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[GhostOfTsu]

We will see who keeps them. We will see if Sony like MS is able to decry exclusivity deals while making them (Tomb Raider) or stating games reaching everyone as biggest value in the land and taking those known multiplatform games away from one of the currently supported platforms .

Are you serious? Cast your mind back to the 32/64 bit days, if it was up for grabs Sony threw money at every dev and publisher with their hands out for exclusivity. When Sony arrived on the scene they started the ball rolling with this shit.

Lets not kid ourselves that Sony is the good guy and MS the bad guy, they'll both fuck us over for every last penny given the chance.

MS did the same with Tomb Raider + Dead Rising series, Bioshock, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Tales of Vesperia, COD and GTA DLC + more. They never get mentioned for some reason, only Tomb Raider.

Know your history!

 

[Leyasu]

I guess.

Its odd to ever say this, I don't really even know what Sony would gain tbh, they've never stated this when buying some team, like ever. To be so specific as to say the next game and the whole Destiny series....it sounds like they are not just talking about Destiny 2 and to say it like "series" sounds like they plan to continue it, but they also have that new IP.

Destiny 3 and new IP to be on many systems simply doesn't sound like a 1 off thing, it sounds like that is what Sony wants and is ok with for this whole GAAS thing. Look, if this was done any other way I wouldn't say this, but I need to go off of the facts and historically how Sony as a publisher has communicated this stuff.

So this isn't to say 1 generation from now they won't do some new PS exclusive or something, its simply to state that Destiny and that next IP they are making will be on many platforms and they stated rivals as to imply MS.

That doesn't sound like that new IP is skipping XB even remotely, if we are all wrong though, I'd love to know what the plan was and why they stated it this way.

I'll eat crow too if I'm wrong lol

I know that I sound crazy. Lol

It’s an easy pr win for Jim and does seem like an attempt to swing opinions in their favour for when Microsoft starts talking about their I.Ps going forward.

It is also an easy thing to say when Bungies next game is probably 4-5yrs away. The landscape will have changed beyond recognition by the time it drops, so it will be easy to say “oh well, things have changed, thus it will only be available on ps and pc”

We are in the middle of the “content wars” and both of them are trying to secure as much as they can. The only way I see either of them releasing their games on the others platform is if either one of them has a pc storefront that is going toe-to-toe with steam. Without an outright acquisition of said storefront, then that is way off.

Listen, I will find the crow cookbook, and tell you all how I want mine served if and when the day comes lol

 

[ChiefDada]

I just can’t see how Sony doesn’t influence Bungies decisions. This whole deal is crazy.

I agree, the deal is weird. To the point where I'll be shocked if the deal isn't front loaded with equity. Giving 3.6b cash under these circumstances is psychotic. I'm dying to know more details.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Real free 2 play is rare. I played Warframe for about 100 hours and never spent a dime. It was fun, but the grind for a new suit was ofcourse rather tedious and then you have to wait literal days for development. They do try to push you towards paying. Now, Warframe was one of those games not completely blunt about it, but paying up does make the progress smoother.

Destiny I bailed out before it was F2P but I figure its an MTX ridden mess right now. I paid for those first 2 expansions of D1, thought they were terribly overpriced already (since they were absolutely trash). Furthermore, that emote and skins shopkeeper came around at some point. Yeah Destiny 2 is F2P but want to keep up? well... Thing is Destiny has always been an F2P game at heart, even when it was sold the grind was woeful and there were timers on events.

 

[Banjo64]

MS did the same with Tomb Raider + Dead Rising series, Bioshock, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Tales of Vesperia, COD and GTA DLC + more. They never get mentioned for some reason, only Tomb Raider.

Know your history!

It’s almost as if both companies do the same practices and both come out with the same spin and PR.

Both have used timed exclusivity, both have money-hatted DLC, both have bought studios, both have fucked up with ‘get a second job’ and the Xbox One, both will raise prices where they can and charge for online. They’re literally 2 sides of the same coin. You can bet your arse if Sony can complete on a multiplat publisher for $4-8b they will.

It’s just business at the end of the day, and all we can pray is that they both stay in business as if one of them leaves the industry the consumer will get screwed massively.

 

[SJRB]

 

[phil_t98]

So I guess it will be timed exclusives on PlayStation then? Just seems an odd deal. Great gaming company bungie but still not being exclusive is odd.

maybe the deal was made to just make headlines to try and grab some of the momentum that’s been heading towards Xbox recently

 

[Y0ssarian]

Would Rivet approve of this news?

