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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If we could get more people vaccinated, we could end this pandemic sooner. He's right.
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T8SC
Member
Ok, who is he and why should I listen to him and not the other various doctors on videos saying things to counter all of that? (Trying to remember the name of one Japanese or Chinese guy I was shown a few days ago, but Im sure he's based in either the US or Canada. Doctor Magasi? or something).
(Small print - I'm not listening to either).
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
He's a virologist, someone who studies viruses for a living. He's also a professor who teaches about viruses at a very prestigious institution. He consults not only his own expertise, but also the expertise of other professionals in the same and related fields to educate the listeners at a highly academic level while also putting things in terms that laymen can understand too. He's smart and he knows what he's talking about. This is in contrast to other academics and scientists who are smart in their own right but also aren't virologists specifically. One's opinion carries more weight and credibility than the other.
If you're not listening to either, you should start.
T8SC
Member
Ok I'll listen to both, and I've quickly Googled to find the guy "Nagase", I was almost right... here's a video for you since you said I should start listening.
WATCH: BC Doctor reviews ‘shocking’ stats from released Pfizer documents
Doctor Daniel Nagase sheds some light on concerning findings from the recently released safety data on Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Vincent Racaniello is very good. And he's open-minded, unlike most people. He's open to anything if the data supports it. He's not one of those people who will yell at you for bringing up Ivermectin. He's said he supports studies being done on it and wants the studies to decide if it should be used.
I basically only listen to apolitical experts regarding COVID. I don't trust anyone who has a political lean.
I basically only listen to apolitical experts regarding COVID. I don't trust anyone who has a political lean.
T8SC
Member
Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care
However, a major report showed the protection from catching Covid started to wane 10 weeks after the booster.
www.bbc.co.uk
So after 10 weeks of the booster, it effectiveness starts to wane by 15-25% and a 4th jab will be on the horizon? (Given they said it offers 70% protection, that means after 10 weeks the protection is potentially down to 45%.... )
T8SC
Member
QSD
Member
I'm not sure if they stopped producing it but a lot of countries have stopped giving it out
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Omicron: Half of colds will be Covid, warn UK researchers
If you have a sore throat, runny nose and a headache, get a Covid test, experts advise.
www.bbc.co.uk
funkygunther
Banned
it’s not discontinued, it was primarily given to the elderly in the UK who were vaxxed months ago and in the EU there was giant spat earlier this year around whether it delivered its promised supply to the point EU just hasn’t ordered any more
it’s still being used overseas, Australia and Thailand for example…but it’s not currently recommended for a booster and studies show that even if it the 3rd shot is just not as effective as the RNA vaccines
the AZ vaccine is a prime candidate for having its patent lifted so the world can at least get baseline vaccinated
QSD
Member
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Everything he listed is a known reason for not getting the vaccine.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care
However, a major report showed the protection from catching Covid started to wane 10 weeks after the booster.
www.bbc.com
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QSD
Member
I'm telling you man, AZ vaccine = collecters item
Prices already skyrocketing on ebay
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
QSD
Member
This was published on the NOS (dutch BBC) website a couple of days ago, somewhat to my surprise. It talks about over 17.000 reports of women with problems with their period post vaccine. Reported on the LAREB (= dutch VAERS) website. It bears out some stories I've heard anecdotally via female colleagues. It's not a huge number considering the number of vaccinations that have rolled out, but still not insignificant either.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2410488-ruim-17-000-meldingen-van-menstruatiestoornissen-na-vaccinatie
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2410488-ruim-17-000-meldingen-van-menstruatiestoornissen-na-vaccinatie
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T8SC
Member
Am I doing this right?
Also, what about all the reports of sportsmen collapsing? We have Christian Eriksen (Now retired), Sergio Aguero (Now retired) both due to "new heart problems". Victor Lindelof for Man Utd also went down clutching his chest the other week, and reports are that hes now wearing a heart monitor.
Then there's also Adama Traore, Charlie Wyke, John Fleck and more. Plus its not just footballers, Emma Raducanu had to quit her Tennis match at Wimbledon and I've heard of hockey players and others collapsing during games or training.
Related? Coincidence?
