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[tommib]

Nothing will change...you play PS5 for Sony's IPs ...if Sony manages to keep delivering great IPs like the last decade there wont be problem.

Also there are tons of new medium size developers and big ones that will bring enought games to Sony and Nintendo consoles if Microsof decides to keep all exclusive.

JIMBO! NO FUCKING AROUND ANYMORE. THIS WHAT WE NEED:

Demon’s Souls 2
Bloodborne 2
3 New Ueda games
Silent Hill 5 by Team Silent + Kojima (force them to work together)
Resident Evil 4 Remake exclusive (yes, stop fucking around)
Resident Evil 9 exclusive (again, don’t fuck around)
Metal Gear Solid 6 (but none of that open world crap)
Buy Devolver Digital
Half-Life Alyx PSVR2
PS1/2/3 games on the store to buy (none of that subscription nonsense like Nintendo)
New Housemarque heavy horror game
Control 2 exclusive

We need this for yesterday, thank you!

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I understand but those franchises dont move the needle

Playstation would be fine without every single one of them.

Microsoft buys Some studios
Playstation would be fine without Hellblade, Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland,

Microsoft buys Bethesda
Playstation would be fine without Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom and etc

Microsoft buys Activision
Playstation would be fine without Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom and etc

Microsoft buys Take Two
Playstation would be fine without GTA and Red Dead

Microsoft buys Capcom
Playstation would be fine without Monster Hunter, Street Fighter and Resident Evil

Microsoft buys Sony
Playstation would be fine without...oh wait

you must be special. COD does move the needle, GTA does move the needle. Monster Hunter, Elder scrolls… everything else you mentioned doesnt.

Microsoft has been offering money to COD to release first on xbox for years, then Sony wised up and did the same. Of course it moves the needle. But no the rest of the titles dont.

 

[Duchess]

Honestly, I feel like I'm the only PlayStation fan who doesn't really give a shit about this acquisition.

I was actually more annoyed when I thought that the next Plague Tale game, as well as the Space Marine sequel, were both Xbox exclusive ...

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Honestly, I feel like I'm the only PlayStation fan who doesn't really give a shit about this acquisition.

I was actually more annoyed when I thought that the next Plague Tale game, as well as the Space Marine sequel, were both Xbox exclusive ...

Don't give the rats anymore ideas

 

[Ogbert]

I think putting CoD on gamepass is already going to destroy its day one revenues which are literally half a billion even for the worst selling CODs. Even last year, CoD was the best selling game followed at number 3 by last year's CoD. COD still generates around $2 billion a year outside of warzone. Destiny's model is chump change compared to that.

This is definitely a massive deal. It wont affect the hardcore because the hardcore were never into COD. Half of this forum laughed at me recently because i said this years cod was actually good. But this will have ramifications beyond the hardcore. They will definitely lose a sizeable gaming audience. heads will roll at Sony. No idea if Jimbo gets the boot, but I suspect new blood will be brought in somewhere. Maybe acquisitions, or just new fresh blood in the leadership. Sony cannot compete with this and might want to rethink their strategy like Apple did back in the day. Focus on products. On quality. And give people something different. They already do this. They just need to double down and continue to develop new IPs.

I saw a Steve Jobs clip criticizing Microsoft floating around twitter that i wont post here because it might be console warring, but it's interesting to see the parallels. Apple knew they were done. That they couldnt compete with the juggernaut that was Microsoft and went and did they own thing. Created their own walled garden. Developed exclusive products and completely ditched Windows. I dont know if the current Sony leadership has a Steve Jobs there. Their CEO just signed a deal with MS to use azure. Signing a deal with your competition makes no sense but what do I know. Their PS CEO keeps putting his games on Windows, their rival MS's platform.

I just dont know if the current Sony leadership gets it. Nintendo is far more like Steve Job's Apple than Sony right now.

You’re right on Nintendo.

They went and did their own thing and now everyone picks up a Switch as a secondary platform. I’d love to see Sony try a Vita 2, as their technology is always so fantastic, but that’s hardly realistic now.

I don’t think Sony needs to do anything too dramatic. There is a fundamental reality to MS’ brute capital position that is impossible to prevent. It is what it is. My fear is that it will push Sony further into their Marvel stable, and we’ll see an emphasis on comic book drivel.

Their lack of attention to Japan feels ill judged and they will most assuredly have to work on a AAA fps. And who knows, maybe they will pick up a publisher themselves.

Interesting times.