 

[yurinka]

this basically Cements that if a game doesn’t come to Xbox it is supposedly Bungies decision because they are their own publisher still.

takes the heat from Sony but I just can’t see how Sony doesn’t influence Bungies decisions. This whole deal is crazy.

sony just basically funded Bungie 3.6 billion but I guess as long as they don’t let them go free they can sell them onto whoever is interested next time and at least make some money back?

Sony didn't 'fund' them, Sony (SIE specifically) bought the 100% of Bungie.

So they will keep Destiny 2 and their future games multiplatform (including Xbox) because Sony allows them to do so. Jimbo is their boss now, so if somewhere in the future he changes his mind and decides to make their games exclusive Bungie will do so.

SIE now will have two publishers: Bungie (who will remain multiplatform) and PS Studios. But both inside SIE, under Jimbo's control. Bungie is now another Sony team more. Bungie can't decide to go away or to sell their IPs. Sony allows them to have some freedom but Sony owns Bungie and all their assets and Jimbo is free to change all Bungie plans and to do whatever he wants with Bungie, their employees and their IPs if he ever decides to do so.

PlayStation: Bungie deal is about multiplatform, live-service games

PlayStation's acquisition of Bungie may not result in exclusive PS5 games, but it will allow the platform holder to sig…

www.gamesindustry.biz

Yes, what it's said there fits 100% with what is written there. SIE bought the 100% of the shares of Bungie and now SIE is the only one who owns and controls Bungie and all their assets, and Jimbo is their new boss. Jimbo decided to allow them to continue being a multiplatform publisher inside SIE.

And if somewhere in the future Jimbo changes his mind and decides to change his plans regarding Bungie or Bungie's IPs he will do whatever he wants with them, because SIE now owns 100% of Bungie.

 

[Hitchyhero]

As someone who's only gaming on xbox (atm)... I'm relived Sony got Bungie and no one else. If their games stay multiplat on PS/Pc I don't feel any big loss.

Their next accuisition I might. I do like most capcom games. SquareEnix games are hit and miss imo, but I do like the tomb raider franchise.

From Software games are popular mostly on Sony consoles anyway. So no big loss there.

 

[marcincz]

Sony bought Insomniac for 250 mln. MS Bethesda for 9 bln and Sony Bungie for 3,6 bln? Bungie for 3,6?! For real?
I thought Bethesda was expensive, but it was bargain.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sony didn't 'fund' them, Sony (SIE specifically) bought the 100% of Bungie.

So they will keep Destiny 2 and their future games multiplatform (including Xbox) because Sony allows them to do so. Jimbo is their boss now, so if somewhere in the future he changes his mind and decides to make their games exclusive Bungie will do so.

SIE now will have two publishers: Bungie (who will remain multiplatform) and PS Studios. But both inside SIE, under Jimbo's control. Bungie is now another Sony team more. Bungie can't decide to go away or to sell their IPs. Sony allows them to have some freedom but Sony owns Bungie and all their assets and Jimbo is free to change all Bungie plans and to do whatever he wants with Bungie, their employees and their IPs if he ever decides to do so.


Yes, what it's said there fits 100% with what is written there. SIE bought the 100% of the shares of Bungie and now SIE is the only one who owns and controls Bungie and all their assets, and Jimbo is their new boss. Jimbo decided to allow them to continue being a multiplatform publisher inside SIE.

And if somewhere in the future Jimbo changes his mind and decides to change his plans regarding Bungie or Bungie's IPs he will do whatever he wants with them, because SIE now owns 100% of Bungie.

You can not say this without seeing the contracts. It coukd literally be written into their purchase decision that bungie has full creative control and decisions on platform and content.

Bungie seem quite adamant on getting those statements out to the public.

Yes, you are 100% right that Sony owns them but we do not know what the actual contracts stipulate.

Bungie seem to have played a blinder here.

 

[Sosokrates]

Or it heading multiple directions. Maybe service for some normal for their top tier single players or something like that

It's going to be interesting to see how it pans out. Jimbo said they want to find new aways to expand the PlayStation ecosystem and bring new players into the PlayStation ecosystem, so I suppose Bungie and there games could be used like bait, trying to lure people into playstation.

 

[Sosokrates]

Sony bought Insomniac for 250 mln. MS Bethesda for 9 bln and Sony Bungie for 3,6 bln? Bungie for 3,6?! For real?
I thought Bethesda was expensive, but it was bargain.