In the many years I've watched football (soccer), I can only remember Marc Vivien Foe & Fabrice Muamba who had similar or worse incidents. I don't believe it's the "Pace of the game has increased", that's total nonsense but it's what I've heard to be the cause.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
No, again, I wasn't looking for the stats for percentage of people vaccinated. I wanted numbers of states with vaccination mandates and their infection rates. And if the mandates have helped the infection rates at all.
I'd expect mandate states to have a higher vaccination rate. They're blue states and Democrats/liberals are more likely to vaccinate than Republicans/conservatives.
Chaplain
Member
My wife is one of these individuals. A few months ago she noticed that her menstrual cycle doubled in length and was a lot more painful at times. She keeps a journal that goes back at least until 2015 for her menstrual cycle and the changes are significant. She talked to her OBGYN's office about her menstrual changes when this happened and the doctor's office said that they have had many calls from other women reporting the same problems months after having the vaccine. The office said there is nothing that can be done about this.
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
is that true though? I think it's more of a class thing; wealthy vs poor
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
According to the polls I've seen it is. I've seen a handful where they asked people who identified as Democratic/Liberal, Republican/Conservative if they have gotten or will get the vaccine and the latter is always fewer.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Thread is doing well going into the holidays I see.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Got my third, chose a Moderna shot this time after having had two shots of Pfizer. Feel fine, not dead - Yet.
Was nice chatting with people at the drop-in station, everyone around was in a good holiday mood. The only strange thing I saw was that plenty of people for some reason decided to show up to get their third well within 20 weeks after getting their second shot and thus dismissed at the door.
Was nice chatting with people at the drop-in station, everyone around was in a good holiday mood. The only strange thing I saw was that plenty of people for some reason decided to show up to get their third well within 20 weeks after getting their second shot and thus dismissed at the door.
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T8SC
Member
Local rag on Facebook telling people to be cautious at Christmas and not have large gatherings etc due to cases rising.
So, I looked at the comments:
Will still be having my kids and grandkids.
I urge everyone to go about there lives as normal and have a happy normal Christmas
No point, after the G7, cop26 & all the “business meetings” at number 10, if these people don’t feel at risk, why should I?Ever get the feeling politicians are peeing on us & telling us that it’s raining ?
I won't be changing plans
Cheese and wine for me.
Can’t be too careful
Nope il be seeing all my family as I did last year!
Yes…going to have a business meeting instead. It’s much safer
Not changing any plans especially after last year. I’ve had all jabs and booster something we are going to have to live with so enjoy life while you can
Will have the same 16 round as last year
No, life needs to be lived
No I won't.
Who cans go out 2morrow see few friends go few pints
Christmas Day go see family have get on with life
At this moment Wetherspoons is very busy and nobody is wearing mask or living in fear. Merry Christmas. The covid narrative has collapsed and people are sick of the lies.
No because people are 70% less likely to be hospitalised than before (according to ITV news) and considering you had a 99.7% chance of survival before I would say (in my humble opinion) that it is not much worse than a common cold now!
Won't be changing anything in the new year either.. non compliance is the way out of this debacle. Oh . Stop testing healthy people with NO symptoms. They are not sick. Or if healthy people do in fact have covid. Then whats all the fuss about. Old fat sick vunerable people always die. A cold winter is coming and 30k will die. Life is life. Live yours and STAY out of ours.
Fck off your boring me to death
So, no doubt the reply here is "Facebook and social media is full of idiots, fools and weirdos". However, I scrolled through approximately 100 comments from many different walks of life and not one agreed with the "Christmas caution". This, ladies & gentleman, is how the majority (not all) of the public see things now. Yet this topic rambles on with stats and more stats and anyone questioning is an anti-vaxxer dirty scummer.
So, I looked at the comments:
Will still be having my kids and grandkids.
I urge everyone to go about there lives as normal and have a happy normal Christmas
No point, after the G7, cop26 & all the “business meetings” at number 10, if these people don’t feel at risk, why should I?Ever get the feeling politicians are peeing on us & telling us that it’s raining ?
I won't be changing plans
Cheese and wine for me.
Can’t be too careful
Nope il be seeing all my family as I did last year!
