MacReady13
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I tried playing it a few months after release and was quite bored by it. Never went back and never wanted a sequel. No big loss to me but, if I do build my gaming PC I might pick it up on the cheap and give it another chance.
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Jeff Ross - Days Gone has sold over 9 million units on PS4 and PC
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Can we just stop and admit that Jason got this one right. Pretty much everything from this article has turned out to be true. TLOU remake, Bend working on a new IP, Bend unsuccessfully trying to pitch DG2.
This forum's hate boner for Jason is so silly. The guy gets stuff right more often than not. And he's literally the only one holding devs and publishers responsible. I dont care if hes a soyboy in real life. He's the only journalist doing his job in this industry.
This forum's hate boner for Jason is so silly. The guy gets stuff right more often than not. And he's literally the only one holding devs and publishers responsible. I dont care if hes a soyboy in real life. He's the only journalist doing his job in this industry.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
It's crazy. The tone with Jason always changes depending on what news he breaks. One moment he's a slimey weasel who should be ignored and the next he's back to being the most reliable insider everyone knows he is
The important things are the facts he presents. Just ignore the politically motivated comments he makes and focus on the important parts he provides. Not hard.
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remember_spinal
Banned
I never doubt anything he said, its just the way its framed is always meant to incite drama to get clicks. There’s good well researched and sourced journalism tucked down underneath the sensationalism.
Also, I’ve kept the belief that factions 2 is done because of this article.
Zombie9ers
Member
He's got to take some responsibility too - the game was a buggy mess at launch even after being delayed a couple of times. They shouldn't have shipped a broken product - and that's exactly what
agreed - I love Days Gone but I played it after it had been patched to death. The reviewers received an unfinished product. After several delays they have no one to blame but themselves for how the game was received and it certainly affected initial sales. It has since become a cult classic with a huge fanbase - so hopefully somewhere down the line it can get a sequel - but I doubt it happens anytime soon. This guy certainly isn't helping matters.
CamHostage
Member
Kind of my thinking too is that Sony was in the wrong for getting on Bend Studio's case over sales, but ultimately will have served things best by reassigning the team to something more interesting. (Even though sales ended up strong, Days Gone has got a lot of downsides and went in a direction I don't feel PlayStation needs more of; if the idea of it being bike-focused had stuck and if they had found more fun mechanics rather than making it gritty and punishing, then that would have been been unique, but this already suffered from TLoU comparisons even before people started playing to find its issues and frustrations.) Hopefully that's how it'll all flush out.
I hate that a team that I have loved for so long (especially on PSP, where they had a chance to shine as a big fish in a small pond) has suffered and been fragmented and cannot enjoy this success... but sorry, I don't necessarily want more Days Gone, myself.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
People keep saying this but i played this at launch and it was not a buggy experience.
CourtCleaner
Neo Member
A Shame we won't be getting a sequel. Game was fucking great. Starts off a bit slow but it really picks up a few hrs into it. One of my absolute favorites last gen and will be starting a PS5 playthrough soon
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It would be one of the first modern high profile AAA games getting scores docked based on "bugs/glitches/performance" since reviewers sure as shit ignore them in other games before and after that game.
It was more to do with the protag and theme.
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SSfox
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That being said, i just hope and Bend next game better be not some lame MiB game because that will be a BIG BIG L, honestly who cares about MiB or some another Alien game? , but if it's new IP this can be something great, and it would be nice if it imply some Biker gameplay and mecanics, i'm huge Paul Phoenix fan and i always had dream of a Solo game with Paul as a main character, and Dayz Gone was the closest thing ever to exprience this.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Bugs and glitches are nothing compared to bland and bloaty mechanics in this.
I enjoyed the game and plan on replaying it on ps5 but this is my take from my first playthrough. I've bought the game full price
-Shooting is average but takes forever to get going until you get good weapons
-Hordes are just annoying until you get good gear 15-20 hours in. Then the game gets more fun
-Bike is a nightmare of low fuel and durability. Gets better later
-Terrible, awful sneaking / trailing missions. Like wtf
-Idiotic, stupid characters straight out of walking dead. Like seriously ? Skizzo is a real apocalyptic survivor? Mike deserved to die, he is so damn stupid.
