Ass of Can Whooping
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Right but my point was the premium has nothing to do with market value
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Analysts give opinions on Sony acquiring EA, Ubisoft or Take Two in response to Acti-Blizz deal
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Right but my point was the premium has nothing to do with market value
Ass of Can Whooping
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Acquisitions on this scale would be through Sony Group not SIE
Not that it would make any difference. Come on lol
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TGO
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You serious?
yurinka
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I think that for Sony it would make more sense to buy the FIFA license than EA and put a new San Diego team or the one who makes MLB to work on it. And then to buy Sega and turn Football Manager into FIFA Football Manager with all the licenses.
That would be way cheaper and more profitable than to buy EA.
Regarding acquisitons, if someone would buy them is because of the amount of money they generate. And seems that for most AAA publishers or IPs PlayStation is their main platfor in terms of revenue, so I don't think they'd want to remove them from PS. Even MS, who could have blocked the PS release of games, updates or dlcs released post acquisitions of many big Mojang/Zenimax studios/IPs they acquired and didn't do it.
They prefer to get the PS money instead of keeping it on the table. Because they moved away from focusing only on their console, and now they prefer a full multiplatform approach that also includes PC and mobile, with a main focus on Gamepass.
That would be way cheaper and more profitable than to buy EA.
Well, PS has a huge catalog an each player is fan of different games or companies. In my case, I don't give a fuck about Zenimax, Activision, EA, Take 2, Ubisoft or Square Enix and most modern Sega games. In my case it only would affect me with Capcom and in a few cases (specially with ancient, unused IPs) Sega. But obviously I'd prefer to keep having all them there.
Regarding acquisitons, if someone would buy them is because of the amount of money they generate. And seems that for most AAA publishers or IPs PlayStation is their main platfor in terms of revenue, so I don't think they'd want to remove them from PS. Even MS, who could have blocked the PS release of games, updates or dlcs released post acquisitions of many big Mojang/Zenimax studios/IPs they acquired and didn't do it.
They prefer to get the PS money instead of keeping it on the table. Because they moved away from focusing only on their console, and now they prefer a full multiplatform approach that also includes PC and mobile, with a main focus on Gamepass.
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Kerotan
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They 100% could afford Ubi and Capcom. T2 is the big question.
Leyasu
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Of course. Both Sony or Microsoft would pay a premium for EA.
SenjutsuSage
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Hate to disappoint some, but it will cost Sony a lot more than people think. The price won't be EA's marketshare, it will be much higher. What's more, it's guaranteed unlike Microsoft, U.S. regulators would block the EA deal. Less of a chance of blocking the Take Two deal, but I believe that, too, would be blocked. Sony is in a more dominant position in the gaming market than Microsoft is, and everybody knows that. Them acquiring EA or Take Two would definitely be considered a horizontal style merger because despite Microsoft still chipping away with Xbox for a few gens now, they're still not seen as a "gaming company" the same way Sony and Playstation is synonymous with gaming.
Microsoft's top business is nowhere close to being gaming. In fact, they have numerous business that outperform gaming. For Sony, however, their strongest performing business for many years now has been the Playstation business. Yes, they have a successful financial services business, but Playstation is what they are most known for, all things that would work against them with U.S. regulators. Not just that, Microsoft's lobbyists would almost certainly behind the scenes be against the move, further tipping the scales against Sony and this deal.
Sony has a much better shot at getting Ubisoft that's headquartered in France, but EA and Take Two will definitely be a no go. This isn't just a regulatory matter, but a political one also, and Microsoft has a lot of political influence over here in America. Plus on a pure regulatory basis, Sony is seen as the undisputed industry leader. It's much more difficult for them to acquire a major player like EA or Take Two than it is for Microsoft, whose gaming business is seen as well behind Sony's own, to acquire an even bigger fish like Activision Blizzard. Also, it helps Microsoft has very little presence in the mobile market. Minecraft is big, but whenever you bring up Minecraft it only serves as an example of fair play on Microsoft's part by not removing it from being sold on non Microsoft preferred platforms.
Microsoft's top business is nowhere close to being gaming. In fact, they have numerous business that outperform gaming. For Sony, however, their strongest performing business for many years now has been the Playstation business. Yes, they have a successful financial services business, but Playstation is what they are most known for, all things that would work against them with U.S. regulators. Not just that, Microsoft's lobbyists would almost certainly behind the scenes be against the move, further tipping the scales against Sony and this deal.
