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Oh, I guess "I'm so biased I don't even wanna hear it" is pretty up there too.Resident Evil 6 is a good game because...
Anything that follows after is border line crayon eating behavior.
Oh, I guess "I'm so biased I don't even wanna hear it" is pretty up there too.Resident Evil 6 is a good game because...
Anything that follows after is border line crayon eating behavior.
The actual problem with most arguments about Nintendo and graphics is that when people diss Nintendo "graphics", they are usually complaining about Nintendo using anime-esque art styles rather than trying to do photorealism. It's not really like Nintendo games actually look bad - in fact, for their 1st-party games from Gamecube onward, a 4K res bump on an emulator does wonders. The problem with "Nintendo graphics" is more that Nintendo's gimped hardware does not allow their own games to flex their graphical strengths to the fullest, combined with Nintendo's awful legacy support meaning the average person will NEVER see a Gamecube or Wii game in 4K.Anything relating to Nintendo games and having subpar graphics. Somebody will always retort that it isn't about graphics, and gameplay is what's important.
I guess good gameplay and good graphics are mutually exclusive...
Star Ocean 4, there were some real brain dead weebs over on the GameFAQs who would say just about anything to defend that game.
One girl tried to defend Lymle by saying “she’s not a bad character, they EXPLAINED why she acts the way she does. Besides, ALL kids are annoying sometimes. It sounds like you just don’t like children”.
WTF, I don’t even know how to respond to that level of stupid. How much d-list shounen anime do I need to watch before that kind of logic makes sense?
(For those who haven’t played it, Lymle is a toddler who looks like a freakish soulless rubber doll and talks like a combination of caveman and Furby. and says “Kay” at the end of every sentence. Her back story is that she had an encounter with a demon as a young child that caused her to stop developing.)
I think you just got put on some FBI watch listWhen are we getting a AAAA Lymle solo game?
No matter what game is being discussed, you'll always see the same old arguments being made to excuse away any problems people may have.
For me, the absolute most brain dead argument is "If you don't like it, go make your own game". This implies that any customer for any business shouldn't be able to complain about their purchase, unless they've actually created a similar product themselves.
Dude, DOTA 2 is really good after 200 hours!
Only if you’re into masochism by way of russian voice chatIt is though. It's also really good before 200 hours.
I don't believe you"The play control in Lair is SUPPOSED to be awful, it's a dragon!"
''showing metacritc score/amazon sales as a counter argument''
Just beat my post.Probably some shit defending the horrible AI in the last guardian
Ugh yeah, I think fanboys are the absolute worst part of anything. But I think Nintendo fanboys back then were the worst of the worst, because they felt the need to bash and downplay all the stuff 360/PS3 had that Wii didn’t."Mario Galaxy wouldn't be good on PS3/360 because HD will take the fun out of the experience", or something like that.
The random forums I used to frequent during Wii days were filled with such interesting takes.
I've seen this argument used even when people give very solid reasons behind their criticism. Again, try applying this "logic" to literally any other industry, and it makes zero sense. Using it to defend a game that you like is nonsensical. Saying "go make a game yourself" isn't "push back" against an argument. It's deliberately trying to ignore complaints that people have, coming from people who cannot articulate a real rebuttal.Nah, its an argument usually employed to discard empty criticism.
Some people labour under the misapprehension that stating a dislike of something is an opinion of intrinsic worth. When in reality its only a description of their personal reaction and useless/meaningless to anyone else.
If you can't say what's wrong with a thing, why shouldn't we assume the problem is actually you and your tastes/perceptions?
The challenge to "make your own game" isn't literal, its figurative. Basically saying "OK, you think you're so fucking smart, go do it better yourself." Which obviously in almost every instance isn't going to happen! Mainly because even making the shittiest game in creation takes more talent and commitment than pissing and moaning on a message board
Lets face it, this isn't about not being allowed to complain. What it actually is, is not having your complaints pushed back against.
Which is kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
Yep, those are bad arguments. Luckily, Housemarque has addressed that with their last patchSpecial mention needs to go to the clowns defending the lack of a save option in Returnal.
“it will ruin the devs creative vision!”
“I beat it myself without any saves, so everyone else in the world should do the same”
jesters.
The Last Guardian, Trico controls like shit.
"It's supposed to be frustrating"
Yeah, no, get bent with that nonsense. This applies to basically any game, if the controls are bad, I don't wanna hear the excuse for why they are intentionally horrible. I had 1972 Vega with no power steering and no power brakes, that shit didn't make the driving more immersive, it just made for a horrible experience.
It's "fun with friends" is total smooth brain commentary as well. Like, very few things aren't.
In The Last Guardian you're a little boy, not a hundred ton mech, it just feels like you're a hundred ton mech. And Trico's AI feels like early gen voice recognition software, frustrating not immersive. The controls are objectively terrible and nowhere near "we can't have nice things" territory. Even mech controls are responsive, they're just slower and deliberate. If TLG were an EA title the shitty controls are garbage performance would have been 100% unanimously reviled, but it's an "auteur " Japanese game, which means it gets free passes on all it's problems.We can't have nice things. I want a kaiju or mech game with the visceral experience of controlling a lumbering titan that obliterates all in its path.
I can't stand it when my character who should weigh hundreds of tons, turns on a dime and has no weight to its momentum.
I've seen this argument used even when people give very solid reasons behind their criticism. Again, try applying this "logic" to literally any other industry, and it makes zero sense. Using it to defend a game that you like is nonsensical. Saying "go make a game yourself" isn't "push back" against an argument. It's deliberately trying to ignore complaints that people have, coming from people who cannot articulate a real rebuttal.