-PLenty of go there, do nothing missions.
-Huge repetitions in traps as your travel.
-Buying and shopping economy is broken. You get to buy good gear once you leave the camp for good...
-I killed the mill horde earlier and the game bugged the fuck out when it was time to do so in mission
-Your interaction with wife...
-Stupid gang of psychos who you flood and like... what ?
-tons of bugs and performance issues... I kept it installed since the day of release and it was patched like every week. I held off a year and it still was broken.
STILL. The game is somehow much better than sum of it's parts. It got good vibes, graphics and so on. But it's terrible... but I can see why people love it if even I like it despite so many flaws
edit: sorry, I am repeating myself. I really need to replay it on ps5
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I'm wondering what the average retail price of GoT was compared to Days Gone, and if Days Gone sales includes the PS+. Those data points could repaint this picture really fast. Having thought it over, I have to assume GoT sold for a much higher average price since it is a lot newer, also released on PS5, and almost certainly hasn't been on sale as much or marked down as much when on sale. And if PS+ sales are included, that obviously changes things far more.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Deacon's insane commentary was more annoying than any bug I encountered.
It's not what I'd call polished but neither are most open-world games I've played. At least it didn't need it's own unstuck button like State of Decay lol
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Shawn is the last of the old PS era guys who came out of Japan like Andrew House and Kaz Hirai. They spoke Japanese and understood what made Playstation great. Those guys are long gone now replaced by corporate stooges who moved the company near Silicon Valley turning it into a bizarre third party venture. They have more in common with Microsoft and EA today than Nintendo. For some, that's not a bad thing. Nintendo is no angel either. But the Sony I fell in love with decades ago is no longer there.
Andrew House hired Kojima literally the week after he was fired by Konami. Jim let him go to Microsoft and Stadia. Kaz Hirai had Insomniac make Resistance. Jim has them making Wolverine on top of Spiderman. Isnt one Marvel IP enough?
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
We don't hate Jason for being factually incorrect in his reporting (he's often never so).
We dislike him vehemently because he's an egotistical, arrogant asshole.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
All valid and well thought out arguments and complaints. now go watch the Gamespot review and see how she brings up none of these points, and ends up turning this game into a racist and sexist stereotype.Bugs and glitches are nothing compared to bland and bloaty mechanics in this.
I enjoyed the game and plan on replaying it on ps5 but this is my take from my first playthrough. I've bought the game full price
-Shooting is average but takes forever to get going until you get good weapons
-Hordes are just annoying until you get good gear 15-20 hours in. Then the game gets more fun
-Bike is a nightmare of low fuel and durability. Gets better later
-Terrible, awful sneaking / trailing missions. Like wtf
-Idiotic, stupid characters straight out of walking dead. Like seriously ? Skizzo is a real apocalyptic survivor? Mike deserved to die, he is so damn stupid.
-PLenty of go there, do nothing missions.
-Huge repetitions in traps as your travel.
-Buying and shopping economy is broken. You get to buy good gear once you leave the camp for good...
-I killed the mill horde earlier and the game bugged the fuck out when it was time to do so in mission
-Your interaction with wife...
-Stupid gang of psychos who you flood and like... what ?
-tons of bugs and performance issues... I kept it installed since the day of release and it was patched like every week. I held off a year and it still was broken.
STILL. The game is somehow much better than sum of it's parts. It got good vibes, graphics and so on. But it's terrible... but I can see why people love it if even I like it despite so many flaws
edit: sorry, I am repeating myself. I really need to replay it on ps5
To me, THE biggest problem with the game is its first 10 hours. It is not just boring, it is painfully slow punishing and goes out of its way to make characters unlikeable. The thing is it is by design and I thought the payoff was worth it. You said it yourself, the shooting gets better. The bike gets better. The hordes get better.
In the interview with Jaffe, the creative director brings up how the game's character development wouldnt have felt earned if Deacon was dick only for an hour. The same applies to taking on hordes. Would it as satisfying if you could take on hordes in the first 3 hours of the game? Would you have even liked the bike if the bike was fully upgraded from day one? It wouldnt feel rewarding if it was great right away no? People forget that the game is a survival horror game. You are not OP in Resident Evil when you start out. By the end you are terminator. The same is true here.