Ms aquired Zenimax for $7.5 billion.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I know that I sound crazy. Lol

It’s an easy pr win for Jim and does seem like an attempt to swing opinions in their favour for when Microsoft starts talking about their I.Ps going forward.

It is also an easy thing to say when Bungies next game is probably 4-5yrs away. The landscape will have changed beyond recognition by the time it drops, so it will be easy to say “oh well, things have changed, thus it will only be available on ps and pc”

We are in the middle of the “content wars” and both of them are trying to secure as much as they can. The only way I see either of them releasing their games on the others platform is if either one of them has a pc storefront that is going toe-to-toe with steam. Without an outright acquisition of said storefront, then that is way off.

Listen, I will find the crow cookbook, and tell you all how I want mine served if and when the day comes lol

In a way or the other we all eat or should eat crow daily, I am not sure why PETA and the WWF have not started a campaign against NeoGAF for endangering the species . You are a great sport, kudos .

 

[Leyasu]

Sony gave Bungie 3.6bn to have their logo on their splash screen and their games on their revamped subscription service only…..

A steal lol

 

[StreetsofBeige]

MS did the same with Tomb Raider + Dead Rising series, Bioshock, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Tales of Vesperia, COD and GTA DLC + more. They never get mentioned for some reason, only Tomb Raider.

Know your history!

And Sony did that with Tomb Raider during the PS1 days. But it went beyond timed exclusives. It was entire game exclusivity on console. After Tomb Raider 1 came out on PS and Saturn, Sony locked in all sequels for PS1 until the deal was over in 2000.

Know your history!

Tomb Raider - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first entry in the series Tomb Raider was released in 1996 for personal computers (PC), PlayStation and Sega Saturn consoles.[8][9] The Saturn and PlayStation versions were released in Japan in 1997.[10][11] Its sequel, Tomb Raider II, launched in 1997, again for Microsoft Windows and PlayStation. A month before release, Eidos finalised a deal with Sony Computer Entertainment to keep the console version of Tomb Raider II and future games exclusive to PlayStation until the year 2000.[8][9] The PlayStation version was released in Japan in 1998.[12] Tomb Raider III launched in 1998.[9] As with Tomb Raider II, the PlayStation version released in Japan the following year.[13] The fourth consecutive title in the series, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, released in 1999. In 2000, with the end of the PlayStation exclusivity deal, the game also released on the Dreamcast.[8][14] In Japan, both console versions released the following year.[15][16] Tomb Raider Chronicles released in 2000 on the same platforms as The Last Revelation, with the PlayStation version's Japanese release as before coming the following year.[8][14][17]

 

[Panajev2001a]

And Sony did that with Tomb Raider during the PS1 days. But it went beyond timed exclusives. It was entire game exclusivity on console. After Tomb Raider 1 came out on PS and Saturn, Sony locked in all sequels for PS1 until the deal was over in 2000.

Know your history!

Tomb Raider - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first entry in the series Tomb Raider was released in 1996 for personal computers (PC), PlayStation and Sega Saturn consoles.[8][9] The Saturn and PlayStation versions were released in Japan in 1997.[10][11] Its sequel, Tomb Raider II, launched in 1997, again for Microsoft Windows and PlayStation. A month before release, Eidos finalised a deal with Sony Computer Entertainment to keep the console version of Tomb Raider II and future games exclusive to PlayStation until the year 2000.[8][9] The PlayStation version was released in Japan in 1998.[12] Tomb Raider III launched in 1998.[9] As with Tomb Raider II, the PlayStation version released in Japan the following year.[13] The fourth consecutive title in the series, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, released in 1999. In 2000, with the end of the PlayStation exclusivity deal, the game also released on the Dreamcast.[8][14] In Japan, both console versions released the following year.[15][16] Tomb Raider Chronicles released in 2000 on the same platforms as The Last Revelation, with the PlayStation version's Japanese release as before coming the following year.[8][14][17]

Show me Sony going on a good guy campaign decrying the practice at the same time .

 

[Leyasu]

In a way or the other we all eat or should eat crow daily, I am not sure why PETA and the WWF have not started a campaign against NeoGAF for endangering the species . You are a great sport, kudos .

Lol I might start a crow farm especially for forumites. Could be profitable. Might even be worth acquiring one day too!!

