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[wolffy71]

Sony owning bungie will be true but people are getting a tad carried away with the "they can do whatever.

If they have a contract with terms on it and then violate those agreements they would open themselves to a lawsuit.

I have no idea what terms if any were laid out but sony will be following them if they exist... such as a certain level of autonomy or control. Again if it even exists.

 

[tmlDan]

Could this multiplatform scenario have to do with investments from other companies in Bungie?

NetEase invested in Bungie and that may be why they're obligated, at the moment, to release games multiplatform for the foreseeable future.

I don't have much other than potentially $100M invested in bungie by NetEase.

Here: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/bungie-software/company_financials

 

[TrebleShot]

It’s not really that. It’s correcting a mistake they made two generations ago in order to stay competitive in 2022. They threw all their chips in the single player pile after Uncharted‘s success while GAAS games became the big money makers. Fortnite alone makes $5 BILLION a year. Sony couldn’t wait until the PS6 to organically grow a GAAS studio, Bungie is already successful as an independent studio focusing on GAAS, so this fills in a big gap in Sony’s development muscle.

But Fortnite is available on everything including some Android potato phones.
It makes no sense for SONY to spend this kind of cash then gatekeep their games to a single device, they aren't as big as MS and therefore the idea of keeping to one platform just because the hardcore Sony fans don't like it means very little in comparison to the numbers your talking about.

 

[Swift_Star]

You can read the official blog post on PlayStation.blog or Bungie's own FAQs.


Yes, Sony has acquired Bungie. Yes, Bungie is joining PlayStation BUT Sony has agreed to let Bungie operate as if they are independent (can self-publish) and have clearly stated that their games will be on multiple platforms which includes the Xbox.

How this acquisition dressed as a partnership evolves in the future is anyone's guess but the fact based on what is said as of this moment → their titles will be on all platforms (including Xbox).

Ok bud, you and your friends can believe that all you want. Reality will hit you hard sooner or later.

 

[Swift_Star]

That was an editorialization not a direct quote

I’m really amazed people are falling for PR BS. As if they don’t know how these companies operate. Really, is it innocence or wishful thinking?

 

[ManaByte]

But Fortnite is available on everything including some Android potato phones.
It makes no sense for SONY to spend this kind of cash then gatekeep their games to a single device, they aren't as big as MS and therefore the idea of keeping to one platform just because the hardcore Sony fans don't like it means very little in comparison to the numbers your talking about.

Well Bungie and Ryan have been pretty clear on what the plan is, people are trying to make it fit what they want it to be though.

 

[Negotiator101]

Ok bud, you and your friends can believe that all you want. Reality will hit you hard sooner or later.

There is a press release from Bungie, you need to go read it I think.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Well Bungie and Ryan have been pretty clear on what the plan is, people are trying to make it fit what they want it to be though.

It's funny seeing you off all people extropolate quotes and buy into PR fluff

Here's a reminder of what Todd said when Xbox bought them

Like our original partnership, this one is about more than one system or one screen. We share a deep belief in the fundamental power of games, in their ability to connect, empower, and bring joy. And a belief we should bring that to everyone - regardless of who you are, where you live, or what you play on. Regardless of the screen size, the controller, or your ability to even use one.

 

[Swift_Star]

There is a press release from Bungie, you need to go read it I think.

I read it. It’s PR BS. Just like Phil did with Bethesda and is now doing with A/B. Keep drinking the kool-aid bud.

 

[Spacefish]

This seems like the first obvious sign that sony is done with consoles, This deal only makes sense if they intend to become a multiplatform publisher with an Atlus style developer under their wing. They aren't going to fight Microsoft, its all about how to make maximum profit at this point.

 

[Dolomite]

Yeah, they are. Destiny is a much bigger IP than potentially anything in the Zenimax deal

 

[ethomaz]

PR spins with ambiguous words is how they do that.

What Jim and Bungie said apply to both PS5+PC+XBOX or PS5+PC or whatever others option in the middle.

We will just know what Bungie will choose when they announce the new IPs.

The door is basically open to whatever conclusion.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I read it. It’s PR BS. Just like Phil did with Bethesda and is now doing with A/B. Keep drinking the kool-aid bud.

I don’t think it is PR BS

To be big in GaaS you have to be open on as many platforms as possible

The Bethesda back talk from Phil was totally disingenuous and slimey, but I feel like Bungie and Sony are extremely transparent here

Their games, present and future, are coming to Xbox

 

[lastmessiah]

This seems like the first obvious sign that sony is done with consoles, This deal only makes sense if they intend to become a multiplatform publisher with an Atlus style developer under their wing. They aren't going to fight Microsoft, its all about how to make maximum profit at this point.

