900F make alot more sense than the 8 core 5800X or even the 12 core 5900X.

The 5900 performs worse in gaming than the 5800 and 5600.....the i9s all trump their smaller brothers in gaming and productivity benchmarks.
So realistically the only upgrade path between the two platforms is Intel.

What exactly am I missing?




P.S: 5800X are now being found with dual CCD so the benchmarks that most people see arent particularly relevent....its not a huge difference but they will perfor worse than the ones that went to the press.

 

[IDKFA]

How much do you think the rest of the components will cost just what a good idea how much to build a full pc is

Depends on what you're after. I was looking at building a rig with a 3070ti, but I can't justify the cost.

I could buy the parts and build it myself, but even without a monitor I was looking at just over £2k. That's before I've even added in a monitor, M&KB etc.

Could I do it for less? Sure. I could get a cheap case and downgrade the CPU to a Ryzen 5, but if I'm getting a PC I want to to last a long time before thinking of upgrading it. I also want to be able to play games at max settings in 4K.

Cost of PC gaming is just too much for me at the moment.

 

[TrueLegend]

How is a 5600X future proof yet a 10/11400 - 600 isnt?
In terms of performance they are practically identical.
In terms of price the 10 and 11 series are better value.
They are both on dead end sockets....the only upgrade paths for both of them is to upgrade to another member of the family. (Some future huh)
At time of upgrade assuming you dont want to go to a new socket the 10700K or10850K heck even a 10900F make alot more sense than the 8 core 5800X or even the 12 core 5900X.

The 5900 performs worse in gaming than the 5800 and 5600.....the i9s all trump their smaller brothers in gaming and productivity benchmarks.
So realistically the only upgrade path between the two platforms is Intel.

What exactly am I missing?




P.S: 5800X are now being found with dual CCD so the benchmarks that most people see arent particularly relevent....its not a huge difference but they will perfor worse than the ones that went to the press.

I use Intel and yes intel is better. I would have gone for intel espesially as he wants to Play Old Assassin's Creed but anybody buying intel should wait for 12th gen launch. For newer games many have reported 3rd gen ryzen has smoother frame time graphs. Futureproofing means having some upgrade path but 11th gen Intel has none. Next Ryzen will be likely be supported on X570 and B550 Motherboards.

 

[KAL2006]

So what's a good CPU that has a good upgrade path? Or is it the new alder lake coming out next month only.

 

[TrueLegend]

So what's a good CPU that has a good upgrade path? Or is it the new alder lake coming out next month only.

5600x is more than enough and will last you five years you can go for intel build if you wanna play old games in 4k without any issue. Intel has a legacy advantage although 5600x has great single-core performance. There is a reason the third-gen was called a gaming replacer for intel and not second or first-gen because older games need higher single-thread performance. More than 90% of the game only use 4 core even though you will think logically since PS4 gen had 8 cores most games on PC will be using 8 core but even Ryzen 5800X performs worse than 5600X on some fronts due to games still not using eight-core due to the engines they run not being optimized yet for 8 cores. You can use 11600K processor although I will say wait for the 12th gen if you are going for an intel build. TBH 5600X is just a 10/10 processor and I don't think you will have issue with legacy games.

But if you are specifically looking to play any game it's better to go look on the games forum if your game specifically runs better on CPU of Intel or AMD. For Example, all Assassin's Creed Games Until Valhalla run 10% better on Nvidia GPU. Sekiro Runs better on Nvidia GPU. DF has reported on both. But now since Valhalla, it's another way around. The same goes for some old games. Remember the CPU is not an issue but a game's particular optimization is and at the end that can frustrate you that's why I personally chose Intel.

Change processor and mobo in that PCpartpicker I gave you if you wanna go intel. 11th gen intel is also great and on par with Ryzen for gaming. But if you plan to upgrade you have zero chance on CPU front without changing mobo while on Ryzen you have 50% chance on not spending another 70 pounds. Now I went for Intel, but people like GHG shilling Ryzen 3rd gen are not wrong and do have a point that you at least have an upgrade path. Changing mobo means assembling pretty much everything again while with just CPU upgrade it's less hassle.

Conclusion:
If you really want to play old games like Assassin's Creed II on 4k without stutter issues I will say go intel. If playing new games is your priority stick with 5600X. And if you wait you will be getting better processors but there is always a waiting game and honestly, I usually suggest people to wait but these days I don't because prices are volatile. If it's cheap today you better buy it.

 

[Black_Stride]

I use Intel and yes intel is better. I would have gone for intel espesially as he wants to Play Old Assassin's Creed but anybody buying intel should wait for 12th gen launch. For newer games many have reported 3rd gen ryzen has smoother frame time graphs. Futureproofing means having some upgrade path but 11th gen Intel has none. Next Ryzen will be likely be supported on X570 and B550 Motherboards.

X570s wont support AM5.
Zen 3 is the last AM4 socket.
Zen 4 is on AM5.

So both 10, 11 and Zen 3 CPU have no logical upgrade paths.
But a cheap 10/11 Intel has in family upgrades.
For gaming Zen 3 has 5600X to something that will perform worse in gaming and thats it.

So what's a good CPU that has a good upgrade path? Or is it the new alder lake coming out next month only.

We are currently at a generational change.
So there really isnt any CPU with a good upgrade path.
AMD is moving to AM5, Intel is moving to LGA1700

But buying a "cheaper" 10th or 11th gen Intel lets you upgrade to a 10700,11700,10850,10900 CPU down the line if for whatever reason you feel you need more performance.