 

[fart town usa]

Honestly, I feel like I'm the only PlayStation fan who doesn't really give a shit about this acquisition.

I was actually more annoyed when I thought that the next Plague Tale game, as well as the Space Marine sequel, were both Xbox exclusive ...

I don't give a shit about it either.

It's certainly a big deal but doesn't affect me in the slightest when it comes to the games that I play.

 

[SlimySnake]

What do you want Sony to do that they aren’t already doing?

Jimbo does not have a blank check

Their revenue has gone up ten fold since the PS2 era. They need to up their investment in their internal first party studios and no i dont mean by acquisitions. Every studio needs 3 teams of 500 people. And they all need to be in 3 year dev cycle. GG, SSM, Sucker Punch, and Sony Bend can no longer take 5 years to make 1 last gen sequel. They need to be at least as productive as Insomniac and at best as productive as the CoD studios who have managed to release a new CoD every year for the last 14 years without ever missing a deadline or taking longer than 2-3 years.

There is simply no excuse for having 100 man teams over at Sucker Punch and Sony Bend. Or 200-300 men teams at GG, ND and SSM. This isnt a mom and pop shop.

It would not require a blank check. Hiring devs does not cost billions. They come very cheap. ND games in the PS3 era used to cost $20 million when they had 150 person teams making games on a 2 year dev cycle. Even 5 $100 million games from their five internal first party studios every year is pennies compared to what MS just spent on one game per year.

What can Jimbo do different? Dont port your precious IPs to Microsoft's platform for once. Dont waste your time porting games when you can be putting extra resoruces getting games like Horizon out in 2021. If he can hire a studio to port Days Gone, GOW, Horizon and uncharted to PC then he can hire them to help GG, PD and SSM to ship in 2021.

And lastly, Apple made their name by producing the iPod, high end iMacs and of course the iPhone. They were at the forefront of technology. They didnt give a fuck how much they cost. They wanted the latest and greatest tech knowing people would pay top dollar for it. Horizon, GOW and GT7 being cross gen is dated tech and they will not convert any fence sitters into buying their games and consoles.

 

[KAL2006]

you must be special. COD does move the needle, GTA does move the needle. Monster Hunter, Elder scrolls… everything else you mentioned doesnt.

Microsoft has been offering money to COD to release first on xbox for years, then Sony wised up and did the same. Of course it moves the needle. But no the rest of the titles dont.

The rest do move the needle as a whole. Once all those studios start firing all cylinders and Microsoft have a big game every month that's exclusive Sony won't be able to compete. God of War and Gran Turismos take years to develop, if Microsoft buy up all the 3rd parties they are fucked. Activision being bought is big not just because Activision was bought, but because this means Capcom, Ubisoft, WB and etc all can be bought by Microsoft.

 

[MOTM]

They've always been a big player in esports. That had nothing to do with zenimax

and this stuff doesn't happen in days lmao

Was being sarcastic

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

JIMBO! NO FUCKING AROUND ANYMORE. THIS WHAT WE NEED:

Tribalism is a hell of a drug

 

[Northeastmonk]

Whatever. Same people trying to make Sony fans feel bad complained about CoD being the same every year, World of Warcraft wasn’t at its peak anymore, and people not purchasing Diablo because it was part of the Activision ecosystem.
People complained about how janky Bethesda’s games were too.

How do you go from that hole in the ground to “omgz what will us Sony fans do?”.

This isn’t warring, but Sony still has fans in the Far East. We already saw Xbox get slammed overseas to the point where they weren’t selling new systems in Japan. Did Activision, Blizzard, or Bethesda triumph on consoles? Nope. Same community, same PC platform, same results. Will this change anything? I can’t exactly mourn a loss. It’ll be down the road when we don’t get Call of Duty. Is Activision publishing another From Software game? Bandai-Namco is doing that.

It’s one of those things where I need to witness it before I believe it. A lot of this is just a hot take on a big takeover. 70 billion and you had people already writing this developer and publisher off like they had nothing great to make.

 

[tommib]

Tribalism is a hell of a drug

Yawn! Can’t you see what a joke is?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

I think putting CoD on gamepass is already going to destroy its day one revenues which are literally half a billion even for the worst selling CODs. Even last year, CoD was the best selling game followed at number 3 by last year's CoD. COD still generates around $2 billion a year outside of warzone. Destiny's model is chump change compared to that.