I still think the game shouldve started with Iron Mike's camp. Just have the first two camps be optional ones in the middle of the game. Like you said, the game is better than the sum of its parts and thats because there is potential here. 8 million people seem to think so. Critically maligned games dont sell as much. There is something special here and Its a shame Sony execs didnt realize that.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Check out the Ken Levine thread. Entire forum jumped down his throat and dismissed the article. This time he didnt even rely on anonymous sources, and had actual designers and directors on record and everyone was acting like Jason made it all up.
Buggy Loop
Member
Is this the most bitter dev in history of gaming? Damn
IMO, you're right that his reporting is sometimes dismissed too quickly. I would even say he's one of a few people who really break news instead of regurgitating it. But can you really blame people here for having negative initial reactions to him? Right or wrong, his work over the last few years has lead me to believe he thinks those who don't share his views are beneath him, and he seems to stick to safe spaces where disagreement with his work can be stifled. I'd personally have a lot more respect for him if he was willing to debate some of his article slants in places where debate is less controllable, like here for instance. But for some reason that never happens even though the posters here pretty much all fall within the enthusiast crowd.
Hugare
Member
"You gotta crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run."
Then dont try running before you are able to walk
Tell that to Housemarquee, who went from 2d shooters to a AAA release that's one of the best games of the year (my personal GOTY)
AAA releases are expensive as ever. You may not have the chance to learn how to walk before you run, so you gotta be smart and release something that will be great from the get go.
Instead of going straight to "open world AAA game with zombies, vehicles, factions and etc." and delivering an unpolished game because they dont have the know how / enough devs yet, they should have gone for something more streamlined like Returnal
yurinka
Member
Seems that some things of the article were true and some other things were totally false:
-Mumbauer himself debunked that his reason to leave had nothing to do with the remake, but instead to wanting to go back to his idea of making cg movies and tv shows of game IPs using game cinematics assets, since Sony didn't greenlighted it (maybe because they already have other division in charge of movies and tv shows) and wanted them to focus on games
-Mumbauer also mentioned that the other reason of people leaving the studio was Zenimax very aggresively hired people from both San Diego studio since Zenimax did open a studio next to them and they were the only main game studios in the area
-According to the DG directors they never feared to be absorved by ND, said that since decades ago both studios helped each other when needed and worked in many titles together, and that only have good words for them
-Both DG directors mentioned that their reason to leave wasn't related to Sony's reaction to DG results, DG2 pitch, their colaboration with ND. It was more to do with being over 50 years old and not wanting to be in another super long project
-Hermen Hulst debunked Jason's claims of them being focused on a few top selling blockbuster stablished IPs: around half of their games under development are new IPs, he claimed to be proud of smaller and more experimental and unique games like Astro, Dreams or Death Stranding and wants to continue making more of them plus to try new types of games like making more MP games
-XDEV Japanese team, Team Asobi, Astro and Death Stranding exist. Which means Japan Studio got restructured, not closed (but I see he edited the text as other things that were edited, so nows mentions 'reorganized' instead).
Ross said the issue was local studio management, not the CEO. Where is the source saying they won't make Death Stranding 2? Norman Redus said they were in talks to having him in the sequel.
Jimbo became CEO back in 2019, the deals of Godfall, Deathloop, Forsaken and Ghostwire Tokyo exclusivities super likely were signed way before.
If it ever existed, it happened before Jimbo got CEO. And as CEO he isn't in charge of what games get greenlighted or cancelled, there's other people who decides these things.
Ross and Garvin debunked any issue between Bend with ND and praised Druckmann. That story has more to do with Jason hating Sony and particularly ND.
After release they made many bugfixing, added stuff and ported it to PC, plus a big ass game like DG2 would be would need more than 3 years, but I understand what do you mean.
Other than that, we have to remember that all Sony studios are and have been growing. So who knows, maybe tomorrow they could start a 2nd track at Bend to make DG2. Or well, maybe other studio (who knows, Bluepoint maybe?) could make it or codevelop it with Bend.
Regarding the directors, I loved their work but unless you're Kojima and a few more, they can be replaced. In fact, look at Miyamoto: now they are making better Mario and Zelda games before he retired as developer.
thismeinteil
Member
Him having good info doesn't change the fact that he's a clout chasing piece of shit.