Yes…going to have a business meeting instead. It’s much safer
Not changing any plans especially after last year. I’ve had all jabs and booster something we are going to have to live with so enjoy life while you can
Will have the same 16 round as last year
No, life needs to be lived
No I won't.
Who cans go out 2morrow see few friends go few pints
At this moment Wetherspoons is very busy and nobody is wearing mask or living in fear. Merry Christmas. The covid narrative has collapsed and people are sick of the lies.
No because people are 70% less likely to be hospitalised than before (according to ITV news) and considering you had a 99.7% chance of survival before I would say (in my humble opinion) that it is not much worse than a common cold now!
Won't be changing anything in the new year either.. non compliance is the way out of this debacle. Oh . Stop testing healthy people with NO symptoms. They are not sick. Or if healthy people do in fact have covid. Then whats all the fuss about. Old fat sick vunerable people always die. A cold winter is coming and 30k will die. Life is life. Live yours and STAY out of ours.
Fck off your boring me to death
So, no doubt the reply here is "Facebook and social media is full of idiots, fools and weirdos". However, I scrolled through approximately 100 comments from many different walks of life and not one agreed with the "Christmas caution". This, ladies & gentleman, is how the majority (not all) of the public see things now. Yet this topic rambles on with stats and more stats and anyone questioning is an anti-vaxxer dirty scummer.
prinz_valium
Member
Does that matter if their vulnerable died in 2020 more than Norway, Denmark or Finnland, while their vulnerable die more in 2021 and at the end of the day it comes out at the same, or Sweden will even be lower?
nemiroff
Gold Member
Well, not really, we're more than 1.5 years into the pandemic and there's still not a clear sign of that happening. Plus vaccines.
Deaths per 100K, fresh data.
..However, there's a slightly sharper curve the recent months for the other countries because all restrictions were lifted for a while, so you're not all wrong.
Sweden's death rate is still much lower than US's btw.
Edit: Ah, you guys started this talk about excess all-cause mortality, I didn't catch that context. I don't know much about that, all I know is that people have not had access to treatment for their issues at the same level as before the pandemic. Just today I read that the emergency health services are completely jammed by a flood of people worried about their runny noses.
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BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Sadly, it's true, and not related to socioeconomic status:
Weekly Update: #COVID19 case/death rates by county, partisan lean & vaccination rate
Here's the weekly look at the rate of COVID-19 cases & deaths at the county level since the end of June, broken out by partisan lean (i.e, what percent of the vote Donald Trump received in 2020). The ratio of case rates has started to drop; new cases are now running 2.71x higher per capita in...
acasignups.net
Sixty percent of the unvaccinated in the US identify as republican (17% for D, and 17% for I). Death rates in red counties have been hovering at 5.5 times higher than blue counties on average. A shocking 88% of unvaccinated and 54% of vaccinated republicans think coronavirus is "exaggerated" ("It's just a bad flu", etc), compared to 8% of vaccinated Democrats.
There are lots of more comparison points in that study and other studies out there.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I am not sure what your point is. Yeah most of us are going to be hanging out with friends and family over Christmas same as we did at Thanksgiving. The only people getting called anti-vaxxers are those who are posting anti-vax stuff.Local rag on Facebook telling people to be cautious at Christmas and not have large gatherings etc due to cases rising.
So, I looked at the comments:
Will still be having my kids and grandkids.
I urge everyone to go about there lives as normal and have a happy normal Christmas
No point, after the G7, cop26 & all the “business meetings” at number 10, if these people don’t feel at risk, why should I?Ever get the feeling politicians are peeing on us & telling us that it’s raining ?
I won't be changing plans
Cheese and wine for me.
Can’t be too careful
Nope il be seeing all my family as I did last year!
Yes…going to have a business meeting instead. It’s much safer
Not changing any plans especially after last year. I’ve had all jabs and booster something we are going to have to live with so enjoy life while you can
Will have the same 16 round as last year
No, life needs to be lived
No I won't.
Who cans go out 2morrow see few friends go few pintsChristmas Day go see family have get on with life
At this moment Wetherspoons is very busy and nobody is wearing mask or living in fear. Merry Christmas. The covid narrative has collapsed and people are sick of the lies.