 

[Craig of War]

Sony bought Insomniac for 250 mln. MS Bethesda for 9 bln and Sony Bungie for 3,6 bln? Bungie for 3,6?! For real?
I thought Bethesda was expensive, but it was bargain.

Bungie is technically a Publisher also not just a Developer it said they will be self publishing games on multiplatform so technically Sony bought a Publisher in Bungie & also Bungie owns Destiny which is a huge IP wile Insomniac did not own anything of worthy when Sony bought them it is all about the IP that drive up the price

 

[Sosokrates]

So I guess it will be timed exclusives on PlayStation then? Just seems an odd deal. Great gaming company bungie but still not being exclusive is odd.

maybe the deal was made to just make headlines to try and grab some of the momentum that’s been heading towards Xbox recently

Well according to jimbo its also to help sony make other MP games.
I dont think it was reactionary to Microsoft, it was to fill holes in sonys portfolio, sony have never had hit online shooters so aquiring bungie may fill that void. Did jimbo know about acti-blizz aquisition? I think it would be naive to think that he didnt, im sure jimbo + co talked to Kotick a few times. So this Bungie aquisition would have had multiple motivations, the acti-blizz ms aquisition would of been more a re- affirmation, then the main motivator imo.

 

[Banjo64]

Show me Sony going on a good guy campaign decrying the practice at the same time .

Sony have always used PR to twist the narrative, same as MS. They went on a good guy campaign with their used games stance.

Not sure why you’re engaging in the warring, unless you think Sony are your friend rather than a megacorp that would do and say anything to milk your balls dry?

 

[Shubh_C63]

BRILLIANT get.

You never underestimate Bungie.
But I am surprised as TENCENT was funding their new MMO Matter, I really thought they were sleeping with them instead.

Destiny is also available on GamePass though, not for long.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Lol I might start a crow farm especially for forumites. Could be profitable. Might even be worth acquiring one day too!!

I am in… how about we setup wildlife friendly digital NFT crows ?

 

[yurinka]

You can not say this without seeing the contracts. It coukd literally be written into their purchase decision that bungie has full creative control and decisions on platform and content.

The press release says SIE bought 100% of the shares of Bungie. Sony is well known for offering creative freedom to their teams.

And Jimbo said in the past that they want to reach the billions of players that are outside PlayStation. In the interview they published today at GamesIndustry.biz he says that with this move they are going multiplatform and are pretty clear that Bungie will continue publishing on the other consoles.

You never underestimate Bungie.
But I am surprised as TENCENT was funding their new MMO Matter, I really thought they were sleeping with them instead.

Destiny is also available on GamePass though, not for long.

The press release says Sony bought 100% of Bungie's shares. So if Tencent had Bungie shares, they sold them to Sony. Or maybe Tencent was only an investor for that game and didn't buy shares.

Yep, with the acquisition they said that current and future Bungie games will continue as multiplatform and will be released on rival consoles. But didn't say anything about game subscriptions. Maybe Sony allows them to have their games on Xbox but not in Gamepass.

Well according to jimbo its also to help sony make other MP games.
I dont think it was reactionary to Microsoft, it was to fill holes in sonys portfolio, sony have never had hit online shooters so aquiring bungie may fill that void. Did jimbo know about acti-blizz aquisition? I think it would be naive to think that he didnt, im sure jimbo + co talked to Kotick a few times. So this Bungie aquisition would have had multiple motivations, the acti-blizz ms aquisition would of been more a re- affirmation, then the main motivator imo.

According to Jimbo they have been working on this acquisition half a year, while according to WSJ MS first approached ABK to acquire them this December. So if both things are true, the Bungie acquisition wasn't a reaction to the ABK acquisition. Maybe the ABK acquisition was even a response to this and who knows if the multiple future acquisitions that Jimbo said that Sony has coming after this one.

 

[Yoboman]

Sony bought Insomniac for 250 mln. MS Bethesda for 9 bln and Sony Bungie for 3,6 bln? Bungie for 3,6?! For real?
I thought Bethesda was expensive, but it was bargain.

Bethesda has a lot of IPs but hadn't had a major hit in years and definitely didn't have a live service money cow like Destiny to their name

 

[Panajev2001a]

Sony have always used PR to twist the narrative, same as MS. They went on a good guy campaign with their used games stance.

… meanwhile they were blocking them or did something going in the opposite direction? Nope, that is a difference.