This late in the game if you are really spending....might as well jump on Alderlake or whatever the AM5 chips will be called.

But for budget build thats mainly gaming you cant beat Intels 6 core chips even 5 years down the line.
When you need more cores then get an in family upgrade.
No point getting a Ryzen chip when Intels chips do the same job for less money and the 8+ cores from Intel perform better.

When DDR5 and PCIE5 are the norm and a standard, youll be leaving behind whatever you buy today.

 

[TrueLegend]

X570s wont support AM5.
Zen 3 is the last AM4 socket.
Zen 4 is on AM5.

So both 10, 11 and Zen 3 CPU have no logical upgrade paths.
But a cheap 10/11 Intel has in family upgrades.
For gaming Zen 3 has 5600X to something that will perform worse in gaming and thats it.

We are currently at a generational change.
So there really isnt any CPU with a good upgrade path.
AMD is moving to AM5, Intel is moving to LGA1700

But buying a "cheaper" 10th or 11th gen Intel lets you upgrade to a 10700,11700,10850,10900 CPU down the line if for whatever reason you feel you need more performance.

This late in the game if you are really spending....might as well jump on Alderlake or whatever the AM5 chips will be called.

But for budget build thats mainly gaming you cant beat Intels 6 core chips even 5 years down the line.
When you need more cores then get an in family upgrade.
No point getting a Ryzen chip when Intels chips do the same job for less money and the 8+ cores from Intel perform better.

When DDR5 and PCIE5 are the norm and a standard, youll be leaving behind whatever you buy today.

you know what......my bad. The reason I messed up was because of the whole naming thing third-gen being 5000 in number and 4th will be 7000 in number and I was like B550 will support 4000 series won't it(Me assuming it as 4th gen), even though 4000 series means older than 5000. So yeah you are right.

 

[KAL2006]

X570s wont support AM5.
Zen 3 is the last AM4 socket.
Zen 4 is on AM5.

So both 10, 11 and Zen 3 CPU have no logical upgrade paths.
But a cheap 10/11 Intel has in family upgrades.
For gaming Zen 3 has 5600X to something that will perform worse in gaming and thats it.

We are currently at a generational change.
So there really isnt any CPU with a good upgrade path.
AMD is moving to AM5, Intel is moving to LGA1700

But buying a "cheaper" 10th or 11th gen Intel lets you upgrade to a 10700,11700,10850,10900 CPU down the line if for whatever reason you feel you need more performance.

This late in the game if you are really spending....might as well jump on Alderlake or whatever the AM5 chips will be called.

But for budget build thats mainly gaming you cant beat Intels 6 core chips even 5 years down the line.
When you need more cores then get an in family upgrade.
No point getting a Ryzen chip when Intels chips do the same job for less money and the 8+ cores from Intel perform better.

When DDR5 and PCIE5 are the norm and a standard, youll be leaving behind whatever you buy today.

So to clarify only the new alder lake cpu and z690 motherboards (has DDR5) will be future proof. That releases next month so not too long away.

 

[TrueLegend]

So to clarify only the new alder lake cpu and z690 motherboards (has DDR5) will be future proof. That releases next month so not too long away.

Yeah Watch Gamers Nexus take on Alder lake. Alder lake is looking great especially since Windows 11 is embroiled with performance issues for Ryzen because it's heavily optimized for Alder Lake.
As if things couldn't get worse for Microsoft... This Windows 11 issue is unacceptable! - YouTube

 

[KAL2006]

Yeah Watch Gamers Nexus take on Alder lake. Alder lake is looking great especially since Windows 11 is embroiled with performance issues for Ryzen because it's heavily optimized for Alder Lake.
As if things couldn't get worse for Microsoft... This Windows 11 issue is unacceptable! - YouTube

Nice well Alder Lake is releasing in November 4th so not that long away, seems like a perfect time to jump in PC gaming just at the generation shift with CPU and motherboards. I will wait until those release even if I have to spend a bit more just for more futureproofing.

 

[zkorejo]

Actually I've been tempted by pc gaming for the last year. I bought one because I won't lose either way can resell for profit or can keep.

Keep it then. You will have to increase your budget to build a PC around it though. But I'm sure it will be worth it.

I am like at the opposite end of the spectrum as you, I have everything else but can't find a 3070 to for good price and I refuse to overpay. I have a GTX 1660 super and it's working fine for me so far.

So I might end up getting a PS5 instead. The graphics card market and pricing is a joke.

 

[Black_Stride]

So to clarify only the new alder lake cpu and z690 motherboards (has DDR5) will be future proof. That releases next month so not too long away.

Yes and No.
Not all motherboards support DDR5.
Alderlake will work with DDR4 so some "budget" motherboards are DDR4 only.
As long as you keep your eyes open then Z690 MB with DDR5 and PCIE5 support is pretty much as futureproof as you can get this year.

Exactly right though its less than a month from now and Alderlake looks to be a real jump over the 11 series.
Might as welll jump on LGA1700 and have that in your back pocket for a while....13th gen might be LGA1700 compatible so if for whatever magical reason you need that extra 10fps youll likely be able to ugrade.

Otherwise youll be chart topping for 5 years easily.....and well within spec for something like 10 years.
Beyond upgrading you GPU youll be well ahead of the game for effectively a generation.

 

[playXray]

That’s amazing. How do they release new stock? I can see regular 3060s on there for almost £200 than you paid for a 3070 Ti, which seems crazy!