No because people are 70% less likely to be hospitalised than before (according to ITV news) and considering you had a 99.7% chance of survival before I would say (in my humble opinion) that it is not much worse than a common cold now!
Won't be changing anything in the new year either.. non compliance is the way out of this debacle. Oh . Stop testing healthy people with NO symptoms. They are not sick. Or if healthy people do in fact have covid. Then whats all the fuss about. Old fat sick vunerable people always die. A cold winter is coming and 30k will die. Life is life. Live yours and STAY out of ours.
Fck off your boring me to death
So, no doubt the reply here is "Facebook and social media is full of idiots, fools and weirdos". However, I scrolled through approximately 100 comments from many different walks of life and not one agreed with the "Christmas caution". This, ladies & gentleman, is how the majority (not all) of the public see things now. Yet this topic rambles on with stats and more stats and anyone questioning is an anti-vaxxer dirty scummer.
funkygunther
Banned
Norway and Denmark are just below in those estimates so if you think Sweden has offset their 2020 in 2021 and they've come out the same please provide the data.
Local rag on Facebook telling people to be cautious at Christmas and not have large gatherings etc due to cases rising.
So, I looked at the comments:
Will still be having my kids and grandkids.
I urge everyone to go about there lives as normal and have a happy normal Christmas
No point, after the G7, cop26 & all the “business meetings” at number 10, if these people don’t feel at risk, why should I?Ever get the feeling politicians are peeing on us & telling us that it’s raining ?
I won't be changing plans
Cheese and wine for me.
Can’t be too careful
Nope il be seeing all my family as I did last year!
Yes…going to have a business meeting instead. It’s much safer
Not changing any plans especially after last year. I’ve had all jabs and booster something we are going to have to live with so enjoy life while you can
Will have the same 16 round as last year
No, life needs to be lived
No I won't.
Who cans go out 2morrow see few friends go few pintsChristmas Day go see family have get on with life
At this moment Wetherspoons is very busy and nobody is wearing mask or living in fear. Merry Christmas. The covid narrative has collapsed and people are sick of the lies.
No because people are 70% less likely to be hospitalised than before (according to ITV news) and considering you had a 99.7% chance of survival before I would say (in my humble opinion) that it is not much worse than a common cold now!
Won't be changing anything in the new year either.. non compliance is the way out of this debacle. Oh . Stop testing healthy people with NO symptoms. They are not sick. Or if healthy people do in fact have covid. Then whats all the fuss about. Old fat sick vunerable people always die. A cold winter is coming and 30k will die. Life is life. Live yours and STAY out of ours.
Fck off your boring me to death
So, no doubt the reply here is "Facebook and social media is full of idiots, fools and weirdos". However, I scrolled through approximately 100 comments from many different walks of life and not one agreed with the "Christmas caution". This, ladies & gentleman, is how the majority (not all) of the public see things now. Yet this topic rambles on with stats and more stats and anyone questioning is an anti-vaxxer dirty scummer.
Blue checkmarks on Twitter and coastal elites are the ones continuing to drive the fear and paranoia and authoritarianism around this virus. The majority of the rest of the world has gone about their lives mostly as normal, with certain precautions obviously. It reminds me of the poll NBC or some other national outlet put up regarding whether people would be getting their 5-11 year old kids vaccinated, or would be getting a booster (I honestly forget which). After several hours it was at around 90% against/10% for, and they pulled the poll from the site. "They" (blue checkmarks and coastal elites) don't want you to actually know what the majority of people feel about what is going on. Same reason they removed dislikes on Youtube.
nush
Member
This has been my experience in China. Chances are sure I'm getting bullshitted by one known unreliable source with an agenda. At least its not multiple groups with agendas tailored just to suit what I think so I get on their side.
Flash Junkins
Member
I have worked this entire pandemic in hospitals, colleges, stadiums, and other large enterprises.
I'm vax'd but that does not seem to matter anymore.
Never got it. I am a lucky guy.
I'm vax'd but that does not seem to matter anymore.
Never got it. I am a lucky guy.
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MisterFalcon
Member
He's also a bit of an arrogant prick who refuses to accept any evidence not given by virologists as valid. Until he has worked through all the tests in his lab, which take months, no variant should be considered more contagious and the press should just shut up about it.