This is definitely a massive deal. It wont affect the hardcore because the hardcore were never into COD. Half of this forum laughed at me recently because i said this years cod was actually good. But this will have ramifications beyond the hardcore. They will definitely lose a sizeable gaming audience. heads will roll at Sony. No idea if Jimbo gets the boot, but I suspect new blood will be brought in somewhere. Maybe acquisitions, or just new fresh blood in the leadership. Sony cannot compete with this and might want to rethink their strategy like Apple did back in the day. Focus on products. On quality. And give people something different. They already do this. They just need to double down and continue to develop new IPs.

I saw a Steve Jobs clip criticizing Microsoft floating around twitter that i wont post here because it might be console warring, but it's interesting to see the parallels. Apple knew they were done. That they couldnt compete with the juggernaut that was Microsoft and went and did they own thing. Created their own walled garden. Developed exclusive products and completely ditched Windows. I dont know if the current Sony leadership has a Steve Jobs there. Their CEO just signed a deal with MS to use azure. Signing a deal with your competition makes no sense but what do I know. Their PS CEO keeps putting his games on Windows, their rival MS's platform.

I just dont know if the current Sony leadership gets it. Nintendo is far more like Steve Job's Apple than Sony right now.

Well said. Sony's strategy of fully supporting their platform with big new IPs, peripherals and deals with with publishers was really working for them during the entire PS4 gen. But in the last 2 years, for whatever reason, they kinda changed their direction and seems like they're trying to follow MS footsteps. And I'm not sure if that's going to work as good as they want it to.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Their revenue has gone up ten fold since the PS2 era. They need to up their investment in their internal first party studios and no i dont mean by acquisitions. Every studio needs 3 teams of 500 people. And they all need to be in 3 year dev cycle. GG, SSM, Sucker Punch, and Sony Bend can no longer take 5 years to make 1 last gen sequel. They need to be at least as productive as Insomniac and at best as productive as the CoD studios who have managed to release a new CoD every year for the last 14 years without ever missing a deadline or taking longer than 2-3 years.

There is simply no excuse for having 100 man teams over at Sucker Punch and Sony Bend. Or 200-300 men teams at GG, ND and SSM. This isnt a mom and pop shop.

It would not require a blank check. Hiring devs does not cost billions. They come very cheap. ND games in the PS3 era used to cost $20 million when they had 150 person teams making games on a 2 year dev cycle. Even 5 $100 million games from their five internal first party studios every year is pennies compared to what MS just spent on one game per year.

What can Jimbo do different? Dont port your precious IPs to Microsoft's platform for once. Dont waste your time porting games when you can be putting extra resoruces getting games like Horizon out in 2021. If he can hire a studio to port Days Gone, GOW, Horizon and uncharted to PC then he can hire them to help GG, PD and SSM to ship in 2021.

And lastly, Apple made their name by producing the iPod, high end iMacs and of course the iPhone. They were at the forefront of technology. They didnt give a fuck how much they cost. They wanted the latest and greatest tech knowing people would pay top dollar for it. Horizon, GOW and GT7 being cross gen is dated tech and they will not convert any fence sitters into buying their games and consoles.

The industry isn’t a limitless supply of talent they can just go out and hire

It takes a long time to build up, and those studios are growing

Lol @ Apple ever being bleeding edge

They never have the best hardware on paper

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Was being sarcastic

Apologies I cannot detect sarcasm while in this state of mind

 

[Lunarorbit]

I wonder how rumors of Microsoft buying AB affected Sony and their multiplayer strategy.

We haven't heard shit from naughty dog about tlou factions besides vague murmurs of it being a brand new way to experience mp and an emphasis on cinematics. What does this deal mean? The game is finished (close to being finished) so this will be Sonys first Salvo in the mp war.

It better be a good one

 

[tommib]

Apologies I cannot detect sarcasm while in this state of mind

 

[TintoConCasera]

Apologies I cannot detect sarcasm while in this state of mind

Sending you a virtual hug dude, which is something MS will never be able to purchase.

 

[SlimySnake]

The industry isn’t a limitless supply of talent they can just go out and hire

It takes a long time to build up, and those studios are growing

I think big publishers like EA, Ubisoft, Activision were able to acquire the talent they needed to get these games out fast.

Sony needs to increase their investment and if they have to pay more to acquire talent then so be it. It will still be cheaper than acquiring a studio.

Almost all AAA studios are based out of LA anyway. If Ubisoft can stock up people up in Montreal and Paris then surely the west coast should be an easier venture.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Yawn! Can’t you see what a joke is?