Pedro Motta
Member
Reviewers played it without the day one patch. I also played it at launch without any issues.
sncvsrtoip
Member
sncvsrtoip
Member
in the end they succed (8 milions copies sold, 8.4 user metascore) and decision of not making sequel wasn't recived very warmly
Barakov
Member
I played through about 3/4 of it and shelved it because of how much of a slog it was. Fighting a horde was cool in concept but was pretty obnoxious in execution. Sony passing on Day Gone 2 is not a big loss for me. Can understand why others would be pissed about it though. GoT is superior in nearly every way.
Oddvintagechap
Member
The game took 7 years to make, and sold for 20 bucks within a month. I bought the game for 20 bucks on PSN.
Papacheeks
Banned
Internal management issues was most surprising. Sounds like local management let them down. And they felt deflated since management didn’t convey why they were shooting down a sequel. Not a Jim Ryan or Herman issue. And Jason made some shit up about them being a support studio. Or he framed it inappropriately.
sncvsrtoip
Member
Im watching David Jaffe interview now and at the beginning Jeff Ross said Days Gone 2 was dead same time Shawn Layden stopped being CEO of PlayStation Studios
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
rofif
lol Just saw the creative directors talk about the survival horror element and making the game hard on Jaffe's stream. The game director wanted to make it hard. I mean think about it, how many open world games are hard?
Papacheeks
Banned
Shawn was a fan for sure. But the one thing they both talk about is local management. Issues were inside studio.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol Jaffe named a lot of Sony execs who he says are awesome (Scott Rhode, Shawn Layden) and he loves them, but then left out Jim Ryan and Herman Hurst and says there are other people who are dicks and assholes.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Jaffe never dealt with Ryan + Hulst.
Jim Ryan isn't really that involved with actual game creation & Herman was still just a dude at Guerilla when Jaffe was at Sony.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They are talking about the people who work at Sony now. He still has sources within Sony.
sncvsrtoip
Member
Jeff Ross didn't want Syphon Filter reboot (there was some interes in it from higher management) as he didn't have any idea for it is big one ;d
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remember_spinal
Banned
Summary from era
Pedro Motta
Member
Great interview. Brought a lot of clarity to some pending issues.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
The whole thing with local managment just sounds so messy. The cynical me thinks managment wanted to kill Days Gone because it's cemented them as a bottom tier dev in WWS, and used the sales number as an excuse to Jeff and John
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Jeff Ross basically said his sales figures come from gamstat. That's a website that uses data from trophies...meaning the 8M counts psnow and PSPlus users that played the game and had nothing to do with sales. PC numbers are from steamspy. He had no access to insider data on this
He also said it was Bend management that never pushed for a sequel with Sony. It wasn't Sony's fault because it wasn't proposed to them.
So many meltdowns on twitter and "fuck Sony" posts over nothing lmao
He also said it was Bend management that never pushed for a sequel with Sony. It wasn't Sony's fault because it wasn't proposed to them.
So many meltdowns on twitter and "fuck Sony" posts over nothing lmao
DeadOblivion78
Member
So basically information was overblown, just as usual? As expected of gamers, they tend to overreact to basically meaningless things.Jeff Ross basically said his sales figures come from gamstat. That's a website that uses data from trophies...meaning the 8M counts psnow and PSPlus users that played the game and had nothing to do with sales. PC numbers are from steamspy. He had no access to insider data on this
He also said it was Bend management that never pushed for a sequel with Sony. It wasn't Sony's fault because it wasn't proposed to them.
So many meltdowns on twitter and "fuck Sony" posts over nothing lmao
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
It's why i never take the opinions that sources tell Jason at face value. I've seen this every where I work. Clueless employees just like to bitch and moan about company politics and like to pretend to know what's going on.
There's always more to the story than what disgruntled or clueless employees will tell you
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
He actually complimented Sony as a good place to work.
He also said the Schreiber article overreacted in some ways as well but no one is surprised there.
remember_spinal
Banned
He later says the studio pitched a Syphon Filter reboot which got shot down. Then they pitched a open world game in the Resistance universe and it got shot down