Yeah, exactly. Good luck trying to discuss this reasonably on GAF though.

 

[Swift_Star]

I don’t think it is PR BS

To be big in GaaS you have to be open on as many platforms as possible

The Bethesda back talk from Phil was totally disingenuous and slimey, but I feel like Bungie and Sony are extremely transparent here

Their games, present and future, are coming to Xbox

So will future CoDs release on ps5 after, say, 2025?

 

[Thirty7ven]

I posted the Destiny 2 population numbers with several sources yesterday and people tried to deny it.

Now Tom Warrior posts it and become truth lol
He not even posted where he got the numbers lol

BTW when the new season releases that numbers go up to over 2 million daily… in slow times like yesterday it is really low like 750k per day.

Probably very few games in the market have bigger population than Destiny 2 plus the active base keep paying $70-80 per year.

Destiny is a big IP now and the sky is the limit for the future, both in games and movies/tv/anime. Even the name is on the money.

Bungie’s next IP will be another one.

 

[ManaByte]

So will future CoDs release on ps5 after, say, 2025?

Warzone will.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Sony bought 100% of Bungie. If some Bungie boss isn't happy with some Sony decision he will be able to leave Sony and Bungie, but Sony will keep both Bungie and the Bungie IPs because they bought them.

"So you don't like our idea?"OK, goodbye!"

 

[ethomaz]

I don’t think it is PR BS

To be big in GaaS you have to be open on as many platforms as possible

The Bethesda back talk from Phil was totally disingenuous and slimey, but I feel like Bungie and Sony are extremely transparent here

Their games, present and future, are coming to Xbox

They left it open.
Things change over time… even that independence will change in a smooth way over the time.

The biggest risk in a new company purchase is to see talent employees left because they didn’t agree with the changes.

What you do to smooth and make the transaction easier? Makes the new company independent while slowly add their new culture to reach a point there is no difference between them and the merge happens naturally.

When Sony announced the restructure in the future the own Bungie will fell it was the natural step.

I’m working in a company that was bought by Accenture around 6 months ago… we are independent (we have our own customers, projects, RH, board, etc) yet and slowing merging with Accenture.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So will future CoDs release on ps5 after, say, 2025?

No idea

Phil has been intentionally vague and Bethesda ended up being exclusive despite earlier statements that may suggest otherwise

There’s nothing vague about Sony and Bungie’s announcements

 

[ManaByte]

even that independence will change in a smooth way over the time.

Bungie bailed from two previous companies to keep their independence. If Sony tries to assimilate them into PlayStation Studios and kill their independence, then you'll see all the senior leadership and key devs jump ship to form a new studio leaving Sony with a shell that's Bungie in name only.

 

[Helghan]

Yes, MS as a corporation always had way more money but in gaming never have been able to outsell Sony in any generation. Sony always outperformed them, and will continue being the same.

Sure, but does that matter when Microsoft is using their complete war chest for gaming? It's not like they are only using what the Xbox division is generating.

 

[Negotiator101]

I read it. It’s PR BS. Just like Phil did with Bethesda and is now doing with A/B. Keep drinking the kool-aid bud.

It's different because Bungie are saying it not Jim Ryan. I don't care either way, I think Sony could have done so much more with the money but that's their business.

 

[ethomaz]

Bungie bailed from two previous companies to keep their independence. If Sony tries to assimilate them into PlayStation Studios and kill their independence, then you'll see all the senior leadership and key devs jump ship to form a new studio leaving Sony with a shell that's Bungie in name only.

Sony is know to left the creative and decision independent even assimilated to PlayStation Studios.

That doesn’t mean they won’t be merged thought the time.

Naughty Dogs, PD, etc are as independent as Bungie.

That is not the independence I’m talking about.

Bungie employees will become part of Sony’s employees… the Bungie’s board will be decreased or even instinct… RH sector will be limited because they will work together with Sony’s RH and so on.

Key leadership and devs jump ship all the time… the Bungie today is not the same of the past… most key leadership and devs left.

That is basically what happen in a organic and synergic acquisition.

 

[PlaystationFan5349]

Sony owning bungie will be true but people are getting a tad carried away with the "they can do whatever.

If they have a contract with terms on it and then violate those agreements they would open themselves to a lawsuit.

I have no idea what terms if any were laid out but sony will be following them if they exist... such as a certain level of autonomy or control. Again if it even exists.

What are you talking about? They can do whatever with what? The only franchise they have is destiny. Sony paid 3.6 billion for Destiny. If there was any doubt Jim Ryan was a stupid moron here we have confirmation.