 

[Lognor]

Now you're approaching willful ignorance . The chart covers a five year period and includes the first half of fiscal year 2022. The trend will not magically disappear.

Dude, look at your own chart. Do you know how to read a chart? In 2018 and 2019 Nintendo sold more software than all third parties combined. In 2021 it looks about even and the only time that third party software has sold more is in the first half of 2022. Not even a full year! And you conveniently focus on the one half that has one of the biggest IPs in the world - Monster Hunter release on Switch. Of course that will skew things.

But without Monster Hunter the Nintendo Switch would be fine. Look at the results you've posted yourself! You're delusional if you think Microsoft's actions will have a material impact on Nintendo. Nintendo is the market leader and they got there because of their own IP

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

I don't buy MS, so if Sony is done, good bye gaming.

 

[tommib]

Oh man that last pic killed me.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think big publishers like EA, Ubisoft, Activision were able to acquire the talent they needed to get these games out fast.

Sony needs to increase their investment and if they have to pay more to acquire talent then so be it. It will still be cheaper than acquiring a studio.

Almost all AAA studios are based out of LA anyway. If Ubisoft can stock up people up in Montreal and Paris then surely the west coast should be an easier venture.

Sure, if you want Sony first party to turn into EA…

 

[Ogbert]

The industry isn’t a limitless supply of talent they can just go out and hire

It takes a long time to build up, and those studios are growing

Talent is vastly overrated.

You need 30 or so people that have a very clear vision of what they want. They then can tell competent professionals what to do.

SlimySnake is right. Sony’s development cycle is too long for certain titles.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I don't buy MS, so if Sony is done, good bye gaming.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

I have no problem with that man and doing something else with my life, enjoy your MS!

 

[Dave_at_Home]

As someone that owns a Series X and loves Game Pass...

I'm still looking forward to buying a PS5. If anything I hope this galvanizes Sony even further and makes them hyper focus on more diverse amazing exclusives. Future will be interesting indeed.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

The rest do move the needle as a whole. Once all those studios start firing all cylinders and Microsoft have a big game every month that's exclusive Sony won't be able to compete. God of War and Gran Turismos take years to develop, if Microsoft buy up all the 3rd parties they are fucked. Activision being bought is big not just because Activision was bought, but because this means Capcom, Ubisoft, WB and etc all can be bought by Microsoft.

How wont Sony not be able to compete? Microsoft has always been the bigger company making the bigger moves. Sony will be fine.

Buying Japanese studios isnt really a money issue. More of a Japanese government issue.

Anyways the game that can rock the oceans is Call of Duty. Lets see what they do with it. Can’t believe Microsoft got a 30 billion discount on Activision because of sexual harassment. Makes me think they leaked it themselves, and if they did…They are brilliant.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I have no problem with that man and doing something else with my life, enjoy your MS!

You'll be missing out dude, probably should expand your "gaming horizons".

I mean it's fine to only like Sony games as some if not most of them are between good and really awesome, but come on, there's much more in gaming than that.

 

[ChiefDada]

Dude, look at your own chart. Do you know how to read a chart? In 2018 and 2019 Nintendo sold more software than all third parties combined. In 2021 it looks about even and the only time that third party software has sold more is in the first half of 2022. Not even a full year! And you conveniently focus on the one half that has one of the biggest IPs in the world - Monster Hunter release on Switch. Of course that will skew things.

But without Monster Hunter the Nintendo Switch would be fine. Look at the results you've posted yourself! You're delusional if you think Microsoft's actions will have a material impact on Nintendo. Nintendo is the market leader and they got there because of their own IP

Nearly everything you've said here is wrong. You're focusing on 2018 and 2019 when you're better off focusing on the change from 2018/2019 vs 2020-2022. Would you invest in Walmart as opposed to Amazon as a retailer because Walmart was the number one retailer in 2000?

Simple fact is Nintendo software revenue is increasingly dependent on 3rd party as opposed to 1st party titles. You can't say Nintendo is self sustainable by 1st party alone when their profit is derived from >50% software revenue from 3rd party software.

Seriously this is a basic concept and I don't understand why you can't grasp this.

 

[Lognor]

Nearly everything you've said here is wrong. You're focusing on 2018 and 2019 when you're better off focusing on the change from 2018/2019 vs 2020-2022. Would you invest in Walmart as opposed to Amazon as a retailer because Walmart was the number one retailer in 2000?

Simple fact is Nintendo software revenue is increasingly dependent on 3rd party as opposed to 1st party titles. You can't say Nintendo is self sustainable by 1st party alone when their profit is derived from >50% software revenue from 3rd party software.