Also, stating problems that you might have with a game can most certainly be highly beneficial to others, if they find fault with the same type of issues. "Go make your own game" is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I'm not listening, I'm not listening!"
I agree with Toad on this one someone doesn't need to convince you why they like something that's completely subjective, If they like a game that's really all there is to it....so I don't really get this whole "defend" concept regarding something like this it would be like trying to say "what's the worst argument you've heard to defend chocolate"No matter what game is being discussed, you'll always see the same old arguments being made to excuse away any problems people may have
I agree with some of what you're saying but for the most part I would argue somebody actually saying that you "don't get it" or "it's art" it's probably the most logical argument they could make to defend the game based on them liking it because they're basically telling you they like something that you don't like. they got it, you didn't.... this is as subjective as it gets which means it's not really a dumb defense, it's the most the logical...Probably the "artistic" argument.
I don't believe not getting it is a bad argument even remotely, put it this way I don't really understand the appeal of that Goat simulator game but that does not mean someone who does get it and enjoys it doesn't have a reasonable defense for why they enjoy it... their defense could be as simple as "you don't get it". As in the appeal of the game is based on understanding some type of humor or based on the context of something else entirely that needs to be understood to enjoy it...Oh yeah, those are classics.
"You don't get it!" is a bad argument from any angle.
"Sold a lot thus it's good"... so the best games every year are COD, FIFA, and Madden?
Agreed. Thats all I get from this.The issue is you have with people "defending" the game. It's complaining that someone won't listen to reason to why a game they like isn't good.
My problem is awful rebuttals to legitimate complaints.
"Sold a lot thus it's good"... so the best games every year are COD, FIFA, and Madden?
You're totally taking my point and twisting it around. I'm talking about people who have no coherent arguments to make, so they make it seem like you're too inexperienced, too stupid, too ignorant to have a rational discussion. I've already said in this thread, I've never tried to convince someone that they shouldn't like a game. I've never belittled anyone who truly has decent reasons or arguments about a game. My problem is the dismissive rebuttals that fanboys make when they can't form a coherent argument.I agree with Toad on this one someone doesn't need to convince you why they like something that's completely subjective, If they like a game that's really all there is to it....so I don't really get this whole "defend" concept regarding something like this it would be like trying to say "what's the worst argument you've heard to defend chocolate"
Fuck am i supposed to do with this exactly? lol
Make that person's taste buds change?
I agree with some of what you're saying but for the most part I would argue somebody actually saying that you "don't get it" or "it's art" it's probably the most logical argument they could make to defend the game based on them liking it because they're basically telling you they like something that you don't like. they got it, you didn't.... this is as subjective as it gets which means it's not really a dumb defense, it's the most the logical...
Not everyone is going to get or like the same type of art which means there is no objective thing going on in which a defense like that would be bad.
It's simply means you disagree...that's it.
It's equivalent to getting a painting and having a room full of 10 people agree or disagree with liking it or not and then making it sound like it's now in "excuse" to disagree with you lol
So to even try to argue that something artistic is some excuse is the question why you even play games in the first place or why you feel you need to force your idea upon other users that might simply just disagree with your artistic views as opposed to their own.
I don't believe not getting it is a bad argument even remotely, put it this way I don't really understand the appeal of that Goat simulator game but that does not mean someone who does get it and enjoys it doesn't have a reasonable defense for why they enjoy it... their defense could be as simple as "you don't get it". As in the appeal of the game is based on understanding some type of humor or based on the context of something else entirely that needs to be understood to enjoy it...
I'm sorry but it just sounds to me like you're so fucking triggered that someone disagrees with you, you're trying to force this idea that an objective reason needs to exist lol
It doesn't.
I can fucking tell you that I like chocolate more than life itself and explain to you that you "don't get it" and I don't really need to say anything more beyond that bud lol
Agreed. Thats all I get from this.
I don't know what to tell you, you have a problem with awful rebuttals but for the most part most of the comments I'm seeing barely have any context to understand why any of those people brought up those statements, as in can you actually reply to a post that was stated by anyone in this forum that has ever argued they specifically believe Call of Duty FIFA or Madden are the best because they sell good or they believe those games are good because they sold good specifically as in exactly only based on sales is the reason behind their belief that they are great products or that they enjoy them because of the sales or something like this because it's starting to sound like you basically are making up something that's never happened to argue about a person that may not even exist lol
It's not like millions of people are buying a game called Madden and when they put the game in it's like pong or something and they keep buying it for the name alone or because everyone else is buying it, I'd argue if such a thing occurred you have a great reason to make this thread but I don't really see a lot of evidence that someone really is liking these things simply for the sake of the sales of the game alone and nothing more as if they're not playing the game or something weird like that lol so what you're trying to argue as defending the game in context might simply just be telling you an objective fact based on what's even being discussed so I don't even know If I could say someone referencing the sales of any one of those games was really a "defense" of them liking something in the game.....
I've never belittled anyone who truly has decent reasons or arguments about a game.
My problem is the dismissive rebuttals that fanboys make
Acting like no one can dare to have a negative opinion about a product that they've bought is absurd.
"you just didn't understand",
THOSE aren't good arguments.
You're totally taking my point and twisting it around.
I think it is right to seek common ground while reserving differences and not force others to accept their viewsHow about you play what you like and don't throw a fit when others like something you don't?
Not liking something is fine, but being upset when people don't want to listen you trying to convince them why they're wrong for liking it is another thing.