Sony has a much better shot at getting Ubisoft that's headquartered in France, but EA and Take Two will definitely be a no go. This isn't just a regulatory matter, but a political one also, and Microsoft has a lot of political influence over here in America. Plus on a pure regulatory basis, Sony is seen as the undisputed industry leader. It's much more difficult for them to acquire a major player like EA or Take Two than it is for Microsoft, whose gaming business is seen as well behind Sony's own, to acquire an even bigger fish like Activision Blizzard. Also, it helps Microsoft has very little presence in the mobile market. Minecraft is big, but whenever you bring up Minecraft it only serves as an example of fair play on Microsoft's part by not removing it from being sold on non Microsoft preferred platforms.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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naaaa, they'd rather purchase Ubisoft, Capcom, Square or from software. EA is fucking dead without Fifa. What's the point with take2!!!
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lastmessiah
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What the hell would Sony gain from purchasing Capcom or Square?
Ass of Can Whooping
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There's not a chance in hell Sony would get blocked for genuine anti-trust concerns. The same goes for Microsoft. Neither has a monopoly. It'd all come down to political motivation
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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The assurance that MS is not buying them. Because MS buying those 2 (I'm shure they will) would hurt more Sony than what MS has done before.
lastmessiah
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Capcom's bestselling game is on PC, Xbox, and PS and hasn't even hit twenty million. Its second bestselling game is also on all platforms and sold seven million. So how would an expensive acquisition of Capcom make sense for Sony?
Square makes even less sense. Their games don't sell well at all.
Cyber_hunter026
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Lots of benefits both gaming and for their entertainment/movie division. for Capcom, sony own EVO, so getting street fighter and MVC would be beneficial. they also produce Capcom's resident evil movies both live action and animated from Sony Japan entertainment so there's that. as far as I'm aware they've worked with square and Capcom the closest in comparison to take-two and EA this generation. Something Sony has been very vocal about when it comes to acquiring which is studios or partners they have a working or close working relationship with.
lastmessiah
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What does this even mean? What is this close working relationship you speak of?
tpieman2029
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Square would have to be defensive because sony is already getting most their big titles as timed exclusives
Capcom would be interesting but they get so much of their market value from sales on pc and switch you would be paying a ton and then crashing what makes them valuable. Could say the same about xbox and cod but at least it will stay on pc.
Individual studios like fromsoft (and maybe the entire parent company for the anime empire), bunjie (which would cover the fps gap and really hurt xbox optics wise) or cpdr (way over valued and doesn't actually own their ips but the brand recognition plus needing some wrpgs would be interesting) would be the way to go.
Capcom would be interesting but they get so much of their market value from sales on pc and switch you would be paying a ton and then crashing what makes them valuable. Could say the same about xbox and cod but at least it will stay on pc.
Individual studios like fromsoft (and maybe the entire parent company for the anime empire), bunjie (which would cover the fps gap and really hurt xbox optics wise) or cpdr (way over valued and doesn't actually own their ips but the brand recognition plus needing some wrpgs would be interesting) would be the way to go.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Most of Square's AAA games are PS exclusives. They're already basically in bed together
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Cyber_hunter026
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Have you not been paying attention? look how many exclusive deals, timed or not square has with sony? they are deals yes but they've been closely associated with sony this generation. as for Capcom, they allowed the team that developed resident evil village film on sony's mocap stage/studio.
lastmessiah
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So, you're talking about moneyhats. With all these moneyhats, if Sony could just buy the companies outright, or even wanted to, then they would have already.
TheGodfather07
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On the western side, ubisoft would be a better move. What could sony do with far cry, splinter cell, AC, Rayman etc.. that would actually be exciting for the industry. I feel like EA belong with Microsoft because they are similar in many ways but would it even be worth it, if the sports games have to be multiplat? though they will have both cod and battlefield.
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Cyber_hunter026
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Not necessarily, deals take time. as well as acquisitions. there is variables that factor in these sit downs between publishers and corporations. and as I said before, they seem to be interested in developers or partners they closely work with. you wanted the reasons why it would benefit sony in a way, I provided.
Sosokrates
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Whats the point in making a thread on such a poor article.
Its literally just some person saying they could buy EA, but take 2 and Ubi would be cheaper...
No shit...
A 1000 gaf posters have already said stuff like this.. infact most gaf comments are more insightful and detailed then this shallow and dull excuse of an article.
Its literally just some person saying they could buy EA, but take 2 and Ubi would be cheaper...
No shit...
A 1000 gaf posters have already said stuff like this.. infact most gaf comments are more insightful and detailed then this shallow and dull excuse of an article.
Cyber_hunter026
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The problem with the developers you chose is that. A). Fromsoftware is apart of large entity already, not to mention I can't see them selling. they seem to be riding high on the souls train and are eating good, and will elden ring drops. both bungie and CDPR value their independence, especially CDPR who revealed several publishers offered to acquire them but they flat out turned down each offer. bungie just escaped from both Microsoft and Activision's jaws, and seem to be content with their independence.
rodrigolfp
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Most??? I can't remember a single one...