On November 30th he dismissed any concern about B1.1.529 (omicron) as media hype.
He is right in an ivory tower kind of way, all people should get vaccinated and then it's no big deal. But the rest of us live in the real world where millions refuse to be vaccinated, get infected even more quickly now and if me or Vincent gets hit by a car he will have to wait a very long time in pain and risking permanent disability as all the hospitals are full of people getting natural immunity. And unfortunately this also means the vaccinated people will have to help to slow the spread by boosters or locking down then though they themselves are not directly threatened.
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Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Am I doing this right?
Also, what about all the reports of sportsmen collapsing? We have Christian Eriksen (Now retired), Sergio Aguero (Now retired) both due to "new heart problems". Victor Lindelof for Man Utd also went down clutching his chest the other week, and reports are that hes now wearing a heart monitor.
Then there's also Adama Traore, Charlie Wyke, John Fleck and more. Plus its not just footballers, Emma Raducanu had to quit her Tennis match at Wimbledon and I've heard of hockey players and others collapsing during games or training.
Related? Coincidence?
In the many years I've watched football (soccer), I can only remember Marc Vivien Foe & Fabrice Muamba who had similar or worse incidents. I don't believe it's the "Pace of the game has increased", that's total nonsense but it's what I've heard to be the cause.
Probably coincidence.
Incidence and Etiology of Sudden Cardiac Death: New Updates for Athletic Departments
Sudden cardiac death (SCD) in a young athlete is a tragic event and is the leading medical cause of death in this population. The precise incidence of SCD in young athletes has been subject of debate, with studies reporting drastically different rates ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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funkygunther
Banned
Local rag on Facebook telling people to be cautious at Christmas and not have large gatherings etc due to cases rising.
So, I looked at the comments:
Will still be having my kids and grandkids.
I urge everyone to go about there lives as normal and have a happy normal Christmas
No point, after the G7, cop26 & all the “business meetings” at number 10, if these people don’t feel at risk, why should I?Ever get the feeling politicians are peeing on us & telling us that it’s raining ?
I won't be changing plans
Cheese and wine for me.
Can’t be too careful
Nope il be seeing all my family as I did last year!
Yes…going to have a business meeting instead. It’s much safer
Not changing any plans especially after last year. I’ve had all jabs and booster something we are going to have to live with so enjoy life while you can
Will have the same 16 round as last year
No, life needs to be lived
No I won't.
Who cans go out 2morrow see few friends go few pintsChristmas Day go see family have get on with life
At this moment Wetherspoons is very busy and nobody is wearing mask or living in fear. Merry Christmas. The covid narrative has collapsed and people are sick of the lies.
No because people are 70% less likely to be hospitalised than before (according to ITV news) and considering you had a 99.7% chance of survival before I would say (in my humble opinion) that it is not much worse than a common cold now!
Won't be changing anything in the new year either.. non compliance is the way out of this debacle. Oh . Stop testing healthy people with NO symptoms. They are not sick. Or if healthy people do in fact have covid. Then whats all the fuss about. Old fat sick vunerable people always die. A cold winter is coming and 30k will die. Life is life. Live yours and STAY out of ours.
Fck off your boring me to death
So, no doubt the reply here is "Facebook and social media is full of idiots, fools and weirdos". However, I scrolled through approximately 100 comments from many different walks of life and not one agreed with the "Christmas caution". This, ladies & gentleman, is how the majority (not all) of the public see things now. Yet this topic rambles on with stats and more stats and anyone questioning is an anti-vaxxer dirty scummer.
sure and if there are new restrictions and guidelines these people will continue to comply with them like they've always done, it's easy to posture online but seeing the Great British Public in their native habitat no-one wants to stick out of the crowd
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Boris Johnson already said people can go ahead with their Christmas plans. People are free to make their own judgement call; that's the point.So, no doubt the reply here is "Facebook and social media is full of idiots, fools and weirdos". However, I scrolled through approximately 100 comments from many different walks of life and not one agreed with the "Christmas caution". This, ladies & gentleman, is how the majority (not all) of the public see things now. Yet this topic rambles on with stats and more stats and anyone questioning is an anti-vaxxer dirty scummer.