Who cares about Destiny? What was Sony trying to do? Some people will jump in this comment and say that Destiny generates money. So did Sony buy destiny because they wanted all that money or did Sony buy Destiny because they wanted to attract more players to its ecosystem? It’s clearly the former witch is obviously a stupid move that doesn’t benefit the PlayStation ecosystem in the slightest.

Do you really think someone is gonna say, “oh I wanted an Xbox but not that Sony has Destiny I need a PlayStation”? 3.6 billion for nothing.

Seriously, Destiny is not even a great game, it’s just another mmo that lives on like Apex.

Time to sell our PS5s and go buy Xboxs guys.

 

[tommib]

Bungie bailed from two previous companies to keep their independence. If Sony tries to assimilate them into PlayStation Studios and kill their independence, then you'll see all the senior leadership and key devs jump ship to form a new studio leaving Sony with a shell that's Bungie in name only.

 

[xion4360]

It really doesn't matter how clear or not the executives are on this...people will go with the narrative they want to hear.

 

[Swift_Star]

What are you talking about? They can do whatever with what? The only franchise they have is destiny. Sony paid 3.6 billion for Destiny. If there was any doubt Jim Ryan was a stupid moron here we have confirmation.

Who cares about Destiny? What was Sony trying to do? Some people will jump in this comment and say that Destiny generates money. So did Sony buy destiny because they wanted all that money or did Sony buy Destiny because they wanted to attract more players to its ecosystem? It’s clearly the former witch is obviously a stupid move that doesn’t benefit the PlayStation ecosystem in the slightest.

Do you really think someone is gonna say, “oh I wanted an Xbox but not that Sony has Destiny I need a PlayStation”? 3.6 billion for nothing.

Seriously, Destiny is not even a great game, it’s just another mmo that lives on like Apex.

Time to sell our PS5s and go buy Xboxs guys.

Some of you are way too transparent.

 

[Negotiator101]

What are you talking about? They can do whatever with what? The only franchise they have is destiny. Sony paid 3.6 billion for Destiny. If there was any doubt Jim Ryan was a stupid moron here we have confirmation.

Who cares about Destiny? What was Sony trying to do? Some people will jump in this comment and say that Destiny generates money. So did Sony buy destiny because they wanted all that money or did Sony buy Destiny because they wanted to attract more players to its ecosystem? It’s clearly the former witch is obviously a stupid move that doesn’t benefit the PlayStation ecosystem in the slightest.

Do you really think someone is gonna say, “oh I wanted an Xbox but not that Sony has Destiny I need a PlayStation”? 3.6 billion for nothing.

Seriously, Destiny is not even a great game, it’s just another mmo that lives on like Apex.

Time to sell our PS5s and go buy Xboxs guys.

While I'm not saying sell PS5 buy Xbox, I do agree it's a terrible deal on Sony's part and an incredible one for Bungie. Jason Jones and Co must be laughing themselves into a coma

 

[PlaystationFan5349]

Sony is know to left the creative and decision independent even assimilated to PlayStation Studios.

That doesn’t mean they won’t be merged thought the time.

Naughty Dogs, PD, etc are as independent as Bungie.

That is not the independence I’m talking about.

Bungie employees will be come part of Sony’s employees… the Bungie’s board will be decreased or even instinct… RH sector will be limited because they will work together with Sony’s RH and so on.

Key leases and devs jump ship all the time… the Bungie today is not the same of the past… most key leadership and devs left.

That is basically what happen in a organic and synergic acquisition.

Exactly. That’s why I’m saying Sony paid 3.6 billion for Destiny, not Bungie. Bungie is just a name, a bad one if you are honest. They haven’t released a single hit since like more than 10 years ago. Anyone that had any value quit a long time ago.

Even if there’s people with talent they can’t make them work for Sony, they could quit any day they want. So what did Sony buy? Surely Bungie has some great franchises right? Lmao. 3.6 billion for a game that people don’t care about.

 

[phil_t98]

Well according to jimbo its also to help sony make other MP games.
I dont think it was reactionary to Microsoft, it was to fill holes in sonys portfolio, sony have never had hit online shooters so aquiring bungie may fill that void. Did jimbo know about acti-blizz aquisition? I think it would be naive to think that he didnt, im sure jimbo + co talked to Kotick a few times. So this Bungie aquisition would have had multiple motivations, the acti-blizz ms aquisition would of been more a re- affirmation, then the main motivator imo.

its almost as if Activison is the only publisher that microsoft have bought, the reaction could be to the other bug publisher they bought.