Not sure why you’re engaging in the warring, unless you think Sony are your friend rather than a megacorp that would do and say anything to milk your balls dry?

I am pointing out differences, not saying they are my friend but your stance of “they are all the same and equally bad” is also less than productive. Pointing out some instances of shitty takes is not warring, but fill your boots I guess.

 

[Riky]

Could be the start of Sony realising that there is little money on hardware and software being on everything is the real revenue driver, just like on PC.
The end game is inevitable.

 

[Banjo64]

… meanwhile they were blocking them or did something going in the opposite direction? Nope, that is a difference.


I am pointing out differences, not saying they are my friend but your stance of “they are all the same and equally bad” is also less than productive. Pointing out some instances of shitty takes is not warring, but fill your boots I guess.

Engaging in a discussion of ‘MS did this but Sony did this’ is warring - they are all the same and equally bad, publicly traded companies with an obligation to make as much profit as possible. You thinking it makes a difference if Phil Spencer whispers sweet little things in to your ear is just sad.

 

[Negotiator101]

Sony didn't 'fund' them, Sony (SIE specifically) bought the 100% of Bungie.

So they will keep Destiny 2 and their future games multiplatform (including Xbox) because Sony allows them to do so. Jimbo is their boss now, so if somewhere in the future he changes his mind and decides to make their games exclusive Bungie will do so.

SIE now will have two publishers: Bungie (who will remain multiplatform) and PS Studios. But both inside SIE, under Jimbo's control. Bungie is now another Sony team more. Bungie can't decide to go away or to sell their IPs. Sony allows them to have some freedom but Sony owns Bungie and all their assets and Jimbo is free to change all Bungie plans and to do whatever he wants with Bungie, their employees and their IPs if he ever decides to do so.


Yes, what it's said there fits 100% with what is written there. SIE bought the 100% of the shares of Bungie and now SIE is the only one who owns and controls Bungie and all their assets, and Jimbo is their new boss. Jimbo decided to allow them to continue being a multiplatform publisher inside SIE.

And if somewhere in the future Jimbo changes his mind and decides to change his plans regarding Bungie or Bungie's IPs he will do whatever he wants with them, because SIE now owns 100% of Bungie.

Jimbo?

 

[Leyasu]

I am in… how about we setup wildlife friendly digital NFT crows ?

Lol brilliant

In all honesty, I could see Sony getting a support studio in to continue working on destiny 2 content, whilst bungie transition fully to developing their next game.

I have had my reservations about bungie since halo reach dropped. But all in all, I think that this is a great get for Sony. They could also use their expertise to help other studios under their umbrella with live service games/mp etc.

If I am not mistaken, bungie are already a large studio?

 

[Leyasu]

Could be the start of Sony realising that there is little money on hardware and software being on everything is the real revenue driver, just like on PC.
The end game is inevitable.

The end game is only realisable when you have a pc storefront that can match steam though. I don’t think anyone will give up their hardware yet until they have that luxury. Plus would any board agree to handing over 30% of all revenue? I don’t see it

Even then, I still think that the traditional console will always have a place in gaming. There will always be a market for them. In a world where fibre optic internet is not the norm and even with it latency still exists, the experience will never be good enough to replace native gaming.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I thought it was a rumor. Well, there goes your shooter counter attack.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You have been awfully quite lately. Its time to listen to your sister.

Time to give Destiny another chance.

 

[Rudius]

These recent acquisitions seam like wasted money. They should buy Konami or Atari and revive old IPs.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

These recent acquisitions seam like wasted money. They should buy Konami or Atari and revive old IPs.

For that money, yes. But maybe they're next in-line?

 

[Orta]

MS did the same with Tomb Raider + Dead Rising series, Bioshock, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Tales of Vesperia, COD and GTA DLC + more. They never get mentioned for some reason, only Tomb Raider.

Know your history!

I do know my history

Tomb Raider? The game synonymous with Playstation in the 90's? TR2 was cancelled mid-development on the Saturn when Sony arranged exclusivity for its console. Same for Soul Reaver 2, Dreamcast development cancelled. GTA3 & Vice City? Final Fantasy? 32bit Resident Evil? Psygnosis games? I'm sure Namco were handsomely rewarded for the early Tekken and Ridge Racer games too.

I'm certainly not defending MS, as I said, both are as bad as the other given the opportunity. It's probably a good thing Nintendo doesn't enter the fray, with them it would be 100% console only exclusivity.