Seriously this is a basic concept and I don't understand why you can't grasp this.

But that's not true at all. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games first and foremost. Just look at the sales. Look at the top ten best selling games on Switch. They are all Nintendo games. They do not rely on third party content. That is ridiculous. You need to learn to analyze data, my friend, because you are way off. Nintendo's IP are why people buy the console. You are looking at one half of a year to draw absurd conclusions. I don't think I can help you.

 

[tommib]

Please don’t fight. Only individual meltdowns allowed.

 

[GHG]

Nearly everything you've said here is wrong. You're focusing on 2018 and 2019 when you're better off focusing on the change from 2018/2019 vs 2020-2022. Would you invest in Walmart as opposed to Amazon as a retailer because Walmart was the number one retailer in 2000?

Simple fact is Nintendo software revenue is increasingly dependent on 3rd party as opposed to 1st party titles. You can't say Nintendo is self sustainable by 1st party alone when their profit is derived from >50% software revenue from 3rd party software.

Seriously this is a basic concept and I don't understand why you can't grasp this.

Yep, same for PlayStation, the bulk of the revenues for these companies come as a result of the cut from 3rd party sales.

The hardware is the nightclub and the first party games are the pretty ladies at the door that entice you to pay the entry fee. But the real money is made from the drinks you buy once you're in - these are the 3rd party games and microtransactions (shots if we need an equivalent analogy).

But that's not true at all. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games first and foremost. Just look at the sales. Look at the top ten best selling games on Switch. They are all Nintendo games. They do not rely on third party content. That is ridiculous. You need to learn to analyze data, my friend, because you are way off. Nintendo's IP are why people buy the console. You are looking at one half of a year to draw absurd conclusions. I don't think I can help you.

If you want to go down this road and start insulting people then show everyone the data to back up your point. It shouldn't be difficult to do if you're correct.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Yep, same for PlayStation, the bulk of the revenues for these companies come as a result of the cut from 3rd party sales.

People keep saying this but can you actually provide a source?

 

[Lognor]

Yep, same for PlayStation, the bulk of the revenues for these companies come as a result of the cut from 3rd party sales.

The hardware is the nightclub and the first party games are the pretty ladies at the door that entice you to pay the entry fee. But the real money is made from the drinks you buy once you're in - these are the 3rd party games and microtransactions (shots if we need an equivalent analogy).



If you want to go down this road and start insulting people then show everyone the data to back up your point. It shouldn't be difficult to do if you're correct.

I was not insulting people. LOL wtf?

And here you go: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

All the data you need. If you need any more help, let me know. thx

 

[tommib]

I think Ricky was right. This is what happens without VRR.

 

[GHG]

People keep saying this but can you actually provide a source?

Here:

Sony revealed that 338.9 million games had been sold on PS4 and PS5. About 58.4 million or 17 percent of the figure were first-party titles...

Sony Expects Increase in Revenue From First-Party Titles in Fiscal Year 2021

gamingbolt.com

Bonus for microtransactions:

Even with the PS5 shortage, Sony’s PlayStation had a record year

Sony's video game business had its most profitable year ever, thanks to the Covid-19 pandemic turning everyone in the world into gamers. That was despite the global semiconductor shortage.

qz.com

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I was not insulting people. LOL wtf?

And here you go: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

All the data you need. If you need any more help, let me know. thx

Oh my sweet summer child. So Where's the data to show us how that compares to 3rd party content sold on Nintendo platforms? Where are the revenue splits?

 

[GigaBowser]

Yep, same for PlayStation, the bulk of the revenues for these companies come as a result of the cut from 3rd party sales.

The hardware is the nightclub and the first party games are the pretty ladies at the door that entice you to pay the entry fee. But the real money is made from the drinks you buy once you're in - these are the 3rd party games and microtransactions (shots if we need an equivalent analogy).



If you want to go down this road and start insulting people then show everyone the data to back up your point. It shouldn't be difficult to do if you're correct.

Revenue is pretty overrated.

Profit >>>

 

[Edgelord79]

I think CoD will just continue the downward spiral

There is absolutely zero talent left at those studios, it’s just a factory for building the McDonald’s equivalent of gaming

Can't stand these games, bit this is a tired old opinion. Every year this opinion and every year it sells gangbusters. There is an obvious market for this game.

 

[ChiefDada]

I was not insulting people. LOL wtf?