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NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Halo infinite.
Ass of Can Whooping
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FF7R, FF16, Forspoken and the next AAA IP they're supposed to announce is meant to be PS exclusive too
SlimeGooGoo
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NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Are you sure I only have xbox so that's bad news
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
FF7R is on pc and Forspoken will be too day 1. FF16, like FF7R, will almost certainly be on pc too. Not to mention TR games, Deus EX, Hitman are all under Square too...
TheGodfather07
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I think the biggest is only about 3B but that doesn't mean they cant go higher than that. Put it this way, if the big wigs at sony really wanted to aquire a publisher, they could afford it. Not every publisher is as big as Activision.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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This is about the console side of things if that wasn't obvious already.
Tomb Raider and Deus Ex are dead, and Hitman is under IO interactive. Square has nothing to do with that outside of just handing them a license.
The Japanese division is the bread and butter of Square Enix right now and the only console most of those will be on is PS
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TheDreadLord
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At which stage of grief are we?
Elder Legend
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The hollywood reporter that's mentioned in the article is a fucking moron and knows.nothing about the gaming industry. Eddie from GameSpot I've met in person, so I am not knocking gamespot here since they are just reporting on what the hollywood douche has said.
EA is on Game Pass, no chance in hell. EA would not even fit Sony to be fair. I'd rather have Sony purchase Capcom or Square Enix. Hollywood fuckwit needs to stay where he belongs and keep going with their usual SJW propaganda in hollywood. Fuck off hollywood reporter and stay out of gaming and shut your mouth.
EA is on Game Pass, no chance in hell. EA would not even fit Sony to be fair. I'd rather have Sony purchase Capcom or Square Enix. Hollywood fuckwit needs to stay where he belongs and keep going with their usual SJW propaganda in hollywood. Fuck off hollywood reporter and stay out of gaming and shut your mouth.
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rodrigolfp
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Why should we care about consoles only??? Sony buying Square could affect pc games at least not having day 1 versions anymore. And sure jam about TR and Deux EX being dead. There is also Guardians of the galaxy, Avengers...
BusierDonkey
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EA would be a good get just for IP and licensing. Honestly if anyone is buying EA it's Microsoft, they already have a massive presence with EA Play being included in Gamepass.
I think the next big acquisition will be when Microsoft pulls the trigger and buys Sega next Wednesday. Since announcing they are acquiring Activision the money Microsoft has just sitting around probably made them another $20B which should more than cover it and a few other studios.
I think the next big acquisition will be when Microsoft pulls the trigger and buys Sega next Wednesday. Since announcing they are acquiring Activision the money Microsoft has just sitting around probably made them another $20B which should more than cover it and a few other studios.
I collect VHS tapes
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MS would just outbid Sony
Ass of Can Whooping
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Care about whatever you want. The point of the discussion is why Sony would buy Square and part of that is their relationship with most of their AAA games being PS exclusives. Whether there are PC ports involved is irrelevent.
Square Enix Europe is a failure. You're not going to see another Deus Ex from them. Avengers was a failure and only Guardians potentially did well. Again, Square Japan is where their main focus is and those guys are in bed with Sony.
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rodrigolfp
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Again they are not exclusives to PS and pc ports are irrelevant maybe for the dirty peasants...
Ass of Can Whooping
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I've got a PC. I'm sorry if you feel offended that your platform has no relevance here
Lognor
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If they're already in bed with Sony why the hell would Sony buy them? They already get what they need from them.
If anything maybe Microsoft will buy SE to end that incestuous relationship with Sony.
SplunkyMunkey
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I would love Sony to buy EA. Bring on Red Alert 4! And since EA owns Bullfrog aswell I would love a theme park remaster
Ass of Can Whooping
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You already answered your question
Elder Legend
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Bring on a new proper entry in dungeon keeper please and black & white.
Fear of retaliation mode has officially began
People who cheered for consolidation are in for a bad surprise when they'll realize that this year is unlikely to end without a major acquisition and it won't be by MS who has to keep a low profile at least until their Activision deal is approved.
People should be prepared for either Capcom or Square to join/merge with SIE imo.
Lognor
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Well they wouldn't Microsoft just outbid Sony? They have a lot more cash than Sony
Woopah
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In general SE does have a love of making deals. They have Crystal Dynamics supporting Microsoft, and then on the Japan side of things you have the FF teams in bed with Sony and Team Asano is in bed with Nintnedo. We just need to see if the Enix side is in bed with anyone.