 

[Bernkastel]

Not sure why you’re engaging in the warring, unless you think Sony are your friend rather than a megacorp that would do and say anything to milk your balls dry?

He is always warring. He even told me I was baiting just for calling out Rivet Jr. He just cleverly hides it behind "trillion dollar corporation", wink emoji or in this case "pointing out differences". "Oh you know you are a console warrior for even trying to deny my thesis about how one console manufacturer is good and other is bad, they can't be the same okay".

I am pointing out differences, not saying they are my friend but your stance of “they are all the same and equally bad” is also less than productive. Pointing out some instances of shitty takes is not warring, but fill your boots I guess.

We will see who keeps them. We will see if Sony like MS is able to decry exclusivity deals while making them (Tomb Raider) or stating games reaching everyone as biggest value in the land and taking those known multiplatform games away from one of the currently supported platforms .

The only reason this guy tries to pretend he is not warring(lets be honest only people who will agree to this are people who were warring on that next gen spec thread, which does not help your case unless you enjoy being validated by that kind of company) is so that he can call out anyone who does not agree with his "they are not the same, one more bad" a console warrior.

Show me Sony going on a good guy campaign decrying the practice at the same time .

All the heads of console manufacturers have always been on a good guy campaign(was more pronounced for Phil being compared with his predecessor). Its only warriors like you who turn it into "but one guy is on a campaign, he is just lying to you 'wink emoji'".

 

[Shubh_C63]

Sony bought Insomniac for 250 mln. MS Bethesda for 9 bln and Sony Bungie for 3,6 bln? Bungie for 3,6?! For real?
I thought Bethesda was expensive, but it was bargain.

People are underestimating how good Bungie is in making games and sucking their userbase dry. I bet they're on top on the list of fans that like and hate them at the same time.

Destiny still remains in Top10 active games on Steam, and fills Sony casual FPS genre perfectly.

 

[Three]

The rest of your post was pointless, because this is the crux, and you're just repeating yourself. And as best as we can tell, Bungie retain ownership of their IP. When they leave Sony, their IPs will go with them.

Zenimax, ActiBlizz are a subsidiary of MS. Bungie is a subsidiary of Sony. Marvel is a subsidiary of Disney. All the IPs belong to the subsidiary for each one of these but the subsidiary is owned by the parent company. They can and will sway whatever they like.

Some Marvel films exclusive to Disney+, yes. Some Zenimax games exclusive to xbox, sure why not. Some Bungie game exclusive to PS, don't see why not.

I also like the fact that you have "when they leave sony" rather than if they leave.

MS want to keep CoD on PS, Sony want to keep Destiny on Xbox. People are just creating imaginary obstacles for one and not the other.

 

[Three]

Sony have always used PR to twist the narrative, same as MS. They went on a good guy campaign with their used games stance.

Not sure why you’re engaging in the warring, unless you think Sony are your friend rather than a megacorp that would do and say anything to milk your balls dry?

Because they were actually the good guy there. I think you've missed the point. They didn't do one thing and say the other.

 

[Banjo64]

Because they were actually the good guy there. I think you've missed the point. They didn't do one thing and say the other.

They used that good PR to mask the new mandatory £50 yearly online fee they introduced. Gee, thanks Sony.

 

[3liteDragon]

I will say it again and again until their next I.p is announced and confirmed. After destiny 2, Bungies games will be PlayStation and pc only. If they don’t, then I will gladly eat crow.

 

[Three]

They used that good PR to mask the new mandatory £50 yearly online fee they introduced. Gee, thanks Sony.

That's ridiculous and you know it. They just didn't get much backlash because you have MS to thank for £50 yearly online fees. So people just thought "£50 yearly fee and no used games" on xbox or "£50 yearly fee and used games allowed" on PS. Yeah difficult choice.

 

[NahaNago]

While I always thought that bungie would be a good get for Sony in a dream scenario but I never thought it would cost them nearly 4 billion dollars and they would be multiplat. Like this deal makes no sense to me. One company/studio with one ip that isn't this super hit that has everyone hyped to talk about all the time just isn't worth the nearly 4 billion they paid. I was thinking it would have cost them around a billion and a half since they are bungie and destiny 2 is from what I understand a good game, plus they employ 900 people so that made sense. This just seems like Sony got played and overpaid. They could have easily built several AAA shooter studios at that price and created more IPs that way.

It's so weird how the acquisiton news went from hey cool to why.