And here you go: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

All the data you need. If you need any more help, let me know. thx

Hey friend, I'm not trying to argue, insult, fight, etc. Just healthy discussions.

In regards to the data you provided, you posted top selling games, and I'm not disagreeing with you there. I posted total dollar value and their relative sources (1st vs 3rd party). All of the units in your list are accounted for in the grey bars of my earlier chart. Even still, the green bars representing 3rd party games has a higher gross revenue amount. Put in another way, if Nintendo only sold 1st party, their profits would suffer significantly.

 

[Topher]

I'm not worried. PlayStation is still bigger than Xbox.

See?

 

[ChiefDada]

Here:

Sony revealed that 338.9 million games had been sold on PS4 and PS5. About 58.4 million or 17 percent of the figure were first-party titles...

Sony Expects Increase in Revenue From First-Party Titles in Fiscal Year 2021

gamingbolt.com

The fact that this is news to people is news to me.

 

[Stuart360]

I think Sony will be fine to be honest, they have a lot of loyal fans. And even if COD does go Xbox/PC exclusive, i still think PS5 will 'win' this gen.
I think the days of double playstation over Xbox sales are over though ,and who knows what will happen next gen.

 

[KAL2006]

I don't know why it took me this long to realise but I now have to either buy a PC or Xbox when Diablo 4 launches. I could happily ignore COD but it will be hard for me to not play a new Diablo. Fuck sake this just made gaming more expensive for me. Hopefully by the time Diablo 4 drops building a PC is cheaper and Sony are 100 percent guaranteed to release all their games on PC even if it means later I don't mind or Xbox Series X can be bought for cheap.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Where do we go? I'm going into the next 2 months anxiously waiting to play Horizon and GT7.

It will take MS years to have anything fruitful come from this purchase.

 

[Roni]

We just need MS to buy EA for the killing blow. No COD and no FIFA that's too much for the casual audience that's PlayStation bread and butter.

Given 2042's state, this has to have been discussed by BOTH Microsoft and Sony.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Here:

Sony revealed that 338.9 million games had been sold on PS4 and PS5. About 58.4 million or 17 percent of the figure were first-party titles...

Sony Expects Increase in Revenue From First-Party Titles in Fiscal Year 2021

gamingbolt.com

Right, here's a tweet from Zhuge which has a chart showing this as well.




No doubt COD becoming exclusive to the Xbox/Microsoft/PC ecosystem will have a detrimental effect on Sony's revenue but enough to start choking first party game development? I doubt it however I don't want to jump to conclusions until after the dust settles which won't be for a while. Aside from COD there's other third party MP juggernauts which Sony benefit from (through MTX and such) such as GTA, Fortnite and Fifa + others.

 

[Lognor]

Hey friend, I'm not trying to argue, insult, fight, etc. Just healthy discussions.

In regards to the data you provided, you posted top selling games, and I'm not disagreeing with you there. I posted total dollar value and their relative sources (1st vs 3rd party). All of the units in your list are accounted for in the grey bars of my earlier chart. Even still, the green bars representing 3rd party games has a higher gross revenue amount. Put in another way, if Nintendo only sold 1st party, their profits would suffer significantly.

Of course their numbers would be affected, but not to the same extent as Sony. Sony relies heavily on third party game sales.

Look at the top selling games in the US in 2021. Nintendo has five in the top 20 (which does not include digital sales so we are probably looking at even more if those were included). Sony only has 2.

On the third party front only four of the games in the top 20 are available on Switch. And one of those is Minecraft, a Microsoft game, that is still being sold on Switch.

So in order for Microsoft to have a material impact on Nintendo's business they would have to acquire a ton of smaller publishers that actually release games on the Switch. The games sold on Switch are so diverse. A ton of those are indies. Microsoft would need to take a lot of action to have any impact. Not the same with Sony. They acquire Activision and that has a HUGE impact on Sony. The two top selling games in the US in 2021 were both Activision games! And now those games will no longer be available on Playstation. Not the same.

 

[KAL2006]

Where do we go? I'm going into the next 2 months anxiously waiting to play Horizon and GT7.

It will take MS years to have anything fruitful come from this purchase.

Yes but it would be stupid to not think about that future. Some of the fruits will be appearing as soon as fall 2022 with Starfield.

I no doubt going to have to own 2 systems now or just go PC only if Sony release their games on PC without a doubt. If I go the 2 console route I have to decide which will be my primary console for multiplatform while the othe will be the exclusive games player. I'm leaning towards Series X being the primary system and PS5 being the exclusives only machine.