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He doesn’t care, gets the best healthcare if he falls ill , afterwards he drives his Bentley
you have to handle the population of today as little whiny children. That’s what 2 years showed us. After Christmas a nice lockdown as after diner treat 
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QSD
Member
I don't know about sportsmen collapsing, I did see the Eriksen incident but other than that I'm not too much of a sports watcher. Considering how much sports is broadcast I think it could just be coincidence, as the number of athletes that collapse or otherwise become incapacitated during a game due to health problems is just going to vary from year to year anyway.
My wife is one of these individuals. A few months ago she noticed that her menstrual cycle doubled in length and was a lot more painful at times. She keeps a journal that goes back at least until 2015 for her menstrual cycle and the changes are significant. She talked to her OBGYN's office about her menstrual changes when this happened and the doctor's office said that they have had many calls from other women reporting the same problems months after having the vaccine. The office said there is nothing that can be done about this.
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Sorry to hear about your wife, I hope her cycle straightens itself out again. I've talked to one female colleague who's afraid to get vaccinated because some of her friends had period problems, and she's worried about having another kid. She's normally not a squeamish type at all BTW. I was kind of surprised reading the article that it has this quote
when they don't seem to know or understand what about the vaccination is possibly causing the period problems. How can they be so sure? It seems unwarranted to be that confident. OTOH it's certainly possible that stresses around the pandemic are causing period issues, it's gonna be quite hard to get rid of that confound given the current situation.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Woke up feeling a lot better today. Still have it, but I guess it’s like when you know you are at the tail end. I just feel different. Brain fog has cleared up energy level is back. Still have snotty nose and cough with phlegm been about four and a half days maybe ?
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betrayal
Banned
This is the most reasonable conclusion given the amount of research done on the matter so far. If you don't understand why, I will explain here with reasons and evidence:
Overwhelmingly, there are mounds of data that shows the current vaccines reduce the severity of a COVID19 infection from all variants. This is very clear when you compare the unvaccinated and the vaccinated populations side by side. This is very clear when you see that proportionally, the majority of the people hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated. There is a very strong correlation, which upon further analysis has been determined to be causal.
Yes, plenty of people without a single jab get the same mild symptoms. One of difficulties in combating SARSCOV2 is that asymptomatic infection is relatively common compared to other respiratory diseases, so a lot of people don't realize they have it while spreading it around. Does that mean it's not dangerous? Obviously no, since it's already killed over 800K in the USA alone, about an order of magnitude greater the standard flu. However, when we look at fully vaccinated people and compare them to people without a single jab, we can definitely determine that the fully vaccinated people are much more likely not to get infected, much more likely not to become severely ill, and much more likely not to die.
Recently, with the advent of the omicron variant, there is some early data that could suggest that this variant is less likely to send you to the hospital, citing early data from South Africa.betrayal tried to break my balls for taking the preliminary data with a grain of salt. However, in statistics there is a thing called confounders that make drawing conclusions difficult the more of them you have, and in the early data, there are some big ones.
Confounding - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Even his own sources that
Therefore, this is why my statement that this probably due to the vaccine and maybe due to the strainjufonuk has is accurate. There is lots of data that strongly suggests a direct relationship to the vaccine. There is a little bit of data that might suggest some kind of a relationship to the strain. Aside from the fact that we don't even know what strain
Does that clear things up?
Good post. But I never said that vaccination is not the cause. Of course, vaccination has a very large part to do with the fact that infections are milder (and btw, also compared to delta, whether vaccinated or not), which I just pointed out. The numbers were already VERY clear last week and it was apparent that further studies would only confirm this. You can also simply compare the figures directly yourself and don't have to wait every time for "studies" that ultimately only evaluate exactly these numbers, that are already available for days or even weeks. It really is true that the data is available to everyone way before "studies" (which are often only evaluations of already known data) come out, but many people no longer have the imagination (or they're just dumb) to look at the numbers themselves.
I'm perfectly comfortable saying it again, and you're welcome to quote me on that next year: The pandemic ends in 2022. A regularly modified vaccination that protects against flu and coronaviruses at the same time will be the gold standard against seasonal outbreaks.
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I’ll quote you on that