Sony needed to do something and this seems a strange deal as its not an exclusive deal but could be good they helping with multiplayer games but aren’t we told constantly by the playstation player base they only enjoy single player experiences?

 

[Three]

How is Sony getting the money if bungie has the optional publishing rights first if they want to ?

From my understanding when the game is published by a company / studio, it’s them that fund the project and benefit from the income.

Bungie are owned by Sony. Sony get the money. I don't understand what's so confusing about this for people.

 

[NickFire]

Well Bungie and Ryan have been pretty clear on what the plan is, people are trying to make it fit what they want it to be though.

Yup. And they are completely ignoring the very real possibility that Sony has seen the cash from PC, and seen the cash from MLB the Show on Xbox, and might want to make as much money as they can with confidence in their brand sufficiently to creep outside their closed eco-system. Frankly, all three console players might be thinking the exact same thing as they all must be feeling pretty solid in terms of brand loyalty. All three are so well established that even Google took a giant leap back on their efforts when they dropped first party support.

 

[fart town usa]

Well Bungie and Ryan have been pretty clear on what the plan is, people are trying to make it fit what they want it to be though.

It's weird that some people are so adamant that Bungie will only be Sony and PC. If Sony can potentially make good profits with having Bungie games on XBOX, then so be it. Especially if they're GAAS. Sony wants to make money. I really don't see what is so controversial if Bungie games remain as they are but Sony owns them and makes more money from it.

I feel like that's the ideal situation with this type of acquisition.

 

[PlaystationFan5349]

While I'm not saying sell PS5 buy Xbox, I do agree it's a terrible deal on Sony's part and an incredible one for Bungie. Jason Jones and Co must be laughing themselves into a coma

I am saying it. We were waiting for Jim Ryan’s move and this is what he came up with? I just can’t think how they came up to this conclusion. What where they thinking? I can’t believe they paid 3.6 billion for Destiny.

Please, someone enlighten me. Why would this be consider a good acquisition? What does Sony gains from buying Bungie? Especially since Sony already had timed exclusive releases with Destiny’s DLC

 

[lastmessiah]

I am saying it. We were waiting for Jim Ryan’s move and this is what he came up with? I just can’t think how they came up to this conclusion. What where they thinking? I can’t believe they paid 3.6 billion for Destiny.

Please, someone enlighten me. Why would this be consider a good acquisition? What does Sony gains from buying Bungie? Especially since Sony already had timed exclusive releases with Destiny’s DLC

It's because they are preparing to become a third party publisher.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's weird that some people are so adamant that Bungie will only be Sony and PC. If Sony can potentially make good profits with having Bungie games on XBOX, then so be it. Especially if they're GAAS. Sony wants to make money. I really don't see what is so controversial if Bungie games remain as they are but Sony owns them and makes more money from it.

I feel like that's the ideal situation with this type of acquisition.

Bingo

The deal is all about capturing one of the most lucrative market segments, GaaS, from a top studio in this area with over two decades of proven history making high quality titles

Sony cares more about money, not exclusivity

And luckily they can now pursue GaaS without distracting many of their other studios so they can largely focus on single player content

Best of both worlds

 

[Negotiator101]

I do think people need to realise that Bungie were looking to be acquired because they're not doing as well as some believe. They went independent, then sold out to Activision, then independent again and now they've been acquired again by Sony but apparently they want to operate independently?

This studio has come up short at every turn since leaving Microsoft, and Sony have paid way over the odds for a floundering company.

 

[PlaystationFan5349]

It's weird that some people are so adamant that Bungie will only be Sony and PC. If Sony can potentially make good profits with having Bungie games on XBOX, then so be it. Especially if they're GAAS. Sony wants to make money. I really don't see what is so controversial if Bungie games remain as they are but Sony owns them and makes more money from it.

I feel like that's the ideal situation with this type of acquisition.

So you agree that this move doesn’t benefit the PlayStation ecosystem in the slightest and it’s just for the money? Sony practically said they don’t care about PlayStation. Time to buy an Xbox, Microsoft is willing to spend 75 billion to get more people in their ecosystem.

 

[PlaystationFan5349]

I do think people need to realise that Bungie were looking to be acquired because they're not doing as well as some believe. They went independent, then sold out to Activision, then independent again and now they've been acquired again by Sony but apparently they want to operate independently?

This studio has come up short at every turn since leaving Microsoft, and Sony have paid way over the odds for a floundering company.

Yeah. I’m guessing they are gonna release their new gamepass like service and they’re gonna relaunch Destiny exclusively for that service as a way to attract players?

Otherwise I don’t get it. The only other option is Sony is going third party and they will release all of their games for every platform.