 

[pasterpl]

So Sony paid 14x bungie revenue, while ms paid 8-9x ActBliz revenue. Seems like someone overpaid.

 

[Leyasu]

And? Let’s wait until their new game launches first.

Unless of course everyone thinks that Sony paid all that money to have their name on the splash screen

 

[GhostOfTsu]

It’s almost as if both companies do the same practices and both come out with the same spin and PR.

Both have used timed exclusivity, both have money-hatted DLC, both have bought studios, both have fucked up with ‘get a second job’ and the Xbox One, both will raise prices where they can and charge for online. They’re literally 2 sides of the same coin. You can bet your arse if Sony can complete on a multiplat publisher for $4-8b they will.

Yes they both do it but only Sony is demonized with FF, COD and the supposed "Jimbo Moneyhat World Tour" for Starfield and Ghostwire. Phil is the savior.

What MS did during the 360 days is completely erased from history and yet it was with much bigger franchises and publishers. They always rush to bring up irrelevant stuff like Psygnosis in 1993 and Tomb Raider on Sega Saturn tho (like StreetsofBeige and Orta just did, they all parrot each other).

Why bother going that far back? MS did those same deals all 360 gen. Playstation was basically bankrupt in those years.

Now they're fighting for whole publishers. I want to go back to timed-exclusives

 

[Banjo64]

Yes they both do it but only Sony is demonized with FF, COD and the supposed "Jimbo Moneyhat World Tour" for Starfield and Ghostwire. Phil is the savior.

What MS did during the 360 days is completely erased from history and yet it was with much bigger franchises and publishers. They always rush to bring up irrelevant stuff like Psygnosis in 1993 and Tomb Raider on Sega Saturn tho (like StreetsofBeige just did, they all parrot each other).

Why bother going that far back? MS did those same deals all 360 gen. Playstation was basically bankrupt in those years.

Now they're fighting for whole publishers. I want to go back to timed-exclusives

I’ll have to disagree with you there, I’ve never seen such outrage as the Xbox Tomb Raider deal - to the point where Xbox had to clarify the duration of the deal - something that I’ve never seen since.

 

[Panajev2001a]

He is always warring. He even told me I was baiting just for calling out Rivet Jr. He just cleverly hides it behind "trillion dollar corporation", wink emoji or in this case "pointing out differences". "Oh you know you are a console warrior for even trying to deny my thesis about how one console manufacturer is good and other is bad, they can't be the same okay".

No, I just do not like generic whitewashing when convenient. Do not think it is a crime nor a clever ploy.

The only reason this guy tries to pretend he is not warring(lets be honest only people who will agree to this are people who were warring on that next gen spec thread, which does not help your case unless you enjoy being validated by that kind of company) is so that he can call out anyone who does not agree with his "they are not the same, one more bad" a console warrior.

Again generic labelling (and putting words in others’ mouths which I am not sure you would enjoy) and calling out to say that someone arguing a point is unfairly calling others out. You are free to disagree and argue that they are exactly the same, but you can also bother to entertain what others say and argue your points.

All the heads of console manufacturers have always been on a good guy campaign(was more pronounced for Phil being compared with his predecessor). Its only warriors like you who turn it into "but one guy is on a campaign, he is just lying to you 'wink emoji'".

Label people and ignore any nuance in arguments, this is war by definition. Or in some cases pretending to ignore or not see it. I have to say that arguing the differences is now this master plan to avoid the warring label as this were not a discussion forum where people do argue and should not just make blanket statements without giving reasons for them.

Not sure why you are circling the wagons over this. All companies are on charm offensives, all companies spread bs, the argument covered was clear “talking about removing barriers to gamers accessing games while isolating multiplatform titles to GamePass” + “talking about exclusivity deals being bad for the industry while signing them up and being very unclear about details (see issues around TR exclusivity)”.
Now you can keep ignoring this and just call it warring, but you are the one drawing sides and circling the wagons, not me… fine, but own it.

Both companies can do nasty and/or stupid self serving shit, but this whitewashing at any criticism is as good as when it was used to defend the online DRM (SonyToo). You see something shitty Sony does? Argue it, I am sure you are not going to take “MS Too” whitewashing responses seriously / if you acknowledge them.

You want to take an issue with something Sony says and does, go ahead… unless we misquote things (such as the believe in generations quote) for the sake of arguments, we may disagree but respectfully. Well, on my part at least perhaps given your post there.