 

[fart town usa]

I am saying it. We were waiting for Jim Ryan’s move and this is what he came up with? I just can’t think how they came up to this conclusion. What where they thinking? I can’t believe they paid 3.6 billion for Destiny.

Please, someone enlighten me. Why would this be consider a good acquisition? What does Sony gains from buying Bungie? Especially since Sony already had timed exclusive releases with Destiny’s DLC

Hot take from me is that Sony will just make more money from Destiny's GAAS approach. I'm sure Sony is looking at that aspect more than, "Let's buy Bungie so they'll be exclusive to our console..." I don't know what the #s are for Destiny and XBOX but arbitrarily cutting out a potentially large segment of the games userbase in order to make fanboys happy is dumb. This doesn't need to be compared to MS acquisitions because we don't know what Sony's motivations are at this point. I'm also assuming that Sony thinks Bungie's experience and talent will be a huge asset to Sony's internal studios.

 

[Three]

Well Bungie and Ryan have been pretty clear on what the plan is, people are trying to make it fit what they want it to be though.

So has Phil about CoD but that didn’t stop your denial here

By this logic why doesn't Sony publish God of War, Horizon, and GT7 on the Xbox? I'm sure they want Xbox fans' money as much if not more than PC and PS5 owners. They don't because you don't publish your biggest games on your competitor's consoles. That's why Bethesda and Activision games are going to be exclusive.

 

[yurinka]

"So you don't like our idea?"OK, goodbye!"

Yes, that person can resign and leave Bungie and Sony whenever he wants. Sony will keep Bungie and their IPs because SIE bought the 100%.

 

[fart town usa]

So you agree that this move doesn’t benefit the PlayStation ecosystem in the slightest and it’s just for the money? Sony practically said they don’t care about PlayStation. Time to buy an Xbox, Microsoft is willing to spend 75 billion to get more people in their ecosystem.

Then move to XBOX if you're this upset over Sony spending their own money, lol. Get a grip dude.

It benefits the PS brand because Bungie is talented and Sony will have access to their knowledge, assets and profits. More profits mean more money for R&D, development, etc. Based on what you're saying, you just want Sony exclusivity. Why? Destiny uses a GAAS approach. So if Sony makes it exclusive to PS console, that's going to automatically cause people to start spending money each week on Destiny? It won't.

 

[Slicker than your average]

Great more studioes possibly going exclusive. Why do fan boys cheers this shit on

 

[Dick Jones]

The possibilities of Bungie not being shackled by Activision’s constant need for monetization merged with support from Sony’s studios and long term thinking really makes me believe Bungie will transform into an even bigger powerhouse in GaaS

10 years from now it’s very possible they are at the very top of the development food chain with multiple huge IP that service millions of users daily

Bungie were very opposed to Bobby K increasing their staff sexual harassment quota and that's why they left Activision, not monetization

 

[NickFire]

Then move to XBOX if you're this upset over Sony spending their own money, lol. Get a grip dude.

It benefits the PS brand because Bungie is talented and Sony will have access to their knowledge, assets and profits. More profits mean more money for R&D, development, etc. Based on what you're saying, you just want Sony exclusivity. Why? Destiny uses a GAAS approach. So if Sony makes it exclusive to PS console, that's going to automatically cause people to start spending money each week on Destiny? It won't.

Does he though? I would definitely ask for receipts before believing that.

 

[fart town usa]

Does he though? I would definitely ask for receipts before believing that.

That's what he implied in the post I replied to. He said he might as well move to XBOX because their acquisitions are exclusive deals and MS is doing that to bring people into their ecosystem.

I just don't see any logic in getting upset that Bungie games may remain available on all platforms, Destiny is a GAAS with recurring revenue streams. It's not a single player game that usually only makes money off the initial purchase. If Destiny grows its userbase, Sony will just profit from it and use that to invest in other areas of PlayStation.

 

[DJ12]

Could be the start of Sony realising that there is little money on hardware and software being on everything is the real revenue driver, just like on PC.
The end game is inevitable.

LOL, Sony make plenty from console sales and the PS services.

I guess this hot take is based on Microsoft not making any money from console sales?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

That's what he implied in the post I replied to. He said he might as well move to XBOX because their acquisitions are exclusive deals and MS is doing that to bring people into their ecosystem.

I just don't see any logic in getting upset that Bungie games may remain available on all platforms, Destiny is a GAAS with recurring revenue streams. It's not a single player game that usually only makes money off the initial purchase. If Destiny grows its userbase, Sony will just profit from it and use that to invest in other areas of PlayStation.

Don't worry he's already moved to Xbox

He only picked that name to help him get away with his shitposts